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Could you provide a link to the Q&A? I can´t seem to find it on the bioware pulse

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What I want to know if the reapers in some way are maybe related to the civilization of AI that downloaded there whole race into a AI ship , that was in Cerberus news some time ago before it stop updating, I would have to look up the date but there description sounds so close to the Reapers

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Mykel54 wrote...

Could you provide a link to the Q&A? I can´t seem to find it on the bioware pulse


http://masseffect.bi...game/biowaretv/
The 2nd vid from the left.

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Wasn't the unique killing blow for Adepts something like a Psionic blade?
Am I just misremembering or is it a figment of my imagination?

Modifié par NitrAce, 19 août 2011 - 10:10 .


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NitrAce wrote...

Wasn't the unique killing blow for Adepts something like a Psionic blade?
Am I just misremembering or is it a figment of my imagination?


Some would like the "psionic blade" as a melee move for the vanguard, we have the "biotic punch/palm" for adepts ^^

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BlueDemonX wrote...

NitrAce wrote...

Wasn't the unique killing blow for Adepts something like a Psionic blade?
Am I just misremembering or is it a figment of my imagination?


Some would like the "psionic blade" as a melee move for the vanguard, we have the "biotic punch/palm" for adepts ^^


Idk you guys, but "biotic palm strike" sounds awesome to me. Reminds of martial arts techniques.

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Then that is a step backwards.  Per target XP was abandoned by pen-and-paper RPGs over the last decade for a good reason.  XP should be awarded per mission (which is a separate issue from whether you should actually have a Mission Complete screen).

I hope this is the only time BioWare listened to the whining grognards.


If my D&D games awarded Xp per mission we'd end up going up 1 level every 6 months! I don't know about version 4 but 3.5 D&D is still very much Xp per creature and I wouldn't have it any other way :o


1. Originally (in 1.0), 6 months was fairly standard time for going up a level.  Most campaigns retired at 12th or so. Once you hit 9th, it was common to take over a year to level.

2. You don't award per creature in modern D&D.  You award per encounter.  That is the point.  

Awarding per creature makes optimal play a matter of killing everything.  It de-emphasizes alternate means of play, such as stealth, that do not engage every creature.  It penalizes role playing.  That is why the old systems of XP per creature are being phased out.

The most granularity that ME3 should do is just that: per encounter.  You get all of the experience once combat mode ends (and not before), and you get exactly the same no matter how you defeated/evaded them.


There's a difference between gaining Xp per encounter and gaining it per mission (I take mission in D&D terms to mean an entire adventure module). You're right, though, looking back at my old classic D&D Cyclopedia, Xp did start off as being awarded per adventure which would have been pretty slow. Still managed to get to 36th level in the end though :P

Even 0e had the concept of awarding Xp for non-combat challenges. 3rd edition awards per creature but you can get the Xp for defeating the obstacle that the creature represents, you don't need to actually kill it (e.g. just trick it into leaving its guard spot and sneak past and you, theoretically, should earn Xp for it);.

Still, that's all really beside the point. The issue between ME1 and ME2 is, to my mind, more a question of when you award the Xp rather than what you have to do to get it. I much prefer to get Xp as i go rather than at the end. It's always exciting to go up a level and I don't see any benefit in having to wait until you're back on the Normandy to do so. 

They moved that way a bit with LotSB as you actually get to level up in between sections of that DLC.

Regards

Julian

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roflchoppaz wrote...

Kirrahe confirmed for ME3, awesome.


Also Kelly and more drinking at bars :D

Plus, theoretically it was confirmed that they would be addressing our concerns about an EDI and Joker romance although I'm not sure if he was joking :huh:

Modifié par Thrombin, 20 août 2011 - 12:01 .


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Thrombin wrote...

Walker White wrote...

Thrombin wrote...

Walker White wrote...
Then that is a step backwards.  Per target XP was abandoned by pen-and-paper RPGs over the last decade for a good reason.  XP should be awarded per mission (which is a separate issue from whether you should actually have a Mission Complete screen).

I hope this is the only time BioWare listened to the whining grognards.


If my D&D games awarded Xp per mission we'd end up going up 1 level every 6 months! I don't know about version 4 but 3.5 D&D is still very much Xp per creature and I wouldn't have it any other way :o


1. Originally (in 1.0), 6 months was fairly standard time for going up a level.  Most campaigns retired at 12th or so. Once you hit 9th, it was common to take over a year to level.

2. You don't award per creature in modern D&D.  You award per encounter.  That is the point.  

Awarding per creature makes optimal play a matter of killing everything.  It de-emphasizes alternate means of play, such as stealth, that do not engage every creature.  It penalizes role playing.  That is why the old systems of XP per creature are being phased out.

The most granularity that ME3 should do is just that: per encounter.  You get all of the experience once combat mode ends (and not before), and you get exactly the same no matter how you defeated/evaded them.


There's a difference between gaining Xp per encounter and gaining it per mission (I take mission in D&D terms to mean an entire adventure module). You're right, though, looking back at my old classic D&D Cyclopedia, Xp did start off as being awarded per adventure which would have been pretty slow. Still managed to get to 36th level in the end though :P

Even 0e had the concept of awarding Xp for non-combat challenges. 3rd edition awards per creature but you can get the Xp for defeating the obstacle that the creature represents, you don't need to actually kill it (e.g. just trick it into leaving its guard spot and sneak past and you, theoretically, should earn Xp for it);.

