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[Asenza]

Flamewielder wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Ah. Well, do you know what would be a better way to atone, Samara? GO ****ING TALK TO THEM!

Thane didn't seek out his son until 10 years had passed... That's quite a long time for a species with such a short lifespan as the Drell. He, like Samara, felt that his child was better off in the hands of surrogate parents, until something happened to change that belief. In Kolyat's case, it was his decision to attempt (clumsily) to follow in his father's footsteps.

Drell don't have a short life-span. Translating galatic years to human years, someone on the Thane thread found- would put the typical drell lifespan at a little over a hundred, Keprals not included.

[Flamewielder]

Codex entries say average lifespan of 85 years old, compared to 150 for humans in the ME universe. Still quite shorter than humans, especially since Thane himself started his assassin career at age 13, presumably having become an adult at that point. That little over half human life expectancy, regardless of what calendar you want to use.

[Asenza]

Flamewielder wrote...

Codex entries say average lifespan of 85 years old, compared to 150 for humans in the ME universe. Still quite shorter than humans, especially since Thane himself started his assassin career at age 13, presumably having become an adult at that point. That little over half human life expectancy, regardless of what calendar you want to use.

Eighty five galactic standard years. A galactic standard year is allegedly an average year on the Asari and Salarian homeworlds. A galactic year is slightly longer than an Earth year, 1.043 Earth years. That "slightly longer" (380.695 days as opposed to 365 dats) will translate to a slightly longer Drell lifepan. 

Sorry for the off topicness.

Modifié par Asenza, 24 octobre 2011 - 02:34 .

[lost.long.ago]

Asenza wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Codex entries say average lifespan of 85 years old, compared to 150 for humans in the ME universe. Still quite shorter than humans, especially since Thane himself started his assassin career at age 13, presumably having become an adult at that point. That little over half human life expectancy, regardless of what calendar you want to use.

Eighty five galactic standard years. A galactic standard year is allegedly an average year on the Asari and Salarian homeworlds. A galactic year is slightly longer than an Earth year, 1.043 Earth years. That "slightly longer" (380.695 days as opposed to 365 dats) will translate to a slightly longer Drell lifepan. 

Sorry for the off topicness.

but good info.. now that gets me curious as to whether or not the writers ever get mixed up and mistaken, dealing with all those different measurement types...

Back to topic: SAMARA RULES! 

[swordmalice]

Not sure if this was discussed but exactly how old is Samara? In game I believe she says she's almost 1,000. If that's so, she's a matriarch right? Yet she doesn't quite look like the other matriarchs we've seen (Benezia, Atheya)...

[Takotna]

Well going purely by the codex for asari stages Samara is most likely between 700 and 800 years of age added to that she says that she has hundreds of years left to contemplate killing Morinth so she may even be a bit younger then that.

[Flamewielder]

The conscensus being 700-800 years old, putting her on the verge of martiarchal age. This would loosely correspond to 50-60 years old in real life human females.

My point with Thane is that drells have comparatively shorter life spans than humans. Ten years out of 85 is almost 12% of the average drell lifespan. That would amount to about 120 years for an asari, or about 18 years for a human in the ME universe (their lifespan being 150 galactic years in game).

Rana McAnear just released some awsome Samara cosplay pictures on her FB page, one of which is mirrored on the Mass Effect FB page. Check them out!

[Flamewielder]

That excited, are we? Looks like I killed the thread again... guess I should go easy on the cologne...

[Ashira Shepard]

I thought they were super cool

Also. Hai again.

I kind of tried to avoid the main forums aside from my thread lately because I got sick of the majority of b*tching and flames being tossed around. Soooo yeah. Anyway.

I thought I'd share this from the Motivational thread because I don't have anything right now to say. 

(don't ask about the hat or the expression...I have no idea how this came about.)

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:09 .

[Asenza]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I thought they were super cool

Also. Hai again.

I kind of tried to avoid the main forums aside from my thread lately because I got sick of the majority of b*tching and flames being tossed around. Soooo yeah. Anyway.

I thought I'd share this from the Motivational thread because I don't have anything right now to say. 

(don't ask about the hat or the expression...I have no idea how this came about.)

Dunno where the hat came from I'm pretty sure the expression is from playing as Samara during Jacob's romance scene, right after Jacob takes off his shirt and shows himself in all his chiseled, abdomen glory.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

HAX!

[Dean_the_Young]

Flamewielder wrote...

That excited, are we? Looks like I killed the thread again... guess I should go easy on the cologne...

I could throw in another controversial viewpoint on her character, if you'd like. That generally gets people talking.

[Flamewielder]

*chuckles* Yeah, that's always given it a good jolt. And even fans of the character can admit Samara IS a controversial character. She's certainly not a role model I'd encourage kids to emulate...

[Dean_the_Young]

Anyone who would want the children to emulate a an individual who would ideologically go along with any action from murder to genocide certainly shouldn't have children, I agree.

Samara's the worst aspect of the 'just following orders' defense, except that rather than a defense the Justicars are indoctrinated* to believe that doing so makes them righteous. It's the stage of fanaticism past being willing to do evil simply because you were ordered to: it's the idea that because you were ordered to, it's not wrong to go along with it. This applies to the Code and her oath to Shepard both: as Samara herself admits, she would kill every advocate of the Justicars if her code told her to. She'd do even worse if Shepard told her to.

