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[Flamewielder]

Asari birth-control was never discussed in the lore. Presumably, since mating is only a variation on their "mind-melding", asari may be able to consciously control when they will conceive just by deciding how far they are willing to take the meld.

Presumably, mothers (or "fathers") and daughters also meld on occasions, just as we would comfort our own children by hugging them. So I don't think Samara turned down Shepard just because she was concerned over the possibility of accidentaly getting pregnant with another A-Ychild.

The writer deliberately made Samara a very strong and willfull character in contrast to the other romantic interests. All the other girls have "daddy issues", Samara has "children issues". I think she perceives herself as "too old for this", perhaps she feels it would betray the memory of her (deceased?) mate... As detective Anaya says, Samara might as well be dead as far as her family is concerned.

Justicars deliberately step out of asari society, rather like contemplative monks do. They former self is slowly sublimed into their justicar persona; it's not merely about keeping a promise to foresake family and uphold the Code, but eventually becoming this new person, this avatar of asari justice. It implies a certain detachement from her former life and its associated joys and sorrows.

As a youth, she'd have given Shep some nasty carpet burns... but that Samara has come and gone. She's become only a small part of Justicar Samara's larger whole; it's been at least 400 years and I suspect that if the matriarchal stage is roughly like pre-menopause (i.e. 50-60 years old for human females), a roll in the hay may no longer be as appealing as it was when she was a young and impulsive maiden.

Liara is a pureblood, but not all purebloods are A-Y; their children only have a higher chance of expressing the A-Y trait than inter-species offspring. Liara obviously desn't carry the A-Y trait, being able to meld with Shep (if romanced) with ease (and apparently pleasure).

EDIT for top-of-page Samara:

Modifié par Flamewielder, 20 octobre 2011 - 02:46 .

[Xilizhra]

As detective Anaya says, Samara might as well be dead as far as her family is concerned.

I'm not sure why, but I'm finding it extraordinarily hard to accept this as a permanent fact. I won't allow Samara to stay a justice zombie if I can possibly help it.

[S Seraff]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

S Seraff wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So, I wonder...

Would Samara be willing to stop being a justicar if it was somehow, hypothetically, linked to finding a cure for the Ardat-Yakshi condition? Of course, I'm curious if she'd stop being a justicar for anything, because I don't think it's psychologically good for her and she no longer needs it anyway with Morinth dead, but eh.

No.

Possibly - after all we dont know all 5000 of the sutras, there may be an escape clause

The question wasn't 'can Samara.' The question is 'would Samara be willing.'

And Samara already answered that that she does intend to continue being a Justicar, has already cut ties with her family, and shown no interest or investment in a cure having any role in changing that position.

all true. she can change her mind, though. and bioware hasnt put her in such a tight prison that she cant

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...
I'm not sure why, but I'm finding it extraordinarily hard to accept this as a permanent fact. I won't allow Samara to stay a justice zombie if I can possibly help it.

Permanent, probably not. Even the elderly can eventually come around to another point of view, given a lot of diplomacy and good solid rethoric. By the end of ME2, Samara has developed affection towards Shepard but won't allow herself to express anything beyond friendship. That's why I feel that a potential Samara romance could happen regardless of wether you pressed her on it in ME2 or not. If it happens, it's gonna happen at Samara's pace, not Shepard's.

[Xilizhra]

Flamewielder wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I'm not sure why, but I'm finding it extraordinarily hard to accept this as a permanent fact. I won't allow Samara to stay a justice zombie if I can possibly help it.

Permanent, probably not. Even the elderly can eventually come around to another point of view, given a lot of diplomacy and good solid rethoric. By the end of ME2, Samara has developed affection towards Shepard but won't allow herself to express anything beyond friendship. That's why I feel that a potential Samara romance could happen regardless of wether you pressed her on it in ME2 or not. If it happens, it's gonna happen at Samara's pace, not Shepard's.

I do agree that Shepard trying to pressure Samara doesn't come off very well at all, and I'd prefer it if Shepard could pursue a romance with Samara without taking that option in ME2. Though it might be necessary to give Samara the thought.

[Ravensword]

Samara wants Shepard and her code doesn't forbid her from pursuing romantic relationships. The irony is that, given the life of a justicar, it doesn't seem like it would be one that would be conducive to a long-term and serious relationship.

Modifié par Ravensword, 21 octobre 2011 - 01:58 .

[PauseforEffect]

Perhaps, Samara is denying herself a chance for happiness as atonement for what she sentenced her daughters to?

[Xilizhra]

PrimalEden wrote...

Perhaps, Samara is denying herself a chance for happiness as atonement for what she sentenced her daughters to?

Ah. Well, do you know what would be a better way to atone, Samara? GO ****ING TALK TO THEM!

[Ravensword]

Xilizhra wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

Perhaps, Samara is denying herself a chance for happiness as atonement for what she sentenced her daughters to?

Ah. Well, do you know what would be a better way to atone, Samara? GO ****ING TALK TO THEM!

Justicars must forswear all property and family.

[Xilizhra]

Ravensword wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

Perhaps, Samara is denying herself a chance for happiness as atonement for what she sentenced her daughters to?

Ah. Well, do you know what would be a better way to atone, Samara? GO ****ING TALK TO THEM!

Justicars must forswear all property and family.

And that's a major reason why I want to lead her out of the oath.

[PauseforEffect]

After all this time, would her daughters want to see their mother who left them? Maybe by now, Samara feels that seeing her daughters would hurt them more than comfort them.
It's all confusing, family feelings. : I

[Ravensword]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

Perhaps, Samara is denying herself a chance for happiness as atonement for what she sentenced her daughters to?

