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[Dean_the_Young]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

She thinks it could, though I'd say Samara is more concerned with her own issues than other people's.

And what issues are those?

Guilt, assumed responsibility, and obsession.

[CrutchCricket]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't think there's anything more to tell with Samara as a Justicar. You could hear more of her stories, but the same can be done without the job. Being a Justicar forever, and nothing else, doesn't offer much more then fighting bad guys.

Not true. She could be a ticket to seeing more of the Justicar way, not just hearing about it. Sure you could always find another Justicar but why would you want to?

[Vallandriel]

I don't understand why there is more people who support Kasumi than Samara.
This asari is one of the most interesting and paradoxical character of all the others.

She truly deserves this thread, and a place in Mass Effect 3.

[CrutchCricket]

Vallandriel wrote...

I don't understand why there is more people who support Kasumi than Samara.
This asari is one of the most interesting and paradoxical character of all the others.

She truly deserves this thread, and a place in Mass Effect 3.

The two aren't related, nor are they mutually exclusive. I've always liked both. Also do keep in mind posts are hardly true representations of fanbase size.

[schemata]

Vallandriel wrote...

I don't understand why there is more people who support Kasumi than Samara.
This asari is one of the most interesting and paradoxical character of all the others.

She truly deserves this thread, and a place in Mass Effect 3.

Yeah, not so sure about the kasumi> samara statement, but also believe in crickets point above me ^^. That and if samara were a LI id probably go for her over everyone else.

[Ice Cold J]

Happy to hear she's coming back! Even if it is a "leak" confirmation.
Now, I wonder what will happen on the playthrough where I saved Morinth instead...

[gearseffect]

schemata wrote...

Vallandriel wrote...

I don't understand why there is more people who support Kasumi than Samara.
This asari is one of the most interesting and paradoxical character of all the others.

She truly deserves this thread, and a place in Mass Effect 3.

Yeah, not so sure about the kasumi> samara statement, but also believe in crickets point above me ^^. That and if samara were a LI id probably go for her over everyone else.

By the Goddess you have the same thought as I. I really WANT Samara as a LI. The fact that you couldn't get her  in ME2 as a LI but you could try to get her and the way it left the relationship still there and not delt with made me want her more. She's such a Cool character, and she's at the top of my list of LI I want to end the game with. 

Samara had to put up her boitic barriar because she was having a hard time not falling for Shep she couldn't resist his charm!

[Asenza]

How the heck does Snooki Chobot have more posts than Samara?

The code does not allow such injustice. Resurrection!

Anyone have any decent pics of Samara? Or a fanfic? I think there's like two on fanfic.net... such a shame...

[gearseffect]

Fanfic? I may just take that up, considering once I get typing I roll my thoughts right on out, but last time I tried to do fanfic I was such a prefectionist and when people started to point out things to me I gave up on it, but heck I was still a Sr in High School back then. I may just do one again, Depending on if I'm motivated enough or feel like it's something that would be read and worth a poop.

[SlottsMachine]

Not all posts are created equal, quality over quantity. At least that is my theory, and I'm sticking to it. Plus, as much as I like Samara I don't think I have much of an understanding of her.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 07 février 2012 - 06:07 .

[gearseffect]

Anyone know if Shepard can romance Samara in ME3 or if Samara and Shepard's possible relationship from ME2 will be able to carry over and given a true outcome and it's just due?

Because I mean she's like the one that got away, things were left unresolved between her and my Shepard, Samara left my Shepard on the fence It was like a cliffhanger plot line and I want answers to it. Please tell me I'm not the only one who wants this resolved in 3.

[CrutchCricket]

Asenza wrote...

How the heck does Snooki Chobot have more posts than Samara?

The code does not allow such injustice. Resurrection!

Anyone have any decent pics of Samara? Or a fanfic? I think there's like two on fanfic.net... such a shame...

