Taritu wrote...
Remember the mother whose daughter Morinth killed? Samara did what she had to do. Morinth was a serial killer. If she would ignore that because she was a "mother" Samara would be a monster.
Golden Owl wrote...
Taritu wrote...
Remember the mother whose daughter Morinth killed? Samara did what she had to do. Morinth was a serial killer. If she would ignore that because she was a "mother" Samara would be a monster.
I never liked Shep's line with the mother, "It's alright, we have all lost someone"...he doesn't get it and I cringe...Samara does a perfect save though with "I have lost a daughter also"...I felt Samara's dialog.
Yes, Samara did do what she had to do.
I generally love him to bits...nitefyre410 wrote...
Golden Owl wrote...
Taritu wrote...
Remember the mother whose daughter Morinth killed? Samara did what she had to do. Morinth was a serial killer. If she would ignore that because she was a "mother" Samara would be a monster.
I never liked Shep's line with the mother, "It's alright, we have all lost someone"...he doesn't get it and I cringe...Samara does a perfect save though with "I have lost a daughter also"...I felt Samara's dialog.
Yes, Samara did do what she had to do.
In Shepards defence - nobody unless they have been throught it or has a child of their can really "Understand" that kind of the mind numbing grief... but He tried.
Just saying don't be too hard on the guy
....Yes, you have a point nitefrye.
S Seraff wrote...
Hey try this on: Samara develops as a mother figure for Jack???
S Seraff wrote...
Hey try this on: Samara develops as a mother figure for Jack???
I went back and changed my Shep's past to Earth born largely in part because of Jack...when he tells her he understands, I want it to feel like he in fact really may do.nitefyre410 wrote...
S Seraff wrote...
Hey try this on: Samara develops as a mother figure for Jack???
DAMN YOU - you beat me to it ..
I was playing around with the idea myself - I like it . Jack gets someone who she learn some control from and Samara in way can redeem herself for who things turned out with Mornith. She may not have be able to help her but she can help Jack.
Espicailly sense my Shepard was Earthborn so he ran with that street gang - he see alot of his youngerself in the Jack and Mother/Sensei figure in Samara( Sense he is Biotic as well)
Golden Owl wrote...
I went back and changed my Shep's past to Earth born largely in part because of Jack...when he tells her he understands, I want it to feel like he in fact really may do.nitefyre410 wrote...
S Seraff wrote...
Hey try this on: Samara develops as a mother figure for Jack???
DAMN YOU - you beat me to it ..
I was playing around with the idea myself - I like it . Jack gets someone who she learn some control from and Samara in way can redeem herself for who things turned out with Mornith. She may not have be able to help her but she can help Jack.
Espicailly sense my Shepard was Earthborn so he ran with that street gang - he see alot of his youngerself in the Jack and Mother/Sensei figure in Samara( Sense he is Biotic as well)
Your as bad as I am nitefrye....nitefyre410 wrote...
Golden Owl wrote...
I went back and changed my Shep's past to Earth born largely in part because of Jack...when he tells her he understands, I want it to feel like he in fact really may do.nitefyre410 wrote...
S Seraff wrote...
Hey try this on: Samara develops as a mother figure for Jack???
DAMN YOU - you beat me to it ..
I was playing around with the idea myself - I like it . Jack gets someone who she learn some control from and Samara in way can redeem herself for who things turned out with Mornith. She may not have be able to help her but she can help Jack.
Espicailly sense my Shepard was Earthborn so he ran with that street gang - he see alot of his youngerself in the Jack and Mother/Sensei figure in Samara( Sense he is Biotic as well)
I would have loved Dialogue based off the Origins and pysche profile you pick for your Shepard. In my Head Cannon My Shepard has some rather interest conversation with Tali about what a Home and family really are, Jack and Samara..
I had this convo running where Samara and Shepard come to blows over Jack - Shepard lose badly and Samara asked why he stood up for he says:
"If I can't give her second chance, why would I deserve one"
...What my Shep says and does on the game is only about a third of his goings ons and dialogs in my head.
I predict Jack would be about as appreciative as Morinth.S Seraff wrote...
Hey try this on: Samara develops as a mother figure for Jack???
Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 31 août 2011 - 01:21 .
Strictly speaking, there's no reason why Shepard couldn't know the pain of losing family before hand. Or even a child: there's more than enough empty backstory for the player to fill in while role playing.Golden Owl wrote...
Taritu wrote...
Remember the mother whose daughter Morinth killed? Samara did what she had to do. Morinth was a serial killer. If she would ignore that because she was a "mother" Samara would be a monster.
I never liked Shep's line with the mother, "It's alright, we have all lost someone"...he doesn't get it and I cringe...Samara does a perfect save though with "I have lost a daughter also"...I felt Samara's dialog.
Yes, Samara did do what she had to do.
Didn't we once have quite the ****ing thread in which I argued that Samara was as Renegade as Paragon? A lot of people didn't like that one at the time, as I recall.yorkj86 wrote...
Sepewrath wrote...
Raizo wrote...
Having said that I do feel that a character with her sense of justice would not just sit back and watch the Reapers exterminate all life in the Galaxy without wanting to doing something, she already knows about Shepard's mission to stop the Reapers, by all rights she should be one of the very first characters to join him.
