Yeah I hope Samara is a full LI, my Shep was a Paragon as he could be, He only was a d!ck to Cerberus, TIM, and a few others who had P!ss me off royally.
My Shepard is a Colonist, and Sole Survivor of Akuze (well other than Tombs) and He would really like some one who is his equal to find some happiness with before they bit the big one.
Samara is more Sheps age in Asari to Human years,
Liara is rather young and she's not the same person my Shep romanced in ME1.
Jack was poor tormented soul My Shep wanted to help deal with her issues, and be her friend,
Kelly was his main confident, Ash Pissed me off on Horizon,
Tali still bugs me,
Miranda has her pants riding up her @ss and vag and it seems to have only helped make her a total B!tch and her personalty sucked.
Samara please please please be back in ME3 as a full LI and have a full great romance with an ending. I will loose it if the rumors are true.
Samara the Justicar Support Thread
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#952
Posté 02 mars 2012 - 09:37
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Playin' some ME2s. 'Bout to go seduce(/be seduced by) Morinth.
'And Shepard, I do not share this burden lightly. You are the only one I can imagine sharing it with.'
Oh, Samara. WE HAVE A CONNECTION, DAMNIT. ;_________;
'And Shepard, I do not share this burden lightly. You are the only one I can imagine sharing it with.'
Oh, Samara. WE HAVE A CONNECTION, DAMNIT. ;_________;
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Posté 02 mars 2012 - 09:38
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I think Samara and Kelly both got the "LOL, who needs them when we can have MP! Lulz!" treatment in ME3. They're there, but they might as well not be.
Sorry...
Sorry...
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Posté 02 mars 2012 - 09:43
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Samara was totally not on my radar when I played ME2. So I was completely unspoiled when I got to the part when she revealed Morinth as her daughter. That whole confrontation sequence was one of the best moments in the game for me. "Find peace in the embrace of the Goddess." Chills! As others have said, her combination of strength and elegance were fantastic.
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Posté 03 mars 2012 - 09:17
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I don't know what i like more...her boobs or her face.
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Posté 06 mars 2012 - 10:16
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It's-a-me, yorkj86, if anyone remembers me. I deleted my account, but now I'm back.
I've been playing ME3 for a while now, but I haven't encountered Samara yet. I'm really looking forward to it.
I've been playing ME3 for a while now, but I haven't encountered Samara yet. I'm really looking forward to it.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 12:20
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Can we come to consensus on whether we want to allow spoilers in this thread? There's something I urgently want to say, but I don't want to spoil anything for anyone.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 06:28
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Okay, I assume that no one's posting because everyone's playing. It's possible that someone who's taking a break from playing has done the Ardat-Yakshi Monastery mission, so I'll start there. THIS IS A SPOILER ALERT, IN CASE IT ISN'T CLEAR.
First, I had no idea that this would be the mission where I first meet Samara. I thought I would find her on Thessia, and then meet her later at the monastery, when she asks for Shepard's help. In retrospect, though, it makes sense that Shepard would find her at this particular monastery.
I got the feeling that while, as a Justicar, she would be obligated to stop Ardat-Yakshi from escaping one of the monasteries, she was at this particular monastery for a reason. Both of her remaining daughters were there. This made me wonder - was she there to kill them if she had to, or was she there to ensure their safety if something bad had happened to them?
Several times during the mission, I noticed two things from Samara. The first is that, at times, she was unusually quiet. She's not a blabbermouth, but she doesn't mince words. This is her mission, and these are her daughters, so she has a professional and personal investment in the situation. I took this to indicate that she was enduring an enormous amount of emotional agony. The other, is that I noticed that she would pause in her sentences. Samara doesn't do that. She speaks fluidly and tersely. Considering the events of the mission, especially what Rila asks to do, I'm just stunned by Samara's fortitude. Her emotions are showing through, but she composes herself.
Outside the monastery, I was completely surprised by Samara's actions. She wanted to kill herself, so that she wouldn't have to kill her only remaining daughter. In my mind, this is Samara pushing to the extreme any flexibility that the Code has (and it doesn't have much) in an individual Justicar's execution of its tenets. Obviously, if there's no Justicar around, the Code doesn't mean much. In Samara's interpretation of the Code, this was her last resort.
