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[Xilizhra]

Actually, I'm not sure if that's a guarantee that not having kids with another asari will prevent it... and a cure for those who are around would be greatly beneficial to them.

[Golden Owl]

Asenza wrote...

Just dropping in to say I support Samara as a character and desperately hope she becomes a full LI in ME3. I like her a lot- she's mature, beautiful, dedicated (to the code and to Shepard, if you play paragon) and dignified.

I don't think that her refusal of Shepard at the end of ME2 was such a blow to those wishing to romance her. If Bioware wanted to be... strange, like with Aveline in DA2, they could have made it completely one sided, on Shepard's part. But Samara admits that she cares for Shepard, also. Her feelings (and Shepard's) aren't just going to go away. I think that she just needed time- Samara just killed her daughter, the daughter who altered the course of her life. To know that she doesnt have to wake every morning wondering who Morinth has killed now or corrupted- that must take some getting used to. Like Kasumi, I feel like Samara needs time before getting involved in a relationship... I just hope she doesn't wait too long. Samara might have several hundred years left, but unless the Lazarus Project made Shepard immortal, Shepard certainly doesn't. Because I am such a diehard hopeful, I'm seeing the Samara romance scene as a "To Be Continued" as opposed to an end.

There is a lot more to be explored about her, and I feel as though her story is far from finished. Like Thane, Samara has begun a new chapter in her life. She mentions that there will always be injustice out there, and perhaps more Ardat-Yakshi. But certainly having finished with Morinth, the one who she became a Justicar to pursue, that has to have an effect on her. Will she talk to her other daughters now, let them know that their mother accomplished what she set out to do, though it hurt her and them in the process, that it was worth it in the end?

I also hope there might be more information on her bondmate, the other, unnamed asari. We assume they broke up after having not one, not two but three pureblood Ardat-Yakshi daughters- will Samara let them know that Morinth is dead? Was Morinth's actions the reason for their breakup? Who were they, where are they now?

To end, I could never understand those who choose Morinth over Samara, aside from curiosity or getting Dominate. Even if you are renegade, Samara is bound to Shepard's will. I see people on the forums say, "She'll kill me after the mission because I did too many bad things! At least Morinth will go away!"

But that isn't true- Shepard doesn't get to romance Samara if they're too renegade, but she does say that she will do all she can to never meet Shepard again in the future, to avoid having to follow the code. Isn't that... amazing? She doesn't like a renegade Shepard, their actions or principals, and feels that Shepard has made her do dishonorable things... but she will subvert her Code to avoid killing Shepard because of their importance to... well, the galaxy and the whole Reaper thing. She would put aside her own feelings and the demands of the code for the greater good. On the flip side, Morinth lies to Shepard, fries their brain if they ask her to and then (presumably) escapes off into the galaxy to murder her way through the centuries. Samara states that she will come for Shepard (squee, warm and fuzzy moment!) whenever they need it in the future- I think it will be really difficult to come up with a legitimate reason for Morinth to hang around.

Lastly, I think what might be interesting in ME3 if you kill Samara, that her daughters should come after you and Morinth... if they're on Thessia. I don't dislike Morinth as much as I see her as a waste of potential.

How much more awesome would the choice between Samara and Morinth had been, had it been this; if Morinth was chosen over her mother, she could be "redeemed", convinced to live a "chaste" life while not in seclusion, as a LI for Shepard. If Samara was chosen over her daughter, she could become a slave to the code and somehow is corrupted as a result of it- perhaps, as Shepard in the scenario would be the one to redeem Morinth, Shepard would be the one to corrupt Samara.

That, to me, would have taken several levels in awesome above what exists now, and would have in retrospect made the choice between Morinth and Samara more than Strict, Unyielding "Good" vs All Teh Evil. The problem with the Samara/Morinth choice was that it was too black and white and no shades of grey to either side.

tl;dr: Samara is freaking awesome, hope she has a bigger role in ME3 and is a full-fledged LI.

I love your post......Thank you Asenza....

[Golden Owl]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Hello Samara thread. I'm making wallpapers for every squadmate in the series so far and here's Samara's, let me know what you think!



Justicar Samara by Carter-Kaine

That is beautiful....Thank you Legend...May I ask one thing though, I would just ask if you could maybe make Sheps sex ambiguous? So it can work for all Shep's?....Thank you again Legend.

[Asenza]

@ Golden Owl

Lol, thanks. I thought it was a bit too rambly myself, but I'd been ruminating on all that for a while...

@ Xilizhra,

I think there's enough proof in-game that states that Ardat-Yakshi only occur when two Asari produce children. There are that pair of asari on Illium that talk about it, in addition to Samara's guesstimate. We do know that they are rare and that there aren't so many that incarceration is impossible. I assume, for lack of more information, that one pureblood asari+another pureblood asari greatly increases the chances (though doesn't guarantee) of producing an Ardat-Yakshi, whereas one pureblood + an asari with elcor parentage would probably not have an Ardat-Yakshi due to the more-randomized genetic material.