Because er..fine upstanding BSN users like yourself keep posting **** like the underlined.<_< And everyone knows its easier to hate on a character you know nothing about than to admire one that you do.

But anyway. There was some talk of fanfic earlier. I have some vague ideas about it as well. Otherwise... here's a topic. I took Samara on Tali's loyalty mission once because I figured as a Justicar she might have some comments on the trial (sadly this was not the case). What might she have thought of the trial? What decision would she recommend to Shepard regarding the evidence? What opinion would she have on quarian-geth relations and the possibility of war?

I wonder if the code covers "activating murderous AIs"...

[nitefyre410]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Asenza wrote...

How the heck does Snooki Chobot have more posts than Samara?

The code does not allow such injustice. Resurrection!

Anyone have any decent pics of Samara? Or a fanfic? I think there's like two on fanfic.net... such a shame...

Because er..fine upstanding BSN users like yourself keep posting **** like the underlined.<_< And everyone knows its easier to hate on a character you know nothing about than to admire one that you do.

But anyway. There was some talk of fanfic earlier. I have some vague ideas about it as well. Otherwise... here's a topic. I took Samara on Tali's loyalty mission once because I figured as a Justicar she might have some comments on the trial (sadly this was not the case). What might she have thought of the trial? What decision would she recommend to Shepard regarding the evidence? What opinion would she have on quarian-geth relations and the possibility of war?

I wonder if the code covers "activating murderous AIs"...

 

My guess it would be  she would think the Trail itself is a mockery of  justice but that Tali  was also in error for sending Geth parts back to the fleet . 

Taking in to the fact that she heard the  Geth side of the conflict she was most like see the  Quarians as the  party in the wrong.  Being that Geth did not make any aggressive action until after the  Quarians attempted to shut them down.   

[Deventh]

Samara is really awesome and i hope she is possible LI in ME3

Modifié par Deventh, 11 février 2012 - 03:10 .

[CrutchCricket]

nitefyre410 wrote...
My guess it would be  she would think the Trail itself is a mockery of  justice but that Tali  was also in error for sending Geth parts back to the fleet . 

Taking in to the fact that she heard the  Geth side of the conflict she was most like see the  Quarians as the  party in the wrong.  Being that Geth did not make any aggressive action until after the  Quarians attempted to shut them down.   

I think she wouldn't be pleased that the trial was used for political maneuvering but why would she blame Tali for sending the parts? She did do everything correctly, it was Rael who was repairing them to active status. Not to make this about Tali but nothing intrinsic in her actions put the fleet in danger.

As for the geth and quarians, again I'm wondering if the Code covers anything regarding AIs. Does she see the geth as sentient life? And as a more general question, if she were to encounter a situation that the Code did not have specifics for would she resort to the "law of the land" and uphold that unquestionably (unless doing so goes against the code). So, in the example of geth, does the Code say anything about building synthetic servants and what the right course of action is should they rebel? And if it doesn't and quarian law states that it was illegal would she support them them trying to destroy/ reclaim the geth?

[nitefyre410]

CrutchCricket wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
My guess it would be  she would think the Trail itself is a mockery of  justice but that Tali  was also in error for sending Geth parts back to the fleet . 

Taking in to the fact that she heard the  Geth side of the conflict she was most like see the  Quarians as the  party in the wrong.  Being that Geth did not make any aggressive action until after the  Quarians attempted to shut them down.   

I think she wouldn't be pleased that the trial was used for political maneuvering but why would she blame Tali for sending the parts? She did do everything correctly, it was Rael who was repairing them to active status. Not to make this about Tali but nothing intrinsic in her actions put the fleet in danger.

As for the geth and quarians, again I'm wondering if the Code covers anything regarding AIs. Does she see the geth as sentient life? And as a more general question, if she were to encounter a situation that the Code did not have specifics for would she resort to the "law of the land" and uphold that unquestionably (unless doing so goes against the code). So, in the example of geth, does the Code say anything about building synthetic servants and what the right course of action is should they rebel? And if it doesn't and quarian law states that it was illegal would she support them them trying to destroy/ reclaim the geth?

