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[x-Legion-x]

 Just want to get something straight here,
if Shepard is a specter and logically able to
kill and walk away and the council supports
you then why do you have to stand trail for getting
the job done as you see fit?

this makes no sense from what ME1 said and ME2

Modifié par x-Legion-x, 15 juin 2011 - 11:59 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

A SPECTRE is "immune" (mostly) to Council law, an Alliance Marine isn't. Shepard is both.

What I cannot wait to find out is if the trial is at all playable, or if it's just a big old cutscene.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 16 juin 2011 - 12:02 .

[Aimi]

From my perspective, the trial is a PR event to try to slow down the rush to war with the Batarian Hegemony. It's a political/diplomatic ploy, not a legal necessity. After the Second World War, there were no war crimes laws or anything like that - but prominent Germans were still put on trial. (Not that I'm saying Shep is equivalent to Göring or anything, or that the Nürnberg Trials weren't a Good Idea. It's just that legality isn't the only reason to hold a trial.)

Obviously we'll learn more as more information is released, but that's the way Hackett made it seem at the end of Arrival.

[Rivercurse]

Spectres aren't immune. Saren attacked a human colony and was stripped of his title.

[Medhia Nox]

And from my understanding - the trial is a formality to keep the Batarians from declaring war at a time when war would be REALLY bad. Remember - there are months in between Arrival and ME 3. The Batarians could have caused a huge boondoggle in declaring war against humanity - though they technically would have been within their rights.

The trial stalls this - as Hackett explains.

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Also - the trial might be for his actions with Cerberus... a notable terrorist organization (according to the Alliance - and me).

It will likely serve as a questionnaire for Shepard's imported save. (like ME 2 did with Miranda after you wake up)

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Edit: Daqs beat me to most of what I was saying.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 16 juin 2011 - 12:05 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

daqs wrote...

From my perspective, the trial is a PR event to try to slow down the rush to war with the Batarian Hegemony.

Right!  I believe that anytime a police officer shoots someone, there's is an investigation regardless of the circumstances.  That way any questions can be answered in an official manner.  I think Shepard's trial is along those lines...  The Alliance knows Shepard did what needed to be done, they just want to have everything in order and noted up nicely.  At least... that's what I hope is happening.  :-)

[WizenSlinky0]

You must also consider the alternative. You just eliminated 300,000 people.

It's highly possible the Council basically told you, return to Earth and face trial, or we'll declare you a rogue spectre and have you hunted down.

[x-Legion-x]

yea but how does killling 300,000 terrorist have anything to do with earth?

[Medhia Nox]

@X0-Legion-X : Shepard says it's a colony. Not all Batarians are terrorists - contrary to the thinking on these boards (dangerous thinking too, but very telling about how pysches work)

[x-Legion-x]

im still confused

[Dr. rotinaj]

x-Legion-x wrote...

yea but how does killling 300,000 terrorist have anything to do with earth?

Shepard is human.
Humans are from Earth.
Trial on Earth shows that the humans dissaprove of Shepard's actions.
If all humans blame Shepard, all Batarians will too. At least that's what the Alliance hopes.

[MasterofMunchaster]

Rivercurse wrote...

Spectres aren't immune. Saren betrayed the council and was stripped of his title.

Fixed.

[x-Legion-x]

well that works, thanks lol

[TheJiveDJ]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

x-Legion-x wrote...

yea but how does killling 300,000 terrorist have anything to do with earth?

Shepard is human.
Humans are from Earth.
Trial on Earth shows that the humans dissaprove of Shepard's actions.
If all humans blame Shepard, all Batarians will too. At least that's what the Alliance hopes.

Ah if only everyone used common sense!  Yes, the trial is nothing but political maneuvering to make it look like Earth doesn't condone Shep's actions, thereby preventing a war with the Batarians.  Shep is a willing scapoegoat; no more, no less.  Hard to believe people sitll don't understand this.

