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[Golden Owl]

Flamewielder wrote...

Like Thane she's one of the more morally ambiguous characters in ME. People tend to stick to more clearly defined characters... kinda like in pro wrestling: you've got good guys and bad guys. But eh, the smaller the package, the more potent the medicine.

Which is a real shame...I find Samara's and Thane's codes and philosophies quite fascinating myself, they make you think...I don't necessarily agree with either of their philosophies, but loved stretching my mind to wrap my head around it and see it from their perspectives....I respect people who do that to me in r/l and love that I found it in a game too.

I love Samara's stateliness and class, her bearing and her whole demeanor...if I'm needing a Biotic, Samara is the one I take....(As a Sniping Infiltrator, the call for Biotics isn't great for my game style)...but she is the one and only Biotic I take when needed, my go to Biotic girl.....  I like her combat comments and her style on the combat field...I respect Samara.

It is a tragedy that Samara must hunt down her own daughter...as a mother myself, I feel very deeply for what she must do....but I can understand why she has chosen to take the task on....She feels responsible for her daughter and her daughters actions and I can understand if she felt that it would need to be by her hand, rather than a stranger with no love for her daughter...what a terrible, horrendous position for Samara...I feel deeply for her.

[nitefyre410]

Golden Owl wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Like Thane she's one of the more morally ambiguous characters in ME. People tend to stick to more clearly defined characters... kinda like in pro wrestling: you've got good guys and bad guys. But eh, the smaller the package, the more potent the medicine.

Which is a real shame...I find Samara's and Thane's codes and philosophies quite fascinating myself, they make you think...I don't necessarily agree with either of their philosophies, but loved stretching my mind to wrap my head around it and see it from their perspectives....I respect people who do that to me in r/l and love that I found it in a game too.

I love Samara's stateliness and class, her bearing and her whole demeanor...if I'm needing a Biotic, Samara is the one I take....(As a Sniping Infiltrator, the call for Biotics isn't great for my game style)...but she is the one and only Biotic I take when needed, my go to Biotic girl.....  I like her combat comments and her style on the combat field...I respect Samara.

It is a tragedy that Samara must hunt down her own daughter...as a mother myself, I feel very deeply for what she must do....but I can understand why she has chosen to take the task on....She feels responsible for her daughter and her daughters actions and I can understand if she felt that it would need to be by her hand, rather than a stranger with no love for her daughter...what a terrible, horrendous position for Samara...I feel deeply for her.

 


And I think that right there is the point  many miss when it comes to the Samara .

[Golden Owl]

Xilizhra wrote...

Interesting fact: Samara is the only nonhuman apart from Grunt who's the second of her species to join Shepard's squad. I wonder if that has anything to do with it, people wanting more of Liara instead of Samara?

I much prefer Samara myself and would rather keep her over Liara...Samara is a proven woman with life experience and class on her side, I find that much more attractive myself.

[Xilizhra]

She feels responsible for her daughter and her daughters actions and I can understand if she felt that it would need to be by her hand, rather than a stranger with no love for her daughter...what a terrible, horrendous position for Samara...I feel deeply for her.

It can't help that Morinth is convinced that Samara hates her.

I much prefer Samara myself and would rather keep her over Liara...Samara is a proven woman with life experience and class on her side, I find that much more attractive myself.

I'd be happy to romance either, but Liara's the only one who's willing.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 30 août 2011 - 12:58 .

[Golden Owl]

nitefyre410 wrote...



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And I think that right there is the point  many miss when it comes to the Samara .

Was really feeling it as I wrote that...straight from the heart....tears still in eyes......Yup, she gets to me like that.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 30 août 2011 - 01:01 .

[S Seraff]

i think thats her appeal too - who Samara was that motivated her to adopt the Code in the first place. this person who saw the big picture - the need to neutralize a very significant threat, and an unwillingness to make it someone else's problem. to me the Code was a tool Samara adopted to giver her strength to do the impossible, a kind of shield for her emotions. Like armor. Now that her job is done, I would like to see Samara resurface, show more of who she used to be, maybe leave the Code behind. so much potential there for her character

Modifié par S Seraff, 30 août 2011 - 01:09 .