Even though I almost missed it because I was so taken aback by Samara's decision, I chose to take the Paragon interrupt. This causes Shepard to seize Samara, and Falere speaks up. She says that she's willing to stay at the monastery, even in its destroyed state, if it means that her mother gets to live, that they both get to live. Samara accepts that this arrangement fulfils the tenets of the Code.
Samara and Falere were both willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for each other. In my mind, this shows that Samara was a good mother, and that they loved her a lot (and it might show that Morinth was a unique case among her sisters). She was willing to sacrifice herself so that her daughter could escape the Code and be happy, and Falere was willing to sacrifice a life of potential freedom so that her mother could remain alive. I think that it also shows that Samara's interest in her daughters being confined to the monastery was so that they could be free of the Code and Justicars as long as they stay there.
After, Samara says that she will return to Thessia, to help other Justicars in doing what they can to help stop the Reapers. She sends you an e-mail, where she requests that you meet her on the Citadel. I thought this meeting was just way too short, but that may just be because she's my favorite ME character. At any rate, one thing she says at this meeting struck me. She says that the Reaper War may be the end of the Justicar Order. There aren't many Justicars left, due to the sacrifices it demands. Justicars are obligated by the Code to sacrifice their own lives, if it means defending the innocent. She even isn't sure that she'll survive. Still, she outright states that she can't think of anyone else she'd rather see leading the charge against the Reapers. She calls Shepard her friend, and she wishes him/her well. This was the other thing that struck me In ME2, I got the feeling that Samara was just "above" everyone else, not in the sense of superiority, but in the legendary reputation that comes with her station, and her talent with biotics and combat. Yet, here's Samara, humbling herself before Shepard by praising him/her, and frankly, it made me smile, because, in my mind, it's definitely something to be complimented by Samara the Justicar.
Those were my immediate thoughts. After the Monastery mission had finished, I saved, exited the game, and sat for a while in silence thinking about what had happened. I was so surprised that Samara would offer to kill herself like that, but at the same time, in retrospect, it made sense. This was her showing her love for her only remaining daughter, without having to directly disobey the Code.
Unfortunately, the bummer endings pretty much eliminate any chance of Shepard ever seeing Samara again. He'd have to dedicate his life to getting to Thessia, which could be romantic, I guess, but maybe (my) Shepard just wants to see his dearest friend again. Also, I think it'd make a pretty damn good premise for some fanfiction, if anyone's in to that, and if anyone writes. Also, I took a ton of screenshots. Also, that just wasn't enough Samara for this Samara fan.
First, I had no idea that this would be the mission where I first meet Samara. I thought I would find her on Thessia, and then meet her later at the monastery, when she asks for Shepard's help. In retrospect, though, it makes sense that Shepard would find her at this particular monastery.
I got the feeling that while, as a Justicar, she would be obligated to stop Ardat-Yakshi from escaping one of the monasteries, she was at this particular monastery for a reason. Both of her remaining daughters were there. This made me wonder - was she there to kill them if she had to, or was she there to ensure their safety if something bad had happened to them?
Several times during the mission, I noticed two things from Samara. The first is that, at times, she was unusually quiet. She's not a blabbermouth, but she doesn't mince words. This is her mission, and these are her daughters, so she has a professional and personal investment in the situation. I took this to indicate that she was enduring an enormous amount of emotional agony. The other, is that I noticed that she would pause in her sentences. Samara doesn't do that. She speaks fluidly and tersely. Considering the events of the mission, especially what Rila asks to do, I'm just stunned by Samara's fortitude. Her emotions are showing through, but she composes herself.
Outside the monastery, I was completely surprised by Samara's actions. She wanted to kill herself, so that she wouldn't have to kill her only remaining daughter. In my mind, this is Samara pushing to the extreme any flexibility that the Code has (and it doesn't have much) in an individual Justicar's execution of its tenets. Obviously, if there's no Justicar around, the Code doesn't mean much. In Samara's interpretation of the Code, this was her last resort.
Even though I almost missed it because I was so taken aback by Samara's decision, I chose to take the Paragon interrupt. This causes Shepard to seize Samara, and Falere speaks up. She says that she's willing to stay at the monastery, even in its destroyed state, if it means that her mother gets to live, that they both get to live. Samara accepts that this arrangement fulfils the tenets of the Code.
