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[warlock22]

Yeah i know, just really wanting this to happen. I sent Casey Hudson a tweet today saying that they should have Samara as a true LI in ME3. And that a lot of people want this to happen, this is the last game after all give us all the options for LI to make it the perfect game! Or better yet "our perfect game"!

Modifié par warlock22, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:36 .

[Flamewielder]

Just don't make it some cheap a** romance... Samara doesn't need a character re-write. She wouldn't change her mind on such things just because Shep said "pretty please". Something major would need to happen in order for her to change her mind.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Flamewielder wrote...

Just don't make it some cheap a** romance... Samara doesn't need a character re-write. She wouldn't change her mind on such things just because Shep said "pretty please". Something major would need to happen in order for her to change her mind.

How would you want it to be handled?

"EDIT"

I will admit that I think Bioware wont make Samara a LI in ME3. I think they will just give us some more dialog so the payer can get a propper closure to it.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 16 octobre 2011 - 12:24 .

[Xilizhra]

Flamewielder wrote...

Just don't make it some cheap a** romance... Samara doesn't need a character re-write. She wouldn't change her mind on such things just because Shep said "pretty please". Something major would need to happen in order for her to change her mind.

Well, it's been some time. The wound over Morinth's death is no longer quite so fresh.

[nitefyre410]

Xilizhra wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Just don't make it some cheap a** romance... Samara doesn't need a character re-write. She wouldn't change her mind on such things just because Shep said "pretty please". Something major would need to happen in order for her to change her mind.

Well, it's been some time. The wound over Morinth's death is no longer quite so fresh.

 

Oh that wound is going to fresh for a long time - its the type that does really heal you just learn to live with it.  

As far as romance with Shepard she has shown incerdiable  savvy in making the code work in her favor  just to work with the him.  

convincing  her will revolve around  a dicussion about  the concepts of  justice, love, honor  and duty...

[Asenza]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Just don't make it some cheap a** romance... Samara doesn't need a character re-write. She wouldn't change her mind on such things just because Shep said "pretty please". Something major would need to happen in order for her to change her mind.

Well, it's been some time. The wound over Morinth's death is no longer quite so fresh.

 

Oh that wound is going to fresh for a long time - its the type that does really heal you just learn to live with it.  

As far as romance with Shepard she has shown incerdiable  savvy in making the code work in her favor  just to work with the him.  

convincing  her will revolve around  a dicussion about  the concepts of  justice, love, honor  and duty...

You do know that Samara's Code wasn't the reason she turned Shepard down, right? It was quite clear during one of  the discussions with her. Shepard asks point blank if the Code forbids romantic involvement, and Samara turns to you and says, "It does not."

My Shepard: (I am so there).

[warlock22]

Asenza wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Just don't make it some cheap a** romance... Samara doesn't need a character re-write. She wouldn't change her mind on such things just because Shep said "pretty please". Something major would need to happen in order for her to change her mind.

Well, it's been some time. The wound over Morinth's death is no longer quite so fresh.

 

Oh that wound is going to fresh for a long time - its the type that does really heal you just learn to live with it.  

As far as romance with Shepard she has shown incerdiable  savvy in making the code work in her favor  just to work with the him.  

convincing  her will revolve around  a dicussion about  the concepts of  justice, love, honor  and duty...

You do know that Samara's Code wasn't the reason she turned Shepard down, right? It was quite clear during one of  the discussions with her. Shepard asks point blank if the Code forbids romantic involvement, and Samara turns to you and says, "It does not."

My Shepard: (I am so there).

Yes, she says that her "self control is who i am".  She just needs to lighten up... so to speak

[warlock22]

Flamewielder wrote...

Just don't make it some cheap a** romance... Samara doesn't need a character re-write. She wouldn't change her mind on such things just because Shep said "pretty please". Something major would need to happen in order for her to change her mind.

I fully agree. The romance needs to be something deep and personal. It needs to be something the player really needs to work at, that way it will be so much better when you finally get her.

Modifié par warlock22, 16 octobre 2011 - 10:38 .

[Flamewielder]

Samara's turning down of Shep marked her as a very different "woman" than the other ME girls, and a large part of that difference is age. Of course, Liara, Miri, Tali and Ash are different in their beliefs and attitudes but they all share youth and a certain flexibility in terms of personality development.

As we get older and more experienced we also tend towards a certain conservatism. We become less flexible and open in our outlook on life, and we tend to think "been there, done that", "I know how this will end", etc... We're not completely closed to the idea of change, but it takes a hell of a lot more convincing for us to change our outlook.