[x-Legion-x]

but really though who cares about batarians anyway, I wish I could kill them all

[x-Legion-x]

there ugly and always want to "KILL THE HUMAN"

[javierabegazo]

Also, killing a refinery isn't such a big thing, as Saren did it. Shepard destroyed a Mass Effect relay, and condemned 300,000 batarians in a colony to death, such a large attack that would provoke a war with the Terminus Systems

[OdanUrr]

There's certainly some "interference" between the Council and Alliance chain of commands. As I understand it, Shepard ceased to be an Alliance soldier when he was deemed KIA in 2183 after the Collector attack on the Normandy SR-1. Of course, if he was deemed MIA then it's a different story altogether.

It is illogical that a Spectre would still be subjected to their former chain of command. The Council and the Alliance won't always agree on all subjects, and Shepard would be bound to follow orders from both organisations. The moment they disagree you get a conflict of interests where the Council would naturally overrule the Alliance.

e.g.:

"Commander Shepard, the Council believes you did the right thing. Keep up the good work!"

"Commander Shepard, the Alliance believes you committed galactic genocide. You are to be summarily executed, right... now!"

Get the idea? As a Spectre, Shepard MUST put the good of the galaxy BEFORE the interests of the Alliance, or even the Council for that matter. But, hey, I still welcome the opportunity to laugh at the crowds as they try to ridicule me for believing on a "fictional" Reaper invasion!

"Ah, yes, Reapers...

Modifié par OdanUrr, 16 juin 2011 - 07:01 .

[RolandX9]

Short version: the railroading of Arrival's plot leads to entirely legal railroading (the sort that happens IRL) to prevent a war with the batarians. Knowing Bioware, though, a Paragon who's still a Spectre in service to the Council s/he saved and blew off TIM, will have a very different trial from a Renegade who killed Council 1.0, blew off Council 2.0 and handed TIM the most powerful weapon in the galaxy (barring an actual Reaper). That's my hope, anyway.

[CroGamer002]

javierabegazo wrote...

Also, killing a refinery isn't such a big thing, as Saren did it. Shepard destroyed a Mass Effect relay, and condemned 300,000 batarians in a colony to death, such a large attack that would provoke a war with the Terminus Systems

Just Batarian Hegemony, but bad enough.

[Dr. rotinaj]

x-Legion-x wrote...

but really though who cares about batarians anyway, I wish I could kill them all

That's pretty extreme.

As for Earth caring for the Batarians, it makes perfect sense. The Batarians have been begging for an excuse to fight the humans, the only thing stopping the batarians from attacking was the council. If the batarians went ahead and nuked Terra Nova or some other colony, the council races would step in and destroy the batarians. After the destruction of the alpha relay, the batarians have an excuse to attack the humans. What council race would support the humans after they killed 300 000 batarians? This is why Earth is so focused on the batarian opinion, the batarians think they could fight a war against humans when they have no allies.

[eye basher]

yes saren killed people but he didn't blow up a mass relay taking an entire system and everyone that lived in it with it.

[Smeelia]

The bit I'm not sure about is why they'd bring it up at all.  There shouldn't really be any evidence that Shepard or the Alliance had anything to do with the destruction so the Alliance should just deny knowledge (infact, even proving that there was destruction would be difficult, the Relay wont work but they wont see the blast for a while either).  It seems almost impossible that the Batarians could prove the Alliance, Shepard or even Cerberus were involved.  The only people that really know what happened are Shepard's people (and Hackett, although his information comes from your report).  For the Batarians to have any evidence they'd pretty much have to have known about it in advance and done nothing to prevent the incident.  That wouldn't really look good from their side and it's still unlikely they'd have any evidence of Shepard or the Alliance being involved (at best they could say "humans", which wouldn't be enough).

This being the case, even doing it as a show to smooth relations requires that you admit human (and perhaps even Alliance) involvement in the incident and that would be a foolish risk to take.

I expect they'll think of something to justify it (or maybe the trial wont be about arrival and will focus on your work with Cerberus and justifying that in more of an inquiry than a trial) but they'll have to be careful for it to make sense.

Modifié par Smeelia, 16 juin 2011 - 07:29 .