[Golden Owl]

Xilizhra wrote...

She feels responsible for her daughter and her daughters actions and I can understand if she felt that it would need to be by her hand, rather than a stranger with no love for her daughter...what a terrible, horrendous position for Samara...I feel deeply for her.

It can't help that Morinth is convinced that Samara hates her.

I much prefer Samara myself and would rather keep her over Liara...Samara is a proven woman with life experience and class on her side, I find that much more attractive myself.

I'd be happy to romance either, but Liara's the only one who's willing.

No, it wouldn't help...but what can be asked of a loved daughter if you must be her death...only deep pain can be expected for both parties.

As for romance...funnily enough I wouldn't romance Samara if she were an option...my manShep greatly respects her and I think it's that same certain brand of respect for her that he has that would prevent him...kind of a 'mentorish' respect, he feels he has a lot to learn from her...hard to explain... he feels a little 'student' like around her...does that make sense? So far my Shep remains a lonely man........banner explains why...

[S Seraff]

and then the wrinkle with children. "Shepard, I can't risk having another ardat yakshi." purely an RPG issue, but an interesting prospect for shep, not having children

[Xilizhra]

No, it wouldn't help...but what can be asked of a loved daughter if you must be her death...only deep pain can be expected for both parties.

I'm just frustrated that there's no way to get both sides of the story on one playthrough. Though I worry Samara may have harmed herself more than the amount of harm she saved Morinth.

As for romance...funnily enough I wouldn't romance Samara if she were an option...my manShep greatly respects her and I think it's that same certain brand of respect for her that he has that would prevent him...kind of a 'mentorish' respect, he feels he has a lot to learn from her...hard to explain... he feels a little 'student' like around her...does that make sense?

It makes sense, but my Shepard didn't quite get that. She respects Samara but doesn't feel like Samara's a mentor, as such; she never tried to make herself one, and in some respects, Shepard and Samara feel highly equal.

[Golden Owl]

S Seraff wrote...

i think thats her appeal too - who Samara was that motivated her to adopt the Code in the first place. this person who saw the big picture - the need to neutralize a very significant threat, and an unwillingness to make it someone else's problem. to me the Code was a tool Samara adopted to giver her strength to do the impossible, a kind of shield for her emotions. Like armor. Now that her job is done, I would like to see Samara resurface, show more of who she used to be, maybe leave the Code behind. so much potential there for her character

Exactly...I think it's the only way she could do what needed to be done.

As for her leaving her Justicar Code behind...I'm hoping not myself...it's so much of who she is now and I would love to delve into it further with her...Shep continuing to sit in rapt attention at her thoughts and words on the code.

[S Seraff]

Golden Owl, I like that idea too It just seems to me that Samara COULD enter this fourth (?) chapter of her life, where she has all of her experiences and wisdom and perspective, and certainly a lot of affection for the Code, but she has grown PAST it. like "The Code is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."
a Post-Modern Samara, who has room in her soul now for other things. Maybe even love - IF shep motivates that change in her

[Golden Owl]

Xilizhra wrote...

No, it wouldn't help...but what can be asked of a loved daughter if you must be her death...only deep pain can be expected for both parties.

I'm just frustrated that there's no way to get both sides of the story on one playthrough. Though I worry Samara may have harmed herself more than the amount of harm she saved Morinth.

As for romance...funnily enough I wouldn't romance Samara if she were an option...my manShep greatly respects her and I think it's that same certain brand of respect for her that he has that would prevent him...kind of a 'mentorish' respect, he feels he has a lot to learn from her...hard to explain... he feels a little 'student' like around her...does that make sense?

It makes sense, but my Shepard didn't quite get that. She respects Samara but doesn't feel like Samara's a mentor, as such; she never tried to make herself one, and in some respects, Shepard and Samara feel highly equal.

