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Asenza wrote...

The codex exists to flesh out details that you wouldn't come across in gameplay. It only exists to provide information for conversations such as this.


"Contrary to popular belief, Ardat-Yakshi are neither extremely rare (around one per cent of asari dwell on the AY spectrum),
nor are they all murderers. Most cultivate and discard countless exploitative or abusive relationships during their legally marginal lives. As a disproportionately wealthy species, asari employ their economic reach and media ownership to hide the AY pathology from the galactic community, placing most Ardat-Yakshi in monitored work programs or seclusion. Only the most aggressive cases are sentenced to sanitaria and prisons or to the execution lists of justicars."


It is clear that the lethality of the disorder (to others) is the only way to differentiate aggressive cases, as evidenced by  the line that, "nor are they all murderers". Keeping 1% of a growing population in food, clothing and shelter for their entire millenia can't be a sustainable financial practice no matter how wealthy the government, so it stands to reason that not all of them are locked up. That would only be feasable if not all of them are deadly to their partners.

Freedom is one thing, a four-hundred year killing spree is another. If Morinth had gotten free and uhh, not killed people, she'd be free to be free. But she didn't. Ultimately it doesn't matter what her original intentions were, because of what she did with her freedom. Morinth is not a freedom fighter. She is just a hedonist that gets high when she kills people.

They were going to lock her up to stop her from killing people. Not because they were infringing on her rights, or because an uncaring government and society looked down on her. They were going to do it because she was a danger to others. She ran away and started killing people, proving them right.

Morinth was wrong.

The codex is an in-universe source of information that has been shown to be wrong on several occasions. Thus it shouldn't be taken as absolute. Not that what you've quoted contradicts me anyway. See "legally marginal lives" and "hide the AY pathogy... placing most ardat-yakshi in monitored work programs or seclusion".

And where did I say that they're all murderers anyway? That was in fact an earlier thought I had, what happens to an ardat-yakshi who doesn't feel like being hidden away or on "monitored work programs" but does not kill- what do the Justicars do in that case? We don't know- but I doubt it involves trying to make it in space-Hollywood. And the monitored work programs thing answers your question about economic sustainability.  It's a cage, no way around that no matter how you sugar coat it.

No, Morinth would not be free even if she hadn't killed. I imagine they would opt for imprisonment as opposed to execution but someone (maybe Samara) would still be hunting her. And what Morinth became doesn't matter to this discussion. I'm not saying "Morinth was right". I'm saying "arday-yakshi are not exactly being treated fairly and if you want to call the Justicars evil, start with that".

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 février 2012 - 05:45 .


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I'll start with that, certainly, then go on from there.

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gearseffect wrote...

Deventh wrote...

We need to spread the Samara love <3 not many people posting here :(
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Where did this screen shot take place at in ME2 I don't remember seeing it or is it fan art?
Wait I know it's my Shepards POV as he Lays Samara on his bed to romance her. Oh Yeah, gigidy, gigidy


Don't know I just found her in G00gl3. It's probably as you say tho. :D

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It's one of the possible shots with Samara if you bring her to the final boss.

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Deventh wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Deventh wrote...

We need to spread the Samara love <3 not many people posting here :(
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Where did this screen shot take place at in ME2 I don't remember seeing it or is it fan art?
Wait I know it's my Shepards POV as he Lays Samara on his bed to romance her. Oh Yeah, gigidy, gigidy


Don't know I just found her in G00gl3. It's probably as you say tho. :D


Ice Cold J wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

The screenshot is from the derelict collector ship mission, when the trap is sprung and one of the squadmates stumbles.

"EDIT"

On second thought, I don't think it is. She lacks the breather mask.


It's at the Collector base.

This is after the baby reaper was defeated and Shepard rolls her over to find out she's still alive.


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Samara is matriarch-stage asari isn't she?

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HolyAvenger wrote...

Samara is matriarch-stage asari isn't she?

Yeah.

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jreezy wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Samara is matriarch-stage asari isn't she?

Yeah.


On the original ME2 page for her it listed her age as, like, 500-something.  But in game she said she's nearly 1000.

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For those wanting a romance, how would you see it progressing beyond ME3?

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HolyAvenger wrote...

Samara is matriarch-stage asari isn't she?


Not really sure, she hints that it is somwhere between 600 and 700, so she's not as close to the big 1000 as some you think. The big question is when do Asari's enter thier Matriach stage of life. When you max out her passive skill in ME2 you do get a message saying that her power now rivals an Asari Matriach which suggests that she isn't a Martiarch yet.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

For those wanting a romance, how would you see it progressing beyond ME3?

What do you mean? Just like any romance in the game i guess. I really hope BW makes her LI in ME3.

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Deventh wrote...
What do you mean? Just like any romance in the game i guess. I really hope BW makes her LI in ME3.

I said beyond ME3. I don't just mean the couple of quick convos and a love scene. I'm saying how would it work after the game between them?

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CrutchCricket wrote...

Deventh wrote...
What do you mean? Just like any romance in the game i guess. I really hope BW makes her LI in ME3.

I said beyond ME3. I don't just mean the couple of quick convos and a love scene. I'm saying how would it work after the game between them?