 

Look  like this... If I send you the individual parts to build a say  WMD... now I may send these parts seperately  but the way it is seen is that why would I send something like enriched pultonium to someone and not ask a questions orders or not. Though she is not as culpable  as Rael for actual building  and activating the Geth. Given how dangerous the Geth can be and the history  with the Fleet some blame still falls her shoulders just not the lions share like the Board was trying pull... no that was just  polictal grand standing at its finest.  


As far the AI question that is an interesting question.. how does the Code see AI ... my guess is that is the code itself is so old that it may very not make a distinct considering it  is philisophical in origin.. Life maybe just life to the code not matter the its beginings. 

[CrutchCricket]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Look  like this... If I send you the individual parts to build a say  WMD... now I may send these parts seperately  but the way it is seen is that why would I send something like enriched pultonium to someone and not ask a questions orders or not. Though she is not as culpable  as Rael for actual building  and activating the Geth. Given how dangerous the Geth can be and the history  with the Fleet some blame still falls her shoulders just not the lions share like the Board was trying pull... no that was just  polictal grand standing at its finest.  

I don't know that I agree with the WMD analogy... but even going with it for now, it's not like you, a civilian sending me, another civilian parts to build a bomb and then acting surprised when I in fact build a bomb. Given that the quarians consider the geth their enemy is is perfectly acceptable to send back enemy tech to be studied and it is not unreasonable to expect that said tech will not be used against your own people. The geth are a bit of a special case being made from tech so it's actually a cross between sending tech to study and prisoners to interrogate. Again in the latter you could hardly be held responsible if the prisoner broke out back at HQ and killed everyone, provided  you had taken every precaution in securing said prisoner when he was in your charge.

But this may be derailing too much. If you want we can continue this specific point via PM or take it to the Tali thread (if people there still discuss stuff).

Going back to Samara, I actually didn't know her views on rewriting. Thanks Bogdan. So if she views the geth as sentient then she would see controlling them as slavery.  And I don't think she'd support war, given she knows the geth side of things (they were just fighting for their freedom).

I think the general question of how she acts outside the Code still remains though. If I remember correctly she says the Code has thousands of tenets that covers just about every situation she's likely to encounter. But can it really cover anything? And if not, how does she proceed? Does she defer to the law of the land? Or her best judgement?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 février 2012 - 03:50 .

[Asenza]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Asenza wrote...

How the heck does Snooki Chobot have more posts than Samara?

The code does not allow such injustice. Resurrection!

Anyone have any decent pics of Samara? Or a fanfic? I think there's like two on fanfic.net... such a shame...

Because er..fine upstanding BSN users like yourself keep posting **** like the underlined.<_< And everyone knows its easier to hate on a character you know nothing about than to admire one that you do.

Oh, come now. I can't joke about her appearance? That is the least I could have done. A name can hardly be called hate. I make fun of James Mcslab Vega, but as a fine, upstanding, rational person, I certainly won't let such superficial aspects of their character color my perception of them once more information becomes available.

I was just trying to get a few more posts on this thread, and by God, I've done it!

Modifié par Asenza, 07 février 2012 - 04:12 .

[CrutchCricket]

Asenza wrote...
Oh, come now. I can't joke about her appearance? That is the least I could have done. A name can hardly be called hate. I make fun of James Mcslab Vega, but as a fine, upstanding, rational person, I certainly won't let such superficial aspects of their character color my perception of them once more information becomes available.

I was just trying to get a few more posts on this thread, and by God, I've done it!

Well if that's true, there's nothing to worry about as you are indeed a rational person and aren't among the group I mention.

But this thread needs more discussion. That'll bring in the posts;)
Fanfiction/art also work but are harder to create.