I chose Morinth once, for the 'Dominate' power...definitely not my canon play through, was just done to lock the power in....killing Samara really sucked, I didn't like it and felt like a real b*stard...I struggled to finish the game, but took the opportunity to explore Morinth while she was there...yes, Morinth is definitely so filled with anger she claims to feel nothing for her mother...Samara is very much the one who's dialog paints a tortured woman after the event...she did what she had to do though and as mentioned earlier, I understand why Samara made it her burden to hunt Morinth and I some how think it may have been worse for her if she had allowed someone else to do so.

[Golden Owl]

S Seraff wrote...

Golden Owl, I like that idea too It just seems to me that Samara COULD enter this fourth (?) chapter of her life, where she has all of her experiences and wisdom and perspective, and certainly a lot of affection for the Code, but she has grown PAST it. like "The Code is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."
a Post-Modern Samara, who has room in her soul now for other things. Maybe even love - IF shep motivates that change in her

You got me right there.......I concur with absolutism....

[Xilizhra]

I chose Morinth once, for the 'Dominate' power...definitely not my canon play through, was just done to lock the power in....killing Samara really sucked, I didn't like it and felt like a real b*stard...I struggled to finish the game, but took the opportunity to explore Morinth while she was there...yes, Morinth is definitely so filled with anger she claims to feel nothing for her mother...Samara is very much the one who's dialog paints a tortured woman after the event...she did what she had to do though and as mentioned earlier, I understand why Samara made it her burden to hunt Morinth and I some how think it may have been worse for her if she had allowed someone else to do so.

I think it's Samara who ostensibly feels nothing for Morinth in Morinth's mind; she speaks dismissively of Samara, but never actually says what she felt about her. I suspect Morinth was more pained by that than she let on.

[S Seraff]

Golden Owl wrote...

S Seraff wrote...

Golden Owl, I like that idea too It just seems to me that Samara COULD enter this fourth (?) chapter of her life, where she has all of her experiences and wisdom and perspective, and certainly a lot of affection for the Code, but she has grown PAST it. like "The Code is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."
a Post-Modern Samara, who has room in her soul now for other things. Maybe even love - IF shep motivates that change in her

You got me right there.......I concur with absolutism....

 
hard to argue with Spock-ishness

[Golden Owl]

Xilizhra wrote...

I chose Morinth once, for the 'Dominate' power...definitely not my canon play through, was just done to lock the power in....killing Samara really sucked, I didn't like it and felt like a real b*stard...I struggled to finish the game, but took the opportunity to explore Morinth while she was there...yes, Morinth is definitely so filled with anger she claims to feel nothing for her mother...Samara is very much the one who's dialog paints a tortured woman after the event...she did what she had to do though and as mentioned earlier, I understand why Samara made it her burden to hunt Morinth and I some how think it may have been worse for her if she had allowed someone else to do so.

I think it's Samara who ostensibly feels nothing for Morinth in Morinth's mind; she speaks dismissively of Samara, but never actually says what she felt about her. I suspect Morinth was more pained by that than she let on.

Being why I choose the word...."Morinth is definitely so filled with anger she claims to feel nothing for her mother"...I agree with you.

[Golden Owl]

S Seraff wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

S Seraff wrote...

Golden Owl, I like that idea too It just seems to me that Samara COULD enter this fourth (?) chapter of her life, where she has all of her experiences and wisdom and perspective, and certainly a lot of affection for the Code, but she has grown PAST it. like "The Code is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."
a Post-Modern Samara, who has room in her soul now for other things. Maybe even love - IF shep motivates that change in her

You got me right there.......I concur with absolutism....

 
hard to argue with Spock-ishness

LOL.....True again.

[S Seraff]

grin!

[Golden Owl]

Come on people...just a little more push and page 15 is hit....every page counts...

SHOW SAMARA SOME LOVE!!....

