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[Zakatak757]

MILF.

Matriarch
I'd
Like to
Fornicate

I haven't really used her in any of my playthroughs, but I imagine Throw + Plasma Shotty + Mattock = Unlimited Power

Modifié par Zakatak757, 19 septembre 2011 - 02:06 .

[Flamewielder]

Heavy Reave + Mattock + Throw is what I use with Samara. She's not as versatile as Miri (Heavy Warp + Disruption + Squad damage boost) but great against strong biotic barrier users like collector assassins, asari sentinels and Harbinger.

If I expect a lot of mechs/geths, I'll rather use more techy types like Legion, Garrus, Kasumi or Tali.

Samara and Miri are my favorite team for the final stage of the SM.

[Flamewielder]

@ Asenza

With over 40,000 lines of dialogue in ME3 (versus a mere 25,000 in ME2), one would expect a bit more party banter.

Samara does comment on a few situations, but never on the actions of a specific squaddie. Some squadmate dialogue cannot help but be generic.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 19 septembre 2011 - 04:44 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Flamewielder wrote...

You're right. The police officer actually comments on it, further supporting this conclusion. The Third Oath (the one sworn to an individual) appears to be rarely invoked. I infer that the First and Second Oath likely subsume the justicar(s) to higher levels of authority or constitutional documents (such as the US Oath of Alliegance). That would make them more common, at least common enough to become part of popular lore.

The Justicars aren't sworn to any constiutional authority: if they were, the Asari political elite wouldn't be so wary of a coup, and someone could have just ordered Samara not to break out.

The Justicars are independent, not government-controlled, government-owned, or government-sanctioned. The closest they come is that the Asari Oaths of Subsumission include the defense of Asari common law and culture... which has the effect of that they (probably) won't overthrow an unjust government. But the Justicars do not answer to the government.


Justicars aren't sworn to the state. Justicars are sworn to the Code, and the Code's relationship with the state is non-subserviant.

[jamesp81]

Flamewielder wrote...

Heavy Reave + Mattock + Throw is what I use with Samara. She's not as versatile as Miri (Heavy Warp + Disruption + Squad damage boost) but great against strong biotic barrier users like collector assassins, asari sentinels and Harbinger.

If I expect a lot of mechs/geths, I'll rather use more techy types like Legion, Garrus, Kasumi or Tali.

Samara and Miri are my favorite team for the final stage of the SM.

Samara stomps all over Collectors and other biotic enemies.  And unlike Miranda who carries an SMG and a pistol, Samara brings some real conventional firepower to the field with her assault rifle training.  I guess that's the benefit of multiple centuries of combat experience.

[jamesp81]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Could you imagine some Renegade - let's say, Rambo - meeting Gandhi and saying: "I don't believe in your way of acting - but I will assimilate to your code of ethics while I am with you."

Could you imagine Gandhi talking to Rambo and saying the same thing (never mind that one is a fictional character and one was real).

No, but then I can't particularly imagine Rambo as a Renegade, nor did Samara assimilate Shepard's ethics.

The historian in me can't let this one pass unanswered.

One of Gandhi's lesser known statements: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look
upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.
"

Penned by his own hand in his autobiography.  Gandhi believed in non-violence but like any other believer, he wasn't a perfect one.  So if old Rambo showed up with a truckload of arms, things quite possibly might've gone differently.

[jamesp81]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

You're right. The police officer actually comments on it, further supporting this conclusion. The Third Oath (the one sworn to an individual) appears to be rarely invoked. I infer that the First and Second Oath likely subsume the justicar(s) to higher levels of authority or constitutional documents (such as the US Oath of Alliegance). That would make them more common, at least common enough to become part of popular lore.

The Justicars aren't sworn to any constiutional authority: if they were, the Asari political elite wouldn't be so wary of a coup, and someone could have just ordered Samara not to break out.

The Justicars are independent, not government-controlled, government-owned, or government-sanctioned. The closest they come is that the Asari Oaths of Subsumission include the defense of Asari common law and culture... which has the effect of that they (probably) won't overthrow an unjust government. But the Justicars do not answer to the government.


Justicars aren't sworn to the state. Justicars are sworn to the Code, and the Code's relationship with the state is non-subserviant.

The difference between you and me is that you view this as inherently bad.  I don't view it as inherently good or bad either way.  Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing will depend on other factors.

[Flamewielder]

True. One can wonder wether it is better to be sworn to serve an imperfect justice system that serves the interest the establishment, or to swear oneself to serve an unachievable ideal of justice... both have potential for good or evil, depending ont the people involved.

[PauseforEffect]

jamesp81 wrote...

Samara stomps all over Collectors and other biotic enemies.  And unlike Miranda who carries an SMG and a pistol, Samara brings some real conventional firepower to the field with her assault rifle training.  I guess that's the benefit of multiple centuries of combat experience.