[Sepewrath]

Asenza wrote...
Aww.

Isn't the cure pretty simple, though? Don't have kids with another asari? Their society already looks down upon purebloods and believes that two asari together don't add to the diversity of the race, and as Samara and others hypothesize, it creates ardat-yakshi. It's a preventable genetic defect... and there doesn't seem to be many Ardat-Yakshi around, so the demand for a cure might not be as high for, say the Drell and Kepral's syndrome.

An Ardat Yakshi does only occur with two Asari as far as seemingly anyone knows. However abstinence is not a cure, its no more of a cure for that, than it would be HIV. The genetic disorder would still exist, that would serve only as a precaution, you know safe sex for Asari.

[Flamewielder]

Ah... asari genetics again... York, got any extra-strenght ibuprofen left on you?



The A-Y disorder is present in about 1% of the asari but is only very rarely considered dangerous (i.e. like Samara's daughters). The common milder cases (i.e. non-dangerous) are treated as one would treat a patient suffering from empathy-deficit disorder (i.e. with counseling and possibly some medication to manage anxiety/depression symptoms).

A-Y's are outcasts in asari society, as they cannot touch other minds or reproduce. They are denied the intimacy healthy asari take for granted, and either spend their whole life in monitored work programs which presumably provide counseling or lead miserable lives on the margins of asari society if they don't care for the first alternative.

[Asenza]

Flamewielder wrote...

Ah... asari genetics again... York, got any extra-strenght ibuprofen left on you?



The A-Y disorder is present in about 1% of the asari but is only very rarely considered dangerous (i.e. like Samara's daughters). The common milder cases (i.e. non-dangerous) are treated as one would treat a patient suffering from empathy-deficit disorder (i.e. with counseling and possibly some medication to manage anxiety/depression symptoms).

A-Y's are outcasts in asari society, as they cannot touch other minds or reproduce. They are denied the intimacy healthy asari take for granted, and either spend their whole life in monitored work programs which presumably provide counseling or lead miserable lives on the margins of asari society if they don't care for the first alternative.

Where did you come by this information?

[Flamewielder]

It's from the in-game Codex entry on Ardat-Yakshi. If you don't have access to your ME2 game, you can also look it up in the Mass Effect wiki, which reproduces the entry litterally.

Interestingly, it sounds like asari suffering from mild manifestation of the A-Y would make rather healthy humans on the emotional level. They would develop empathy the same way we do, through verbal communication and body language interpretation, without the benefit of human-specific pheromones; it certainly sounds like asari A-Y might lead healthier, happier lives among humans than their own species (if the human community was welcoming enough towards a blue-skinned, tentacled-headed, female-looking humanoid). Asari apparently have no trouble attracting sympathy among human males, at least...

As for the rare, dangerous A-Y, well... they're stuck with the short end of the stick. Unfair, to be sure... but the Universe rarely is.

I do like the story possibilities of an eventual cure for the A-Y condition in ME3, both on Samara and Morinth; even if my personal opinion of Morinth's personality makes me think character development would be more likely in Samara's case.

[Xilizhra]

I admit, I'd be profoundly irked if they only expanded on Samara and didn't on Morinth, considering how they already botched Morinth's execution the first time.

[Asenza]

Xilizhra wrote...

I admit, I'd be profoundly irked if they only expanded on Samara and didn't on Morinth, considering how they already botched Morinth's execution the first time.

Again, I still don't know what they could do with Morinth. In my previous post I stated a ton of things (romance included) that could happen to Samara, all in character and not requiring any retcon on Bioware's part. But Morinth... even if she wants Shepard's strength, long as Shepard doesn't give in, she won't get it from them, and it would be more healthy on her part if she stayed away- both to avoid detection and the fact that she saw the mission through and has no reason to hang around.

I just can't think of any reason for her to stay around.

[S Seraff]

well, Morinth is among other things, a weapon that can be unleashed on things. she'd be great at assasination - taking out a dangerous baddie just by seducing him? and her ability to kill people could be worked into the plot too - maybe that technique has more significance than we know?

[Asenza]

S Seraff wrote...

well, Morinth is among other things, a weapon that can be unleashed on things. she'd be great at assasination - taking out a dangerous baddie just by seducing him? and her ability to kill people could be worked into the plot too - maybe that technique has more significance than we know?

But why use seduction when there's a (gorgeous) assassin capable of doing a running, leaping, spinning necksnap on your side? Samara is a powerful biotic, just as powerful as Morinth if you take into account that Morinth has been stealing life-energy for four hundred years.

EVERYONE on the team is a weapon that can be unleashed on things. Everyone on the team can kill. The only difference is their methods.

