Cornughon wrote...
It would be neat if the next Mass Effect game after part three will be made by Obsidian, which will be an RPG like KOTOR (II), and the same amount of depth as one of the best RPG's ever: Planescape: Torment... but not as much bugs as other Obsidian/Black Isle titles please!
DarthSliver wrote...
Cornughon wrote...
It would be neat if the next Mass Effect game after part three will be made by Obsidian, which will be an RPG like KOTOR (II), and the same amount of depth as one of the best RPG's ever: Planescape: Torment... but not as much bugs as other Obsidian/Black Isle titles please!
Its common knowledge that KOTOR 2 wasnt a finished product when it was released, so no to Obsidian. Id like to play a finished game.
Zekkykins wrote...
DarthSliver wrote...
Cornughon wrote...
It would be neat if the next Mass Effect game after part three will be made by Obsidian, which will be an RPG like KOTOR (II), and the same amount of depth as one of the best RPG's ever: Planescape: Torment... but not as much bugs as other Obsidian/Black Isle titles please!
Its common knowledge that KOTOR 2 wasnt a finished product when it was released, so no to Obsidian. Id like to play a finished game.
It's also common knowledge that KotOR 2 was only unfinished because LucasArts forced it out the door for a holiday release and refused to allow Obsidian to release the cut content in patches.
It's also even more common knowledge that KotOR 2 was infinitely greater than the original due to its views on morality and lack of black-and-white choices, but is typically disliked simply due to the whole "DURR IT WAS RUSHED" bull.
So, should Obsidian get their hands on ME, it'd probably be even better, as long as EA doesn't rush 'em.
Modifié par 100k, 01 septembre 2011 - 11:24 .
The only thing they need to do is hire Chris Avellone as the main writer.100k wrote...
Zekkykins wrote...
DarthSliver wrote...
Cornughon wrote...
It would be neat if the next Mass Effect game after part three will be made by Obsidian, which will be an RPG like KOTOR (II), and the same amount of depth as one of the best RPG's ever: Planescape: Torment... but not as much bugs as other Obsidian/Black Isle titles please!
Its common knowledge that KOTOR 2 wasnt a finished product when it was released, so no to Obsidian. Id like to play a finished game.
It's also common knowledge that KotOR 2 was only unfinished because LucasArts forced it out the door for a holiday release and refused to allow Obsidian to release the cut content in patches.
It's also even more common knowledge that KotOR 2 was infinitely greater than the original due to its views on morality and lack of black-and-white choices, but is typically disliked simply due to the whole "DURR IT WAS RUSHED" bull.
So, should Obsidian get their hands on ME, it'd probably be even better, as long as EA doesn't rush 'em.
Well...yes and no. KOTOR II's writing and characters are incredible -- even better than KOTOR's. The story is about on par-- which is to say "superb", and the romances, music, and script are sharper than a surgeons knives. The looks into the moral grey of the force was utterly refreshing and captivating-- and Kriea made this game her b!tch with utterly stellar dialogue.
However, KOTOR I still had better visuals, slightly better music, better RPG systems, and maddeningly better level designs -- especially the intro levels.
And it should also be noted that both KOTOR I and II were so successful, acclaimed, and revered, that George Lucas took an interest in gaming for the first time. In a time when Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast, Republican Commando, and KOTOR were not only some of the biggest name titles in gaming, but the best titles in gaming -- (and praised more than his prequel films), he couldn't have picked a better time to take an interest...and we couldn't have picked a worse person to start overseeing the projects.
Lucas disliked that KOTOR and KOTOR II delved into the moral greys of the force -- which he felt were subjects too hard for kids. He also didn't like the violence in Republican Commando, and if I'm correct, the violence in JKJO. In Lucas's own words, Star Wars was and is meant for children. So KOTOR III was never made (ignoring TOR). JK JO had only one new game. Jedi Academy, before dying as well. Republican Commando died -- and I for one think it would be awesome to play as Republican Spec Ops following Order 66 --, and the games dissolved into mediocrity.