So Samara's "been there, done that"; she "knows how this will end". Shep's got a shot, I think, but the romance should progress a lot more slowly; instead of a rather straightforward "reward" scene at the end, perhaps Samara would only acknowledge a reciprocity in their feelings and leave it up to the player to imagine Shepard and Samara disappearing together on some mysterious noble quest.

An oath of moment, a holding of hands, a rare smile... a classic paladin love story is different from an adventurous rogue's or salt-of-the-Earth grunt's. The first one is almost chaste, the last two are lusty and warmly human.

[Xilizhra]

perhaps Samara would only acknowledge a reciprocity in their feelings and leave it up to the player to imagine Shepard and Samara disappearing together on some mysterious noble quest.

Didn't she already do that? The difference here would be her accepting it, not just acknowledging.

[Flamewielder]

You're right, she acknowledges, but won't reciprocate (unless you "only" offered friendship, which she does).

On that, I'd say a Samara romance could develop regardless of your dialogue choice. Samara has some thinking to do before she'd consider romantic involvement and she's willfull enough to actually initiate something (instead of merely waiting for Shep to do so).

[warlock22]

That could be interesting,  her making a move before Sheperd does.

Modifié par warlock22, 17 octobre 2011 - 07:44 .

[Flamewielder]

I'm hoping for some sort of confrontation between Shepard and another Justicar, one who would take issue with Shep's resolution of the Arrival situation.

Others have suggested this confrontation should happen between Shep and Samara, but I suspect Samara would likely acknowledge that Shep had no other viable option to save the galaxy. In essence, she has the insider's perspective that an outsider would lack. Samara would pass judgement on insider knowledge that essentially absolves Shep.

The lack of tangible proof may however lead another justicar to assume Shep is a deluded individual and that Samara has foresworn herself in backing him up. That upcoming trip to Thessia may be a lot more interesting...

[warlock22]

Maybe thats how Samara would stop being a justicar. If another justicar finds out what sheperd did and try's to kill him, what if she chooses to help sheperd because she knows the truth, and that there was no other way that it could have been done. What happens when a justicar kills another justicar. Does their code cover that situation?

Would the justicar order dismiss Samara from the order because of it, and if so would she choose to be with you then? OMG I cant wait for ME3! I must know everyone's reaction to what you did will arrival, especially Samara's

[JKFerg]

With Samara letting the "kiss" get so close before stopping Shepard and the "Please" comment after she walks out, it seems to me like she's very conflicted about the relationship that she has with Shep anyway. I feel like it would only take a small event between them to push her one way or the other.

[Celtic Latino]

ReallyRue wrote...

I'm always transfixed by how graceful Samara seems. He voice, speech, movement, appearance are all so regal. In terms of personality, she always seems so wise. She's dedicated to the Code, but she's intelligent and resourceful enough to work within its boundaries without doing something seemingly foolish (like asking Shepard to help with her mission so she doesn't have to kill the police officer). Many of her comments seem insightful and intelligent. Despite how unbelievably hard it is for her, she takes responsibility for Morinth's actions and hunts her down because of it. And even though Morinth is a homicidal sociopath, Samara clearly still loves her and it breaks her heart to kill her. Athough she seems quite cool and distant at first, she's actually very friendly and seems to be happy to accomodate Shep's curiosity about justicars and the asari. I even loved Samara's romantic subplot with Shep, because her turning down Shepard was so in-character for her. For her develop a romantic relationship with Shepard wouldn't have seemed right to me.

I always see my paragon Sheps having a strong platonic friendship with Samara, and her "I will come for you, Shepard" line always makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I'm worried about how she will react to a reunion with my renegades in ME3 though!

I also get the feeling she might play an important part in convincing the asari government to help, because of how respected justicars are, and I can see her thoroughly immersed in protecting her people when Shep finally catches up to her.

Everything summed up here is exactly why Samara is my favorite squaddie!!

Personally I could care less if the others from ME2 returned to ME3 but Samara (and Kasumi) is a squadmate I would actively campaign for a return...or even her own DLC (speaking as someone who hates the very existence of the part where you play as Joker, Leliana's Song, and Darkspawn Chronicles-or any DLC that doesn't involve your PC). 

She's ridiculously awesome!

[lost.long.ago]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Laughable.  You claim the Majority has the "greater good" to be concerned with, it's more about maintaining the status quo.

That's only when the majority is firmly empowered and a signle ctor. This is incredibly rare: even 'informal' heirarchies put a minority in power and the majority underneath.

When one becomes part of the majority, do you simply relieve yourself of all the desires you had as the minority?  No, you still have an opinion, and you still want things.  It's just you no longer need to fight for them because you have them.  You simply must maintain them.  You don't wait until you lose and become part of the minority to pick up your desires and beliefs agian, or to be influenced by them, or there would be no majority... it would disperse as soon as it became the majority.