She continues to be a Justicar, but Shepard is following and helping her? Since she is fully committed to this i don't see it any other way.

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Hmm. Samara would remain a Justicar, obviously. But I'm wondering if it wouldn't be best for that Shepard to stay in one place, secluded and once in a while she can return and they can be together. My only thought for this is "stay where you can't possibly force Samara to kill you because of an injustice."

I don't know. Samara romance isn't on my radar, I just wanted to see what people who did want it thought.

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I'm a paragon... my Shep wouldn't do renegadish things.
That being said, I agree that it's like any other romance. It would all be different. They'd settle down somewhere, with both making occasional excursions/taking missions.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

For those wanting a romance, how would you see it progressing beyond ME3?


Cruising across the galaxy righting wrongs... or removing themselves to somewhere peaceful and trying for a family. I see no reason why Samara should have to atone the rest of her life for her daughters' disorders.

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Oh Samara... =D

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Asenza wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

For those wanting a romance, how would you see it progressing beyond ME3?


Cruising across the galaxy righting wrongs... or removing themselves to somewhere peaceful and trying for a family. I see no reason why Samara should have to atone the rest of her life for her daughters' disorders.


I could see this happening. Shepard and Samara settling down. In terms of Asari to Human years Samara is closer to Shapards age. I could see them maybe having a family together or becoming Space Punisher and Jennifer Blood.

Liara is so young and with her spastic characteristics and drives she has lost  much of what I loved about her. Given how she acted when Shepard was killed, when Shepard died of old age I could see Liara becoming so depressed she kills herself.

I think Sarama and Shaprd could have a life togehter

Anyalizing Samara and Shepard

After killing Morinth
"For Now Shepard have mercy on an old Warrior"

"Shepard I just killed the smartest and bravest of my Daughters, it has been my single goal for nearly 400 years. For the first time in a long time I'm Free, I'm not sure what the feature holds for now I wish to meditate on my life"

Don't rember when

"Shepard I never imaganed I could be touched by one such you"

When Shepard asks about casual sex

"Shepard if I were a Maiden I'd throw you to the groud and have my way with you But I am not. Sex with no meaning or passion has no apeal to me"

The famus scene
"Shepard I belive I could fine more than happiness with you"

at some point I can't remember when

Samara to Shepard "I can resist my own urges"

Sarama wasn't sure she what she wanted and didn't want to act on impulse by letting her or Shepards animal/primal urges do something that really only amounted to seeking comfort in the moment for the moment. Samara wanted to process her feelings and emotions and decide if her and Shepard really had feelings for each other.


I think they could see them finding happyness together

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Deventh wrote...

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@gearseffect I really hope that something happens in ME3 about that. Maybe she and shepard can be together after the Reaper are defeated so that doesn't mean she has to be a permanent squad mate. There is always a way to make this work, but it's all up to BioWare.

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Wait you made the one about no direct linking?

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Asenza wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

For those wanting a romance, how would you see it progressing beyond ME3?


Cruising across the galaxy righting wrongs... or removing themselves to somewhere peaceful and trying for a family. I see no reason why Samara should have to atone the rest of her life for her daughters' disorders.

She's not atoning for the rest of her life... but she is still a Justicar, sworn to seek out injustice and fix it. She's sworn for life. See earlier discussion about whether you can quit. We don't know but it doesn't seem likely.

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I don't know dude maybe the code is out dated and If a Justicar leaves the Order of the Code don't give 2 poops about it,
Samara and Shepard romance for ME3. My Shepard has some unresolved issues there Bioware needs to give me some closure to
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If Bioward does the below (which I fear they may) The Code and Order will demand BW pay for backing out on their word of "All relationships in ME1 and 2 will have a great conclusion to them" I will never give you money.
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And just because
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By Inside-Joke "TRON Effect"

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gearseffect wrote...

I don't know dude maybe the code is out dated and If a Justicar leaves the Order of the Code don't give 2 poops about it,
Samara and Shepard romance for ME3. My Shepard has some unresolved issues there Bioware needs to give me some closure to

What? Code... outdated? That makes no sense. If the code was outdated why would they follow it and why would everyone be so amazed by it?

Besides it's not really the code that forbids her anyway. She just doesn't want to because it's too hard work around. Risk vs reward, savvy?

I was actually thinking of something else about this too, regarding Shepard's nigh-godlike persuasion ability. He can seemingly talk anyone into anything. But then he also (potentially) talks Saren into suicide. But the thing is indoctrination is supposed to be impossible to stop (Shiala and the thorian aside). Then I realized the real reason he succeeded is because some part of Saren desperately wanted to stop, to be free, even if it meant his death. Like Benezia he wasn't fully gone and the part of him that remained untouched really wanted to end it, through any means possible.

With Samara, there' s no indoctrination obviously, but I think the mechanics are similar. Her will is unbreakable. If she decides she can't or shouldn't do something, no amount of pleading or reasoning will sway her. But if some part of her really wants to romance Shepard, then his magical blue/red options can work on that with more success. But as it stands,  you/Shepard/Bioware has to make her want that. So I guess what I'm saying is that it is possible but I think it has to be done this way for it to be consistent with what we know of Samara and the Justicars.