Seriously you guys, you have to see the people working for Lucas Arts now. It's pretty clear that few of them actually know what they're doing there. I remember watching an old TFU developer diary a few years ago, and Lucas was meeting the team making the game. The director of the project basically had his team recite Lets kick butt with the force! for Lucas -- and everyone on the team looked so embarrased.
And even though Lucas Arts as basically come out and said that they recognized their recent failures at making good games, I just don't see how they can convince a man to make SW more mature when this man edits his classic movies to be as kid friendly as possible. Seriously Lucas! Replacing the police mens guns with Walkie Talkies in ET? Making Han's head to this absurd dodge when Greedo shoots him? Just get it into your fvcking head! PEOPLE AREN'T ******!
The only way we're getting good SW projects back is if Lucas dies in the next couple years -- not that I wish death upon anyone.
MarchWaltz wrote...
Isn't the force unleashed, like dark? I saw my friend *SPOILERS* kill chewbaca by making han solo kill him. It was a DLC, but I am sure the main game is as dark.
100k wrote...
*snip'
Modifié par Chewin3, 02 septembre 2011 - 07:05 .
100k wrote...
MarchWaltz wrote...
Isn't the force unleashed, like dark? I saw my friend *SPOILERS* kill chewbaca by making han solo kill him. It was a DLC, but I am sure the main game is as dark.
TFU doesn't allow for moral greys. You're either good or evil. Just as Lucas intended for his 11 year old audiences.
Words can't describe how badly I want to just punch some sense into his retardedly unconcerned face.
100k wrote...
Seriously Lucas! Replacing the police mens guns with Walkie Talkies in ET?
Modifié par didymos1120, 02 septembre 2011 - 08:19 .
R3MUS wrote...
The latest screenshot with that yellow Geth made me think that we will maybe be inside another Reaper. The environment in that screenshot looks like the inside of a Reaper.
Wait just a minute here! You're telling me George Lucas thought that Republican Commando was too violent?100k wrote...
Zekkykins wrote...
DarthSliver wrote...
Cornughon wrote...
It would be neat if the next Mass Effect game after part three will be made by Obsidian, which will be an RPG like KOTOR (II), and the same amount of depth as one of the best RPG's ever: Planescape: Torment... but not as much bugs as other Obsidian/Black Isle titles please!
Its common knowledge that KOTOR 2 wasnt a finished product when it was released, so no to Obsidian. Id like to play a finished game.
It's also common knowledge that KotOR 2 was only unfinished because LucasArts forced it out the door for a holiday release and refused to allow Obsidian to release the cut content in patches.
It's also even more common knowledge that KotOR 2 was infinitely greater than the original due to its views on morality and lack of black-and-white choices, but is typically disliked simply due to the whole "DURR IT WAS RUSHED" bull.
So, should Obsidian get their hands on ME, it'd probably be even better, as long as EA doesn't rush 'em.
Well...yes and no. KOTOR II's writing and characters are incredible -- even better than KOTOR's. The story is about on par-- which is to say "superb", and the romances, music, and script are sharper than a surgeons knives. The looks into the moral grey of the force was utterly refreshing and captivating-- and Kriea made this game her b!tch with utterly stellar dialogue.
However, KOTOR I still had better visuals, slightly better music, better RPG systems, and maddeningly better level designs -- especially the intro levels.
And it should also be noted that both KOTOR I and II were so successful, acclaimed, and revered, that George Lucas took an interest in gaming for the first time. In a time when Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast, Republican Commando, and KOTOR were not only some of the biggest name titles in gaming, but the best titles in gaming -- (and praised more than his prequel films), he couldn't have picked a better time to take an interest...and we couldn't have picked a worse person to start overseeing the projects.