She's great to have along during the suicide mission against Harbinger, but I often wonder why she would need an SMG if she has unlimited ammo capacity for her assault rifle. Was always confused by the developers' decision to equip her that way.

[Flamewielder]

Justicars bind themselves to obey the will of the majority everytime they cooperate with law-enforcement agencies, which I'm guessing happens on a regular basis. Binding themselves through oaths of subsumation to cooperate with police implies a (temporary) endorsement of the Law.

I think Justicars are ideologues that will cooperate with asari governments, as they are duty bound to do so as long as said government aims to comply with the Code's values, if not letter.

[Flamewielder]

@ PrimalEden

Yeah, her SMG is not really useful... too bad she can't use a Revenant!

But in real life, SMG's are more useful in close quarters than rifles (unless you use the latter a a club or with a bayonet). That could be the reason why Samara trained with both long-range and short-range weapons: tactical flexibility.

I know the SMG would rip through shields faster than the Mattock, but I never bother switching... too lazy I guess.

[Flamewielder]

Re-playing through the aftermath convos of her loyalty mission last night and it occured to me that Samara draws a parallel between her daughter and herself:

Samara states she is proud of her daughter, because she chose to run and fight against her fate and did not accept it like her other two daughters did. Her comments even imply Samara may have chosen to follow the Justicar path because she was inspired by her daughter's choosing the hard path over the easy one.

She had accepted that following Morinth could only result in one of them dying and seemed at peace with the notion, to the point I get the feeling her spirit might even have been more at peace had Morinth killed her instead.

Samara's not blind; she knows her compassion is stricly one-sided. An Ardat-Yakshi is ill-equipped to reciprocate anyway. Morinth cannot help herself; she is driven to kill and the more she kills, the stronger the urge to keep doing so. There is no cure in sight, and a 400-year long body count. Killing Morinth is Samara's only way to make it stop, as much for Morinth's sake as her own.

While Morinth greets her mother's death with relief, knowing her only serious hunter now rots in her Omega appartment, she soon turns the page; intent as she is on her next prospective meal and source of entertainment. The way she is portrayed matches AY behavior to a T.

Samara seems to have lost her own sense of purpose. She gave up on her other daughters and her mate centuries ago, to chase her favorite daughter. Her mate may have had the gumption to care for their secluded daughters; moreso than Samara. Perhaps that was their last decision as a couple: one leaving to hunt Morinth while the other stayed behind to care for the others as best she could. Each individual is born with their own set of strenghts and failings.

[Xilizhra]

There is no cure in sight

Ugh. No cure has been seriously tried for because the asari refuse to break their damned silence on the matter. And it's not just about getting salarian help; hell, humans invented medigel. They tend to be good at unorthodox situations, or initially unsolvable problems. I honestly can't support any asari who takes action related to Ardat-Yakshi that involves supporting the status quo.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

There is no cure in sight

Ugh. No cure has been seriously tried for because the asari refuse to break their damned silence on the matter. And it's not just about getting salarian help; hell, humans invented medigel. They tend to be good at unorthodox situations, or initially unsolvable problems. I honestly can't support any asari who takes action related to Ardat-Yakshi that involves supporting the status quo.

I would imagine that the Asari are constantly trying to make a cure for the AY. Given that it seems to be their one great shameful secret.

Flamewielder wrote...
I know the SMG would rip through shields faster than the Mattock, but I never bother switching... too lazy I guess.

The Mattock looks so bloody ugly in Samara's hands. Too big and clumsy looking. I always give her the Vindicator.

Beside, squadmates seems better at using the Vindicator than Mattock.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 21 septembre 2011 - 01:41 .

[nocbl2]

Samara I always use with her power points widely distributed. Normally I give her Area Reave(I find it extremely useful). I love the warp bombs with her and MIri.

[Xilizhra]

I would imagine that the Asari are constantly trying to make a cure for the AY. Given that it seems to be their one great shameful secret.

Well, they really suck at it. It's possible for their overtures to other scientific groups to be fairly discreet if they don't want to cause a public panic, which I don't think would last that long. Science advances slowest when it's done alone.

[Flamewielder]

Nice to see so many of our ME2 squaddies back in trailers and such. Bodes well for Samara!

[TK514]

Xilizhra wrote...

There is no cure in sight

Ugh. No cure has been seriously tried for because the asari refuse to break their damned silence on the matter. And it's not just about getting salarian help; hell, humans invented medigel. They tend to be good at unorthodox situations, or initially unsolvable problems. I honestly can't support any asari who takes action related to Ardat-Yakshi that involves supporting the status quo.