Ah. Well, do you know what would be a better way to atone, Samara? GO ****ING TALK TO THEM!

Justicars must forswear all property and family.

And that's a major reason why I want to lead her out of the oath.

That would be very tough. I guess you can convince of that by stating the reason she became a justicar was to hunt Morinth down and now that it's done perhaps she can return to a more normal life. It's now time to find more than happiness w/ Paragon Shep.

[Xilizhra]

After all this time, would her daughters want to see their mother who left them? Maybe by now, Samara feels that seeing her daughters would hurt them more than comfort them.
It's all confusing, family feelings. : I

It is, but I'm not at all happy about what Samara did to her other two daughters.

That would be very tough. I guess you can convince of that by stating the reason she became a justicar was to hunt Morinth down and now that it's done perhaps she can return to a more normal life. It's now time to find more than happiness w/ Paragon Shep.

That's what I hope for, although I hope I can do it too without romancing her, because so far my canon Shepard is with Liara.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 21 octobre 2011 - 06:26 .

[PauseforEffect]

Neither is Samara, though I wonder if she'll go to move them with the Reaper threat here.

[Ravensword]

Xilizhra wrote...

That would be very tough. I guess you can convince of that by stating the reason she became a justicar was to hunt Morinth down and now that it's done perhaps she can return to a more normal life. It's now time to find more than happiness w/ Paragon Shep.

That's what I hope for, although I hope I can do it too without romancing her, because so far my canon Shepard is with Liara.

My canon FemShep is romancing Liara at least until there are more LIs out there. I wouldn't mind romancing Samara though or just having a womance (female version of the bromance) w/ her.

[ByTheCode]

All I want is for Samara to be an LI in ME3. Whether for femshep or manshep, I don't care.

[Octoberskys]

Samera rocks she should at least have a cameo in ME3...

[S Seraff]

Xilizhra wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

Perhaps, Samara is denying herself a chance for happiness as atonement for what she sentenced her daughters to?

Ah. Well, do you know what would be a better way to atone, Samara? GO ****ING TALK TO THEM!

[lost.long.ago]

Octoberskys wrote...

Samera rocks she should at least have a cameo in ME3...

We could always just say screw Shepard and make her the protagonist

[warlock22]

ByTheCode wrote...

All I want is for Samara to be an LI in ME3. Whether for femshep or manshep, I don't care.

Same here I must have her! Samara:wub:

[Cespar]

I always been faithful to jack, but if they make Samara that will change, cause when i first played Me2 i though Samara would be a LI but sadly she turn me away =/

[Pockles]

Is the Samara romance possible with male and female Shepard? Only ever saw it with male Shep on youtube, and he seemed slightly overbearing. Wondering if Hale did a better job of it.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Pockles wrote...

Is the Samara romance possible with male and female Shepard? Only ever saw it with male Shep on youtube, and he seemed slightly overbearing. Wondering if Hale did a better job of it.

Possible for both. Althrough I feel Hale did a pretty bad job at the scene. Sounds waaay to clingy.

You can youtube it if you wish.

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...
Ah. Well, do you know what would be a better way to atone, Samara? GO ****ING TALK TO THEM!

Thane didn't seek out his son until 10 years had passed... That's quite a long time for a species with such a short lifespan as the Drell. He, like Samara, felt that his child was better off in the hands of surrogate parents, until something happened to change that belief. In Kolyat's case, it was his decision to attempt (clumsily) to follow in his father's footsteps.

I think both parents had to deal with more primal emotions, that overruled whatever parental imperative they felt towards their children at the time. Perhaps that makes them horrible parents, or perhaps that just makes what they are: tragic characters. One was consumed first by a desire for revenge over his wife's murderers, then by the urge to atone by eliminating criminals; the other needed to stop her serial-killing A-Y daughter the only way one can (i.e. killing) out of a personal sense of responsibility, and likely feels dying in the line of duty is the only fitting end for her after this infanticide.

Thane is trying to be the father he thinks he should have been, even though he felt he lacked what it takes when he left Kolyat in foster care for his 10-year revenge-killing spree. Perhaps Samara may attempt the same, should some similarly significant event occur in ME3 to change her outlook and seek out her daughters. Perhaps an attack on their monastery by some radical anti-pureblood group or something... the Code would demand she protect the innocent A-Y sheltered within, regardless of wether or not they were her daughters or no. Or some conflict within the Order that would make her question the justice of her commitment to it. Freed from her Oaths, who knows if she wouldn't try some form of reconciliation?

For now, Samara likely feels she's sacrificed too much and no longer thinks herself deserving of her surviving progeny's affections. Many would agree with her, perhaps her daughters do as well... Kolyat certainly didn't reciprocate Thane's sudden concern for him, at least not right away.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 24 octobre 2011 - 02:34 .

[Xilizhra]

Thane didn't seek out his son until 10 years had passed... That's quite a long time for a species with such a short lifespan as the Drell. He, like Samara, felt that his child was better off in the hands of surrogate parents, until something happened to change that belief. In Kolyat's case, it was his decision to attempt (clumsily) to follow in his father's footsteps.

And rest assured I'd be yelling at him (well, not in-character) if he hadn't done it already.

Or some conflict within the Order that would make her question the justice of her commitment to it. Freed from her Oaths, who knows if she wouldn't try some form of reconciliation?

I do at least hope for this.

For now, Samara likely feels she's sacrificed too much and no longer thinks herself deserving of her surviving progeny's affections.

This is... well, okay. I understand how grief can change people. And sometimes, grief makes you bloody stupid. It's understandable, it's not malicious, and I'm still sympathetic towards her, but there's no getting around the fact that it's stupid, and I really hope that she can climb out of it.