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[pf17456]

From what I understand Samara's 'code' compells her to avenge the innocent. If this is indeed the case then won't she be compelled to kill Shepard after Shepard kills 300k innocent Batarians ?

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

Probably. But then aren't most Batarians supposed to be slavers/pirates? they pretty much base their entire society one exploitation of others. So wouldn't Samara technically be happy? or at least relieved since she doesn't have to deal with quite so many criminals as before?

Of course I don't condone killing innocents such as children and women but there would have been a fair number involved in criminal activity. Besides it was either blow up the Relay and kill 300k civilians and delay the Reapers invasion which could end up saving millions of more lives? or do nothing and let the Reapers waltz in and start their oh so nice and tidy genocide a bit early than normal? hmm what to do. 'sarcasm'.

[BatmanPWNS]

pf17456 wrote...

From what I understand Samara's 'code' compells her to avenge the innocent. If this is indeed the case then won't she be compelled to kill Shepard after Shepard kills 300k innocent Batarians ?

Samara already said that Justicars allow killing if it will help to complete a mission. She even said she is willing to kill people who love her or consider her a role model to get the job done. This includes innocents.

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

Well it was either destroy the relay and deny the Reapers access to the Galaxy for awhile or do nothing and let them walk right in. either way the Colonists would have been destroyed, they were doomed either way and Samara being the pragmatic person she is and knowing that the Reapers are the greater evil would probably forgive Shepard for his or hers actions.

Of course the Batarians won't be so understanding, I'm looking forward to seeing some political and possible military backlash from Arrival in ME 3.

[mauro2222]

She changed the course of human history by destroying "La Armada Invencible Española" Lol!

Modifié par mauro2222, 24 août 2011 - 11:25 .

[Flamewielder]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Any random Justicar would have been compelled to kill Morinth if they came across her, but no Justicar is or was obligated to do so. Samara's already noted on a number of occassions that while Justicars are bound to face the Code-defined injustices they see, they are not obligated to pursue them. Samara also already noted that the Code obligates only temporary cooperation with authorities before the Justicar can do as they deem necessary.

Quite so. We know she didn't bother hunting down Nihlus, so you're absolutely correct in most cases... with the possible exception of dangerous runaway A-Y's. The Codex does mention the existence of "execution lists" of dangerous, runaway A-Y's; said lists are either submitted to the order, or the order puts them together themselves.

Given that the Justicars are apparently sticklers to their Code, the existence of these lists suggests A-Y's are treated differently then normal criminals and are actively hunted (otherwise, why keep a list?).

[Flamewielder]

The Code apparently asks Justicars to protect the innocent first, punish the unjust second.

The bulk of the so-called "300,000 batarians" was actually made up of slave labour of undetermined species (possibly including humans).

It is unclear wether a Justicar would have tried and prevented Shep from blowing the relay, as leaving the relay alone was likely to result in millions of sentients dying within days. Judging from what little we know of ME3, it looks like blowing the relay gained the galaxy months to prepare against the Reapers. Would a Justicar have come to the same conclusion and blown the relay? Perhaps...

[pf17456]

Thanks for the feedback. I was curious about the extent of the rigidity of her code which left me wondering if she would become an adversary in ME3

[Sepewrath]

Raizo wrote...
Having said that I do feel that a character with her sense of justice would not just sit back and watch the Reapers exterminate all life in the Galaxy without wanting to doing something, she already knows about Shepard's mission to stop the Reapers, by all rights she should be one of the very first characters to join him.

Agreed, well for a paragon Shepard, she might not be willing to work with a renegade. You know I always got the idea, that BW's idea was renegades take Morinth and Paragons, Samara. She tells a paragon if they ever need help, she'll come, so I would definitely assume that when the Reapers strike, if Shep came knocking, she would answer the call.