[nitefyre410]

CrutchCricket wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Look  like this... If I send you the individual parts to build a say  WMD... now I may send these parts seperately  but the way it is seen is that why would I send something like enriched pultonium to someone and not ask a questions orders or not. Though she is not as culpable  as Rael for actual building  and activating the Geth. Given how dangerous the Geth can be and the history  with the Fleet some blame still falls her shoulders just not the lions share like the Board was trying pull... no that was just  polictal grand standing at its finest.  

I don't know that I agree with the WMD analogy... but even going with it for now, it's not like you, a civilian sending me, another civilian parts to build a bomb and then acting surprised when I in fact build a bomb. Given that the quarians consider the geth their enemy is is perfectly acceptable to send back enemy tech to be studied and it is not unreasonable to expect that said tech will not be used against your own people. The geth are a bit of a special case being made from tech so it's actually a cross between sending tech to study and prisoners to interrogate. Again in the latter you could hardly be held responsible if the prisoner broke out back at HQ and killed everyone, provided  you had taken every precaution in securing said prisoner when he was in your charge.

But this may be derailing too much. If you want we can continue this specific point via PM or take it to the Tali thread (if people there still discuss stuff).

Going back to Samara, I actually didn't know her views on rewriting. Thanks Bogdan. So if she views the geth as sentient then she would see controlling them as slavery.  And I don't think she'd support war, given she knows the geth side of things (they were just fighting for their freedom).

I think the general question of how she acts outside the Code still remains though. If I remember correctly she says the Code has thousands of tenets that covers just about every situation she's likely to encounter. But can it really cover anything? And if not, how does she proceed? Does she defer to the law of the land? Or her best judgement?

 

 To your first point no need, its not  that huge of issue in the end, just  more of head canon in my case more so then anything else.  



Honestly  I don't think we can   split Samara because it's a code and a way of life as well..  you can't be a Justicar unless fully dedicated to it. What I do think is that it may be open to interpation... what would really  give some insight  would be if met a Justicar  that actually taugh Samara.. her  sensei,  trainer, etc ,etc.    Because I think it really boils down how the Code  see life and then how the Justicar understands that  interpration.    The Code may has work as some  Religous texts... were life is life ... it makes no distinction for how that life came to be alive be it natural or artifical means.   

In the end I think it does come done to her  best judgement, it seems like  Justicars are always studying the  Code to understand it better.. So a young Jusitcar may see  things differently than say a older Jusictar.

[gearseffect]

Samara's last conversation with my Shepard

Samara: You have been a good friend to me.
Shepard: Samara, we have a connection.
Samara: I would not have dreamed that one so young could touch me. But Shepard, you must put the thought from your mind. It can never be.
Shepard: Samara it can be, you just have to open your mind.
Samara: I serve a code stronger and deeper than any feelings. If we survive this mission, my oath to you ends. I will be bound by the code again. That makes a relationship impossible.
Shepard: You've kept tight control for a long time, but you still have needs Samara.
Samara: I have the strength to withstand my own drives Shepard.
Shepard: You don't have to. The galaxy won't end if you find a little happiness.
Samara: You're different from anyone I've met. I think I could find more than happiness with you. But my self-control is who I am. Don't pursue this, please.
Shepard: You've been strong through so much. Now it's your time.
Samara: In another time, another life

This left everything open and unfinished, It's the plotline and relationship I want to be able to figure out. Don't give some half assed excuse and explanation to this

Quistions about Justicar Samara I'd like answers to
1.Does my Shepard have a shot with Samara? If Not Why?
2.Was Samara telling Shepard that there is NO WAY it could work? As it stands it's vague
3.Does the Code forbid having close friends?
4.Does the Code forbid a Justicar from having serious romantic relatoinship?
5.;Once you become a Justicar what happens if you brake the oath?
6.Can a Justicar stop being a Justicar and settle down and retire or does a Justicar have to die a Justicar?
7.Can a Justicar have a sidekick or traveling crime fighting partner?

[Jynthor]

I like Samara, too bad she wants to kill me.