[Flamewielder]

Morinth strikes me more as a user than a collaborator. She's a loner by nature & necessity, something she apparently isn't trying to fight against.

Simple survival may be reason enough for her to stay with Shepard and fight against the coming Reaper invasion, however. She's nothing if not clever, and must realize Reapers will eventually be depriving her of her "fix", if they don't kill her first.

Samara would be Code-bound to help out in any case, with trillions of innocent lives at stake.

[diamondedge]

I was most intrigued by her character.

At first it was mostly deep respect, but then I wanted to push for more. I can't explain it, but I found her dedication,grace and charm beyond intoxicating. There is nothing else in the game that distressed me so much as it did right when she broke that kiss at the last moment. I truly wished for her to become a partner for Shepard and I still have hope. I've absolutely no interest in any other character for my romance option, since many (save for Thane and Garrus) fall into that chewed out chiche that I despise with all my heart. I would be most glad if she would find a way into Shepard's arms in Mass Effect 3.

[Xilizhra]

What chewed-out cliche, if I may ask?

[Dean_the_Young]

And how does Samara avoid the cliches of deontological zealots?


Oh, and Xil:

Join the daaaaaark side... choose Morinth...

[Xilizhra]

I've done both... I'd be more likely to choose Morinth if her execution had been less botched, though. As of now, unless something else compelling arises in ME3, I'll probably choose Samara if for no other reason than to avoid betraying a squadmate.

[Flamewielder]

I wonder what will be happening on Thessia while Earth gets reaped? What form will the "asari recruitment" mission will take and what role Samara/Morinth could play with it?

[warlock22]

I support this thread fully! Really hopeing for Samara as a LI and squadmate in ME3. <3Samara

[warlock22]

Golden Owl wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Hello Samara thread. I'm making wallpapers for every squadmate in the series so far and here's Samara's, let me know what you think!



Justicar Samara by Carter-Kaine

That is beautiful....Thank you Legend...May I ask one thing though, I would just ask if you could maybe make Sheps sex ambiguous? So it can work for all Shep's?....Thank you again Legend.

I like this alot, but i do agree that Sheperds sex should be ambiguous. but thats just me nit picking, other than that this is really cool and great pics of Samara!

[Ygolnac]

+1 for samara, my favourite characther in me2. Though i'd really love to have a romance with samara, i liked the fact she refused and how all the thing is written. Just being able to romance everyone would be silly, and she has good reasons to refuse. She's many centuries old, she already settled and had the delusion of hardat yashi children, and now it's been 4 centuries she's alone as a justicar. Just falling in someone's else arms, even shepard's, wuld be nonsense.

I really hope we will have samara in me3, not only with a cameo but as a shepard companion. It's such an amazing character to be wasted away, and she would have reasons to stick with shepard: aren't reapers the most dangerous thinks a justicar would like to purge?

[S Seraff]

Asenza wrote...

S Seraff wrote...

well, Morinth is among other things, a weapon that can be unleashed on things. she'd be great at assasination - taking out a dangerous baddie just by seducing him? and her ability to kill people could be worked into the plot too - maybe that technique has more significance than we know?

But why use seduction when there's a (gorgeous) assassin capable of doing a running, leaping, spinning necksnap on your side? Samara is a powerful biotic, just as powerful as Morinth if you take into account that Morinth has been stealing life-energy for four hundred years.

EVERYONE on the team is a weapon that can be unleashed on things. Everyone on the team can kill. The only difference is their methods.

i guess thats what i mean - morinth is a neutral option, not necessarily an inferior one. i just see themes of violnce she'd be particularly suited for. it would also be interesting to put in an RP potential to rescue her from her dark path, for those who had a change of heart after killing samara of and want to go a paragon route. probably low on the writers' list, but still interesting  

[Golden Owl]

Bump for love....

Modifié par Golden Owl, 15 septembre 2011 - 02:23 .

[Flamewielder]

Hunting down endoctrinated asari helping out the Reapers may be what Samara will be doing in ME3. Whether she'll just show up as a cameo or as a temporary, mission-specific squaddie is unknown.

[Medhia Nox]

@Dean_The_Young: Zealots tend not to have a clause in their belief structure that allows them to basically "try on" another person's belief system for a time.

That alone creates a completely new character archetype in my opinion.

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Could you imagine some Renegade - let's say, Rambo - meeting Gandhi and saying: "I don't believe in your way of acting - but I will assimilate to your code of ethics while I am with you."

Could you imagine Gandhi talking to Rambo and saying the same thing (never mind that one is a fictional character and one was real).

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No, humans simply do not assimilate to other people's train of thought.

It's hard enough for forum goers to come to a consensus of opinion - what Samara does is beyond human capability.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 15 septembre 2011 - 10:01 .