[Sepewrath]

lol that is true, but its also unlikely that anyone will play like that. In fact, when you read around, it seems many just stick to one path religiously. So its not so bad, when you think about it that way; it does expose a weakness in the system, but you could also always look at it, that she sees herself in a Shepard like that. Don't forget, she was going to go on a rampage in that police station in 24hrs, so she could view that one point difference as a Shepard who gets their hands dirty when they need to, but not someone who just wants to be heartless and cruel.

[Flamewielder]

Writers focus on writing interesting stories, without allways pushing character/universe consistency analysis too far; it's an artistic process, not a sociological one. We forumites have the luxury to analyze how a character fits into the universe and game mechanics, down to the nitty-gritty details. It's a generally fun process, and I think a good opportunity to get us thinking about ethics, game design, philosophy, etc... I think it's what make Samara's story appealing.

It's quite a bit different from how the media usually portrays gaming & gamers. Then again, story-telling games are a different breed from puzzles or shooters. Games like DA or ME are much closer to film or theater than they are to, say, Mario Kart or PacMan.

[Golden Owl]

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I don't think she will...Samara is a Justicar, not blind...she would see the necessity in Sheps act.

[whywhywhywhy]

So do the majority of Samara supporters just want her in the game, romanceable or both ?

I would say both myself.

[jamesp81]

pf17456 wrote...

From what I understand Samara's 'code' compells her to avenge the innocent. If this is indeed the case then won't she be compelled to kill Shepard after Shepard kills 300k innocent Batarians ?

Unlikely.  Samara is compelled to save the innocent before killing the wicked.  It's quite likely her code would've demanded she make the exact same decision for several reasons, not least of which is that those 300k batarians were dead no matter what.  Her code would compel her to blow the alpha relay to prevent trillions of deaths.

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@whywhywhywhy

Back in the game, preferably as a single-mission temp squaddie.

1) She's nowhere nearly as popular as crowd favorites like Garrus and Tali, so full-time squaddie is unlikely.
2) Bringing back more than 2 ME2 squaddies full-time would have required a lot of additional dialogue pathways.

A single-mission squaddie can have customized conversations with any of the full-time squaddies as well as Shepard. They can have more environment-related conversations and banter, like Liara in LotSB. I believe having Samara along on a mission in asari space would be interesting.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I cant believe that the support thread of Samara is so small, thats really sad, she was my second favorite character in Mass Effect 2.
Even though it seems that this character is very unpopular among the Mass Effect fans I still hope that BW doesn't dump her and that we'll get to see more of the great Asari Justicar in Mass Effect 3.

[Golden Owl]

yorkj86 wrote...

I dunno if she's unpopular, she's just not popular, or as popular as the other characters, probably because she's not a LI.

It doesn't help that Samara like Thane was a late addition in ME2....I think they have both suffered for that...I like Samara too and want her back in a bigger way in ME3.

[Flamewielder]

Like Thane she's one of the more morally ambiguous characters in ME. People tend to stick to more clearly defined characters... kinda like in pro wrestling: you've got good guys and bad guys. But eh, the smaller the package, the more potent the medicine.

[Xilizhra]

Interesting fact: Samara is the only nonhuman apart from Grunt who's the second of her species to join Shepard's squad. I wonder if that has anything to do with it, people wanting more of Liara instead of Samara?

[S Seraff]

Woldan I agree, she and Mordin were my core team, I like her a lot

[nitefyre410]

The Woldan wrote...

I cant believe that the support thread of Samara is so small, thats really sad, she was my second favorite character in Mass Effect 2.
Even though it seems that this character is very unpopular among the Mass Effect fans I still hope that BW doesn't dump her and that we'll get to see more of the great Asari Justicar in Mass Effect 3.

 


Alot of it has to with the fact  that she is a  incredibly mis-understood character  and she is hamstringed by Mass Effect  Red vs Blue morality system.   Personally  I likeed her  the first time I saw her - she was my first romance choice untill smoothly, calmly and rather gracefully   let my shepard down.   A lot of people took   Monirith mission the wrong way but in very subtly ways you can see she is very broken and just   tired once you start to talk her about what happened.