This said, being part of the minority or the majority can't be used to define whether you're biased or not, as both are consistently filled with those who hold their beliefs closely.
There is no category to scrounge around in for an unbiased person.  You must merely find someone who's judgement you accept... who you feel has weighed the options properly.  I think the original poster felt Liara was such a person, and as such, offered her name.
And I'd agree.

[lost.long.ago]

JKFerg wrote...

With Samara letting the "kiss" get so close before stopping Shepard and the "Please" comment after she walks out, it seems to me like she's very conflicted about the relationship that she has with Shep anyway. I feel like it would only take a small event between them to push her one way or the other.

Same.  And I'm under the impression that Samara primarily became a Justicar because of Morinth, and with her primary objective taken care of, there'd be less reason to remain as a Justicar.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but since I love that idea so much, I still might not believe you .

ANYWHO... You're all saying that they should develop an A-Y cure.  If you're saying this to see how Samara reacts after just having killed Morinth, I understand.  However, if you're saying it because you want a Shep/Samara love child, I thought the AY disorder was found only in pure-bloods... now I have to go look this up O.o

[warlock22]

lost.long.ago wrote...



ANYWHO... You're all saying that they should develop an A-Y cure.  If you're saying this to see how Samara reacts after just having killed Morinth, I understand.  However, if you're saying it because you want a Shep/Samara love child, I thought the AY disorder was found only in pure-bloods... now I have to go look this up O.o

A-Y only happen when two asari mate. Samara is a prue blood, same as Liara. But in order for them to have A-Y they would have to mate with other asari. If they mate with Sheperd its fine there will be no A-Y.

[lost.long.ago]

Sweet!  So I'm not going crazy/ randomly generating info... that's always a good sign

[Ravensword]

One of the few characters that uses an assault rifle while every other squaddie uses either an SMG/pistol, shotgun/pistol or sniper rifle/SMG.

[Athayniel]

warlock22 wrote...

lost.long.ago wrote...



ANYWHO... You're all saying that they should develop an A-Y cure.  If you're saying this to see how Samara reacts after just having killed Morinth, I understand.  However, if you're saying it because you want a Shep/Samara love child, I thought the AY disorder was found only in pure-bloods... now I have to go look this up O.o

A-Y only happen when two asari mate. Samara is a prue blood, same as Liara. But in order for them to have A-Y they would have to mate with other asari. If they mate with Sheperd its fine there will be no A-Y.

This is not known to be true. Asari do not take genetic material from their partners, they use it to make alterations to the genes – which are the same as their own – passed down to their offspring. Morinth being an Ardat-Yakshi is because something in Samara's DNA has created a propensity for it and the fact all three of her children received the disorder shows that. It is possible that melding with a different partner might give Samara the ability to break the genes which cause her children to become Ardat-Yakshi, but it is simply not known if that is the case.

[Athayniel]

*since edit my post seems to be a problem right now*

Also, the link between Ardat-Yakshi and 'pureblood' asari is conjecture according to the codex. It is another stigma attached to purebloods, especially those who come from a line of purebloods as Samara seems to do.

[Flamewielder]

The A-Y trait usually expresses itself in the offspring of pureblood parents (such as Samara). We know nothing of her (presumably deceased) mate. She may have been asari, or not.

One of the possible reasons Samara may have chosen to hunt down Morinth herself could be that Morinth could have killed her "father", possibly after Samara attempted to hide Morinth's condition from her mate or society at large (hoping beyond hope she could raise her children normally). If so, Samara's guilt would not only result from a radical notion of parental responsibility, but from Samara's own actions.

[warlock22]

[quote]Flamewielder wrote...

The A-Y trait usually expresses itself in the offspring of pureblood parents (such as Samara). We know nothing of her (presumably deceased) mate. She may have been asari, or not.

When Samara say's that Morinth's condistion is her fault, i felt like she said that because she choose another asari as her mate. And on Illium there are two asari talking were you can hale a cap. And one of the asari say's that she does'nt like it when two asari mate, "thats how you get throw backs like the A-Y" she says.  And Samara say's " Perhaps that the the root of the stigma reguarding asari exculsive paring's I dont know" So even she is uncertain about how the A-Y disease occur's, but i think that points out that she had an asari as a mate.

But if what your saying is right then its the same for Liara, although ive never herd heard her mention A-Y's before. You'd think she would be worried to mate with you for fear of her offspring. But maybe asari can choose wether or not to get pregnant.

Modifié par warlock22, 19 octobre 2011 - 09:24 .