Just for the sake of debate, unless you have access to sources I'm unfamiliar with, the idea that no cure has been sought, or even that no outside assistance has been solicited, seems to be an assumption on your part.  It doesn't make much sense that the Asari -wouldn't- look or a cure, and hiding the condition from the galactic community is a general statement that does not rule out discreet inquiries having been made.  It's not as though the term is unknown outside the Asari.  I believe it is used by multiple non-asari during the course of ME2.

As for not asking humans for help, why would they have?  Humans have been known to the wider galaxy for 35 years or so at the time of Eden Prime.  That's less than a Salarian's lifespan, and barely noticable to an Asari.  And during that time, humanity has pretty much garnered a reputation as being disruptive on a galactic scale.  Not exactly the sort of people you're going to be rushing out to divulge your race's greatest shame to.  It'd be like meeting a kid who was in the process of throwing matches at a gas pump and deciding after their neighbor scolded them that it would be a great idea to ask the kid to help treat your STD.

Modifié par TK514, 24 septembre 2011 - 04:28 .

[Xilizhra]

Just for the sake of debate, unless you have access to sources I'm unfamiliar with, the idea that no cure has been sought, or even that no outside assistance has been solicited, seems to be an assumption on your part. It doesn't make much sense that the Asari -wouldn't- look or a cure, and hiding the condition from the galactic community is a general statement that does not rule out discreet inquiries having been made. It's not as though the term is unknown outside the Asari. I believe it is used by multiple non-asari during the course of ME2.

When there is evidence of a cure being sought, I'll concede.

[TK514]

Xilizhra wrote...

Just for the sake of debate, unless you have access to sources I'm unfamiliar with, the idea that no cure has been sought, or even that no outside assistance has been solicited, seems to be an assumption on your part. It doesn't make much sense that the Asari -wouldn't- look or a cure, and hiding the condition from the galactic community is a general statement that does not rule out discreet inquiries having been made. It's not as though the term is unknown outside the Asari. I believe it is used by multiple non-asari during the course of ME2.

When there is evidence of a cure being sought, I'll concede.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[Xilizhra]

TK514 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Just for the sake of debate, unless you have access to sources I'm unfamiliar with, the idea that no cure has been sought, or even that no outside assistance has been solicited, seems to be an assumption on your part. It doesn't make much sense that the Asari -wouldn't- look or a cure, and hiding the condition from the galactic community is a general statement that does not rule out discreet inquiries having been made. It's not as though the term is unknown outside the Asari. I believe it is used by multiple non-asari during the course of ME2.

When there is evidence of a cure being sought, I'll concede.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

True, but the burden of proof is on the one claiming for there to be something.

[TK514]

Xilizhra wrote...

TK514 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Just for the sake of debate, unless you have access to sources I'm unfamiliar with, the idea that no cure has been sought, or even that no outside assistance has been solicited, seems to be an assumption on your part. It doesn't make much sense that the Asari -wouldn't- look or a cure, and hiding the condition from the galactic community is a general statement that does not rule out discreet inquiries having been made. It's not as though the term is unknown outside the Asari. I believe it is used by multiple non-asari during the course of ME2.

When there is evidence of a cure being sought, I'll concede.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

True, but the burden of proof is on the one claiming for there to be something.

Touché.

I will certainly admit that my theory is just as much an assumption.

[Dean_the_Young]

[quote]jamesp81 wrote...

Justicars aren't sworn to the state. Justicars are sworn to the Code, and the Code's relationship with the state is non-subserviant.


[/quote]
The difference between you and me is that you view this as inherently bad.  I don't view it as inherently good or bad either way.  Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing will depend on other factors.

[/quote]You don't believe that there are powers so powerful and dangerous they should only be held by an accountable agency?

[Dean_the_Young]

Flamewielder wrote...

Justicars bind themselves to obey the will of the majority everytime they cooperate with law-enforcement agencies, which I'm guessing happens on a regular basis. Binding themselves through oaths of subsumation to cooperate with police implies a (temporary) endorsement of the Law.

That's a rather inventive interpretation. Law-enforcement, by its nature, is quite often an anti-majority force. Nor does cooperation with a law-enforcement have anything to do with submitting to popular opinion.

The Justicars neither derive justification nor change policy in regards to majority opinion of their acts. Even their own origin story is about how they were a minority against a corrupt majority.

I think Justicars are ideologues that will cooperate with asari governments, as they are duty bound to do so as long as said government aims to comply with the Code's values, if not letter.

They are duty bound to help police for twenty-four hours, and then are free to resume whatever they want. That there is a time-limit of such narrow width rather implies against constant cooperation by rule of the Code.

How does that expand to they regulary cooperate with goverment (always distinct from police-functions), or that they are duty bound to support said governments? You've made a claim, but provided nothing lining up with anything provided.