Agreed, well for a paragon Shepard, she might not be willing to work with a renegade. You know I always got the idea, that BW's idea was renegades take Morinth and Paragons, Samara. She tells a paragon if they ever need help, she'll come, so I would definitely assume that when the Reapers strike, if Shep came knocking, she would answer the call.
You're right. We're lead to believe that Samara is "Paragon," by game mechanics. However, that is misleading, and it doesn't make the writers and designers look good, trying to force Samara in to "Paragon-ness." It's easy to see that she's in-between the two labels. She frustrates the morality system, and shows that it's flimsy, naive, and facile. Trying to understand how the game treats her as a Paragon is confusing. As long as Shepard's Paragon meter is one point higher than his Renegade meter at the check, he can do all sorts of un-Paragon things, and she'll still be friendly to him. What? That's not Samara talking, that's game mechanics talking for her.
This is why I really don't like that check, it's why I really don't like the game trying to pass Samara off as Paragon, and it's why I really don't like the Paragon/Renegade system as a whole.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
I predict Jack would be about as appreciative as Morinth.S Seraff wrote...
Hey try this on: Samara develops as a mother figure for Jack???
And Samara about as merciful.
Really, who thinks it's a good idea to mix the unrepentant career criminal and the moral-absolutist? Samara can warn that she'd be obligated to kill Shepard even if Shepard is just rude/abrasive and doesn't break laws: foster mother for Jack Samara would not be.
You have a very good point Dean....I didn't think it through enough.Dean_the_Young wrote...
I predict Jack would be about as appreciative as Morinth.S Seraff wrote...
Hey try this on: Samara develops as a mother figure for Jack???
And Samara about as merciful.
Really, who thinks it's a good idea to mix the unrepentant career criminal and the moral-absolutist? Samara can warn that she'd be obligated to kill Shepard even if Shepard is just rude/abrasive and doesn't break laws: foster mother for Jack Samara would not be.
As a mother myself, I can assure you the loss of one's own child would be a whole new level...there's no comparison...Sheps line rings loud and clear of 'he dousn't get it'....Though I am okay with that, he wouldn't get it, still makes me cringe at his blunder regardless.Dean_the_Young wrote...
Strictly speaking, there's no reason why Shepard couldn't know the pain of losing family before hand. Or even a child: there's more than enough empty backstory for the player to fill in while role playing.Golden Owl wrote...
Taritu wrote...
Remember the mother whose daughter Morinth killed? Samara did what she had to do. Morinth was a serial killer. If she would ignore that because she was a "mother" Samara would be a monster.
I never liked Shep's line with the mother, "It's alright, we have all lost someone"...he doesn't get it and I cringe...Samara does a perfect save though with "I have lost a daughter also"...I felt Samara's dialog.
Yes, Samara did do what she had to do.
But no Shepard is a stranger to loss.
Sepewrath wrote...
Not too sure about that, Samara would have to have some way to keep Jack on a leash, because Jack wants to hunt Cerberus and subtlety is not her thing. Jack would have no interest in protecting the innocent or even avoiding them in most cases, that would not sit well with Samara. And Samara trying to control her, would only make Jack frustrated and have her pull away harder.
Maybe it could work if Shepard was the one keeping Jack in line, then all the rage would be directed at Shep, which could allow for Samara to sneak in there.
Would be a lot of work on BW's account for this....a lot of character development would be needed....Certainly an interesting idea though.S Seraff wrote...
Fair points Dean, but I had in mind a
character DEVELOPMENT for the both of them, where the tension between
them drives a sense of respect and, eventually, affection between them.
only possible really if Samara subsumes, or moves past, the Code; or if
Jack begins to appreciate it - unlikely, but jack isn't perfectly
described by "unrepentant career criminal" - she has more depth than
that already, and the potential for much more.
anyway, just a thought
Modifié par nitefyre410, 01 septembre 2011 - 12:19 .
I thought my Paragon could talk-jitsu his way through anything....nitefyre410 wrote...
- Honestly its a relationship that is complex to build and then play out I doubt Bioware could pull it off in the Mass Effect Red vs Blue world. Sense it moves both Characters past there current stated of living in absolutes it just won't work in the Paragon vs Renegade system.
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Golden Owl wrote...
I thought my Paragon could talk-jitsu his way through anything....nitefyre410 wrote...
- Honestly its a relationship that is complex to build and then play out I doubt Bioware could pull it off in the Mass Effect Red vs Blue world. Sense it moves both Characters past there current stated of living in absolutes it just won't work in the Paragon vs Renegade system.
Modifié par nitefyre410, 01 septembre 2011 - 01:06 .
nitefyre410 wrote...
Golden Owl wrote...
I thought my Paragon could talk-jitsu his way through anything....nitefyre410 wrote...
- Honestly its a relationship that is complex to build and then play out I doubt Bioware could pull it off in the Mass Effect Red vs Blue world. Sense it moves both Characters past there current stated of living in absolutes it just won't work in the Paragon vs Renegade system.
only where the Paragon has that Glow.
Paragon isn't lightside, however.
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