Fanaticism can be a useful tool, and it can even work without harm when it doesn't contradict common sense or public interest, but it isn't something to either aspire to or elevate.


*the classical way and meaning, not the Reaper way

[S Seraff]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Anyone who would want the children to emulate a an individual who would ideologically go along with any action from murder to genocide certainly shouldn't have children, I agree.

Samara's the worst aspect of the 'just following orders' defense, except that rather than a defense the Justicars are indoctrinated* to believe that doing so makes them righteous. It's the stage of fanaticism past being willing to do evil simply because you were ordered to: it's the idea that because you were ordered to, it's not wrong to go along with it. This applies to the Code and her oath to Shepard both: as Samara herself admits, she would kill every advocate of the Justicars if her code told her to. She'd do even worse if Shepard told her to.

Fanaticism can be a useful tool, and it can even work without harm when it doesn't contradict common sense or public interest, but it isn't something to either aspire to or elevate.


*the classical way and meaning, not the Reaper way

I agree with this post. It's the principle reason I want Samara to grow past it. She's hidden behind it.

[Flamewielder]

Quite so, and that's what piques her fans' interest: why did she feel the need to join an order of deontological zealots simply to stop a serial killer?

One possible answer was that knew she lacked the necessary resolve to do what was required (i.e. kill Morinth) and needed to partition away her parental personae. Becoming a Justicar facilitated this, although I agree with Xil that it is probably ultimately unhealthy on a psychological level.

[Xilizhra]

And one hopes she can un-indoctrinate herself thereafter...

[Flamewielder]

Hence the need for something that would lead her to reconsider her commitment. As of the end of ME2, nothing has. Given centuries, perhaps she would but ME3 is happening in the near future.

Something dramatic, like a confrontation with another Justicar (an endoctrinated one, like Saren, or simply another more ruthless one who doesn't even bother choosing the more compassionate course of action over the more direct one). It would mirror Shep's story of ME1, and wouldn't be the first Bioware character to experience a change in beliefs given a good enough reason to do so (ref.: Viconia, Bastila).

[Xilizhra]

That would be interesting, I admit. I do hope ME3 has enough room for that.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

That would be interesting, I admit. I do hope ME3 has enough room for that.

You don't pamper a mad dog: you shoot it.

If Mass Effect makes a significant character-specific subplot of this sort of magnitude of reversal, it better be a super-huge game in all other spheres and characters as well. Samara alone doesn't justify the duration of development to claim such an about-face.

[Asenza]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That would be interesting, I admit. I do hope ME3 has enough room for that.

You don't pamper a mad dog: you shoot it.

If Mass Effect makes a significant character-specific subplot of this sort of magnitude of reversal, it better be a super-huge game in all other spheres and characters as well. Samara alone doesn't justify the duration of development to claim such an about-face.

Bioware saw fit to tell 12 complicated characters' backstories in ME2. If they aren't going to finish things right, if they're just going to let them stagnate or kill them off to avoid further development of their characters, then they shouldn't have developed them in the first place. Don't tell stories you have no intention of finishing.

Bioware is (or was, pre-ME2 and DA2) renowned for their stories and characters. If they can't suddenly handle developing characters in their own games well then, what happened?

Modifié par Asenza, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:38 .

[warlock22]

Asenza wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That would be interesting, I admit. I do hope ME3 has enough room for that.

You don't pamper a mad dog: you shoot it.

If Mass Effect makes a significant character-specific subplot of this sort of magnitude of reversal, it better be a super-huge game in all other spheres and characters as well. Samara alone doesn't justify the duration of development to claim such an about-face.

Bioware saw fit to tell 12 complicated characters' backstories in ME2. If they aren't going to finish things right, if they're just going to let them stagnate or kill them off to avoid further development of their characters, then they shouldn't have developed them in the first place. Don't tell stories you have no intention of finishing.

Bioware is (or was, pre-ME2 and DA2) renowned for their stories and characters. If they can't suddenly handle developing characters in their own games well then, what happened?

I trust Bioware in that they know what there doing. And Bioware is still renowned for their storys and characters, i dont know why people think their characters in ME2 were not as good as ME1. I think they were even better just because they were more believable and more ineresting with their our missions or storys. Dailogue and voice acting were also better.

Modifié par warlock22, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:39 .

[Asenza]

Oh no, the characters were fine (for the most part) in ME2. The overarching storyline was the issue.

[warlock22]

Asenza wrote...

Oh no, the characters were fine (for the most part) in ME2. The overarching storyline was the issue.

I thought the story was really epic, but this is the middle of a story and like in most trilogys the middle book or movie isnt the best some times but that is because it is setting up for the third part. But what didnt you like about the story?

[Flamewielder]

The individual character stories were great, making the sideshow villains more interesting then the the main antagonists (i.e. the Collectors/Reapers). I loved ME2, but it felt like a great short story collection and not a novel, like ME1.

Morinth felt like a better, more dangerous opponent than the rather bland collector mooks. ME2's Harbinger had nowhere near the presence of Sovereign in ME1. I think that is whar Asenza's talking about.