Modifié par Golden Owl, 30 août 2011 - 01:47 .

[Kabanya101]

Samara was one of my all time favorite characters in Mass Effect 2. Yes, nothing will ever beat the original team or Liara, but Samara is up there. In ME2, everything and everyone was so played out, but she wasn't. Her character and background had depth.

You look at other characters, either eye candy, or characters made to seem like badasses, when they're not. Garrus can pull it off, but all the other characters couldn't, not even the 12 year old boy look alike, Jack. Yes Samara does show alot, but I don't mind, because she's not completely nude like Jack, and the camera doesn't zoom in on her cameltoe or ass.

But then you meet Samara in the game, and yes at first I was put off by her ruthless attitude, but once I understood the complexity off it, she instantly jumped to the top of favorite character from ME2. She had meaning with her quest to kill her daughter. It wasn't just, "My father left me, I have to find him." She needed peace with herself knowing her daughter wasn't killing anyone.

It was a shame that you couldn't romance her in the game, but rumor has it you can romance her in ME3. But I understand her reasoning for not romancing in ME2. She's gone through hundreds of years of pain, and what would having love with someone to eventually lose them and be lonely again.

And she has the best powers. In ME2, not many of the characters have good powers, but she deos, Reave and Throw are both great.

[S Seraff]

well, her long life and many adventures = loads of opening for plot devices. maybe she's come across Reaper stuff before without knowing what it is? maybe this ardat yakshi power has an application against the reapers? maybe we get to meet her other daughters?? maybe she doesnt want them to leave the convent even though they could be useful???

interesting conflict to me!

[Golden Owl]

Kabanya101 wrote...

Samara was one of my all time favorite characters in Mass Effect 2. Yes, nothing will ever beat the original team or Liara, but Samara is up there. In ME2, everything and everyone was so played out, but she wasn't. Her character and background had depth.

You look at other characters, either eye candy, or characters made to seem like badasses, when they're not. Garrus can pull it off, but all the other characters couldn't, not even the 12 year old boy look alike, Jack. Yes Samara does show alot, but I don't mind, because she's not completely nude like Jack, and the camera doesn't zoom in on her cameltoe or ass.

But then you meet Samara in the game, and yes at first I was put off by her ruthless attitude, but once I understood the complexity off it, she instantly jumped to the top of favorite character from ME2. She had meaning with her quest to kill her daughter. It wasn't just, "My father left me, I have to find him." She needed peace with herself knowing her daughter wasn't killing anyone.

It was a shame that you couldn't romance her in the game, but rumor has it you can romance her in ME3. But I understand her reasoning for not romancing in ME2. She's gone through hundreds of years of pain, and what would having love with someone to eventually lose them and be lonely again.

And she has the best powers. In ME2, not many of the characters have good powers, but she deos, Reave and Throw are both great.

I would be surprised if she isn't a romance option in ME3...BW has already titillated Samara's romance fans with the almost there but not quite...I beieve BW will deliver in ME3.

[Golden Owl]

S Seraff wrote...

well, her long life and many adventures = loads of opening for plot devices. maybe she's come across Reaper stuff before without knowing what it is? maybe this ardat yakshi power has an application against the reapers? maybe we get to meet her other daughters?? maybe she doesnt want them to leave the convent even though they could be useful???

interesting conflict to me!

I believe Samara would be terrified at the thought of her two remaining daughters leaving the convent...how big a cost would she pay or possibly even to the jeapordy of others to keep them there?....That would be the question...How much can a mothers heart bear if they were tempted to the ways of their sister...that a big ask of Samara...But also, by the same note, how safe will her daughters be if they are locked up during the Reaper invasion?....I would like to see these questions brooched myself in ME3.

[Taritu]

Remember the mother whose daughter Morinth killed? Samara did what she had to do. Morinth was a serial killer. If she would ignore that because she was a "mother" Samara would be a monster.

[SpaceinMind]

Samara is one of my favorite characters, I hope she's back for a bit in ME3