Lucas disliked that KOTOR and KOTOR II delved into the moral greys of the force -- which he felt were subjects too hard for kids. He also didn't like the violence in Republican Commando, and if I'm correct, the violence in JKJO. In Lucas's own words, Star Wars was and is meant for children. So KOTOR III was never made (ignoring TOR). JK JO had only one new game. Jedi Academy, before dying as well. Republican Commando died -- and I for one think it would be awesome to play as Republican Spec Ops following Order 66 --, and the games dissolved into mediocrity.
Seriously you guys, you have to see the people working for Lucas Arts now. It's pretty clear that few of them actually know what they're doing there. I remember watching an old TFU developer diary a few years ago, and Lucas was meeting the team making the game. The director of the project basically had his team recite Lets kick butt with the force! for Lucas -- and everyone on the team looked so embarrased.
And even though Lucas Arts as basically come out and said that they recognized their recent failures at making good games, I just don't see how they can convince a man to make SW more mature when this man edits his classic movies to be as kid friendly as possible. Seriously Lucas! Replacing the police mens guns with Walkie Talkies in ET? Making Han's head to this absurd dodge when Greedo shoots him? Just get it into your fvcking head! PEOPLE AREN'T ******!
The only way we're getting good SW projects back is if Lucas dies in the next couple years -- not that I wish death upon anyone.
100k wrote...
Seriously Lucas! Replacing the police mens guns with Walkie Talkies in ET?
Anihilus wrote...
I'm sorry... Star Wars meant for children? That is NOT what i thought when watching the original trilogy! I liked the KOTOR games and their delving into the moral gray areas of the Force. I also enjoyed Republic Commando! It was a fusion of Star Wars, with a hint of Halo. Next thing we know, in the next Star Wars game, the weapons won't kill they'll just stun someone or knock em unconscious... I am worried about TOR now
Modifié par Biotic Sage, 02 septembre 2011 - 05:47 .
jasonsantanna wrote...
Biotic Sage wrote...
Anihilus wrote...
I'm sorry... Star Wars meant for children? That is NOT what i thought when watching the original trilogy! I liked the KOTOR games and their delving into the moral gray areas of the Force. I also enjoyed Republic Commando! It was a fusion of Star Wars, with a hint of Halo. Next thing we know, in the next Star Wars game, the weapons won't kill they'll just stun someone or knock em unconscious... I am worried about TOR now
Just nod your head and say, "Yes George, of course. Nevermind the fact that Star Wars has fans of all ages, feel free to dismiss the adult fans by limiting it to 'just for kids.' That's not insulting at all."
This is relevant because Mass Effect doesn't need to go down the path Star Wars did, or the Trail of Tears 2.0 as I like to call it. Mass Effect combines the romanticism of Star Wars and the intelligence of Star Trek, and in my opinion its universe has the potential to become greater than either of them. So Bioware, here is my word of caution to you: be careful with Mass Effect, don't wh-ore it out, because true individuals of creativity, the real auteurs, know that they have a responsibility to the integrity of their work.
You are so right , it has the potential to be just as great or even better, as longs as BW keeps there creative control in the process of the film , plz don't let it go down the trail of so many other video game movies . . . I can only name one to date that's been successful, that being Resident Evil , and it still didn't follow the tone and plots of the game..
If BW can keep the same level of quality of the game into the film it could be a most mind blowing franchise.
I mean by picking the correct cast , writer and director, plz do this one right for the fan boys and girls
Nuff said
Martin the Warrior wrote...
But I don't think that making something that has less sex and violence and/or less of what modernists and postmodernists call "moral gray areas" is necessarily the same thing as "dumbing it down."
Modifié par Biotic Sage, 02 septembre 2011 - 07:57 .
Modifié par MACharlie1, 02 septembre 2011 - 11:02 .
Fata Morgana wrote...
100k wrote...
Seriously Lucas! Replacing the police mens guns with Walkie Talkies in ET?
Er, that was Steven Spielberg that had ET edited, not Lucas.
Oy, kids today.
Modifié par Bad King, 02 septembre 2011 - 11:12 .
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