Still, that's all really beside the point. The issue between ME1 and ME2 is, to my mind, more a question of when you award the Xp rather than what you have to do to get it. I much prefer to get Xp as i go rather than at the end. It's always exciting to go up a level and I don't see any benefit in having to wait until you're back on the Normandy to do so. 

They moved that way a bit with LotSB as you actually get to level up in between sections of that DLC.

Regards

Julian




I agree with you , to me its more exciting to get the xp for task and defeating enemies it  gives more meaning and challege, more replay value also, one reason I liked ME1 style of XP, on Mako missions I would exit the Mako to engage the enemy for more XP plus it was challeging, get ting Xp at the end of a mission cheapens the playablity, and means no matter what you do your going to get the same amount of XP the only way you change that is by doing N7 missions (in ME2)

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Thrombin wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...

Kirrahe confirmed for ME3, awesome.


Also Kelly and more drinking at bars :D



Did they Really Confirm Kelly is Retuning?

I havn't had a chance to watch todays Q&A.

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Revan654 wrote...

Thrombin wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...

Kirrahe confirmed for ME3, awesome.


Also Kelly and more drinking at bars :D



Did they Really Confirm Kelly is Retuning?

I havn't had a chance to watch todays Q&A.


Yep. 

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jasonsantanna wrote...
I agree with you , to me its more exciting to get the xp for task and defeating enemies it  gives more meaning and challege, more replay value also, one reason I liked ME1 style of XP, on Mako missions I would exit the Mako to engage the enemy for more XP plus it was challeging, get ting Xp at the end of a mission cheapens the playablity, and means no matter what you do your going to get the same amount of XP the only way you change that is by doing N7 missions (in ME2)

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getting out of the Mako for XP bonuses was always something i disliked about mass effect. i dont like grinding like that, id rather be rewarded for completeing a task instead of farming XP from random encounters

grinding XP is so cliche, just another old gameplay mechanic that was invented to extend the game without adding any real content. players have to focus on killing repetitive, faceless bad guys instead of playing the game and enjoying the story.

i dont feel like that mind numbing mechanic belongs in mass effect games anymore, bioware has the right idea

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didymos1120 wrote...

Revan654 wrote...

Thrombin wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...

Kirrahe confirmed for ME3, awesome.


Also Kelly and more drinking at bars :D



Did they Really Confirm Kelly is Retuning?

I havn't had a chance to watch todays Q&A.


Yep. 


Thanks for the info. Hopefully we can continue the Romance with her, If we started a Romantic Relationship with her in Mass Effect 2.

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I'm butchering this, but ... "You can ally w/ Cerberus. Die in the game and quit playing. There you go." LOL

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JamieCOTC wrote...

I'm butchering this, but ... "You can ally w/ Cerberus. Die in the game and quit playing. There you go." LOL


That's very close, actually.

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Some things from Gamescom's Q&A: http://www.giantbomb...2011/35-510677/

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Nevermind.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 20 août 2011 - 10:48 .


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There was footage of the engineer in action but I never noticed a combat drone/turret being deployed. is BW still being hush hush about the details of that skill?

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Revan654 wrote...

Thanks for the info. Hopefully we can continue the Romance with her, If we started a Romantic Relationship with her in Mass Effect 2.


I got the impression that Kelly was just a "bit on the side" as she only danced for you if you stayed faithful to your original romance (as evidenced by the photo of the ME1 LI being displayed on your desk).

It will be interesting to see if it counts as a romance as a couple of my Shepards might have some explaining to do, in that case  :D

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Thrombin wrote...

Revan654 wrote...

Thanks for the info. Hopefully we can continue the Romance with her, If we started a Romantic Relationship with her in Mass Effect 2.


I got the impression that Kelly was just a "bit on the side" as she only danced for you if you stayed faithful to your original romance (as evidenced by the photo of the ME1 LI being displayed on your desk).

It will be interesting to see if it counts as a romance as a couple of my Shepards might have some explaining to do, in that case  :D


All my Sheps stayed loyal to their ME1 romances but ALL of them had a... "recreational encounter"... with Kelly following the SM.

:innocent:

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I'm hoping they get more environment interaction. I mean, why do mercs feel the need to surround themselves with explosive containers? You should be able to shoot down hanging lights and stuff to crush people, or throw a crate at someone if your throw is strong enough. I know destructible environments have been ruled out as too costly, but little things like that would be nice.

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i hope we can level up during missions though, i hated waiting to finish a mission and then level up. also still hoping for some sort of biotic based weapon...

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HaggardPunk wrote...

i hope we can level up during missions though, i hated waiting to finish a mission and then level up. also still hoping for some sort of biotic based weapon...


Biotics by defintion are a thing only organics can do, though weapons can mimic the effects (e.g., the Blackstorm).

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so biotics get protoss blades and falcawn pawnch now.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 21 août 2011 - 08:23 .


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I just hope the PC version doesn't require the disc in drive while firing the game up, it's one of the most useless and outdated copy-protection schemes ever...

Oh and Kahje as one of the visitable planets, we've heard so much about it, and I'm rather curious...

Modifié par Cornughon, 21 août 2011 - 09:15 .