Samara and Falere were both willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for each other. In my mind, this shows that Samara was a good mother, and that they loved her a lot (and it might show that Morinth was a unique case among her sisters). She was willing to sacrifice herself so that her daughter could escape the Code and be happy, and Falere was willing to sacrifice a life of potential freedom so that her mother could remain alive. I think that it also shows that Samara's interest in her daughters being confined to the monastery was so that they could be free of the Code and Justicars as long as they stay there.
After, Samara says that she will return to Thessia, to help other Justicars in doing what they can to help stop the Reapers. She sends you an e-mail, where she requests that you meet her on the Citadel. I thought this meeting was just way too short, but that may just be because she's my favorite ME character. At any rate, one thing she says at this meeting struck me. She says that the Reaper War may be the end of the Justicar Order. There aren't many Justicars left, due to the sacrifices it demands. Justicars are obligated by the Code to sacrifice their own lives, if it means defending the innocent. She even isn't sure that she'll survive. Still, she outright states that she can't think of anyone else she'd rather see leading the charge against the Reapers. She calls Shepard her friend, and she wishes him/her well. This was the other thing that struck me In ME2, I got the feeling that Samara was just "above" everyone else, not in the sense of superiority, but in the legendary reputation that comes with her station, and her talent with biotics and combat. Yet, here's Samara, humbling herself before Shepard by praising him/her, and frankly, it made me smile, because, in my mind, it's definitely something to be complimented by Samara the Justicar.
Those were my immediate thoughts. After the Monastery mission had finished, I saved, exited the game, and sat for a while in silence thinking about what had happened. I was so surprised that Samara would offer to kill herself like that, but at the same time, in retrospect, it made sense. This was her showing her love for her only remaining daughter, without having to directly disobey the Code.
Unfortunately, the bummer endings pretty much eliminate any chance of Shepard ever seeing Samara again. He'd have to dedicate his life to getting to Thessia, which could be romantic, I guess, but maybe (my) Shepard just wants to see his dearest friend again. Also, I think it'd make a pretty damn good premise for some fanfiction, if anyone's in to that, and if anyone writes. Also, I took a ton of screenshots. Also, that just wasn't enough Samara for this Samara fan.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 11:01
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That was a DAMN good mission. I also missed any spoilers on this. The whole setting at first made me feel like I was playing Left 4 Dead, walking around in the dark, while hearing creepy noises just outside of the range of my flashlight. It was so uplifting to see Samara once I made it into an area with some light!
Great observations, Premier. I really like how Samara's personality is so strong and established, that even minor deviations from the usual serenity of hers speak very loudly. At the very end, my breath actually caught. I thought she was going to kill her only surviving daughter. When I saw that paragon interrupt, I scrambled for it! I wish she could've been a squadmate, but I'm glad I got to see her again, regardless. So far, her mission is my favorite of the ME2 squaddie series in terms of delivery and impact.
Great observations, Premier. I really like how Samara's personality is so strong and established, that even minor deviations from the usual serenity of hers speak very loudly. At the very end, my breath actually caught. I thought she was going to kill her only surviving daughter. When I saw that paragon interrupt, I scrambled for it! I wish she could've been a squadmate, but I'm glad I got to see her again, regardless. So far, her mission is my favorite of the ME2 squaddie series in terms of delivery and impact.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 11:30
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Glad to see that you too enjoyed the mission. I hope we get more people in here to discuss what little but substantial Samara material we were given. I'm confused, though. If we eventually go to Thessia, wouldn't that mean we have another opportunity to see Samara?
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 12:33
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You can find the Disciple shotgun on the Ardat-Yakshi Monastery mission. Its flavor text is: "Originally handcrafted for the exclusive use of justicars, the Disciple Shotgun's schematics were finally released to asari commandos after centuries of negotiation. The Disciple uses shells packed with microscale submunitions to deal staggering amounts of damage. Even shielded enemies are stunned by the force of a blast from this weapon."
The second I picked this weapon up on that mission, I knew I had a little bit of headcanon. Samara would give her own Disciple to Shepard, as a token of her friendship, and a show of the trust she places in him.
The second I picked this weapon up on that mission, I knew I had a little bit of headcanon. Samara would give her own Disciple to Shepard, as a token of her friendship, and a show of the trust she places in him.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 12:45
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Nice find! Great headcanon, too. I'll have to remember to pick this up on my NG+.Premier Bromanov wrote...
You can find the Disciple shotgun on the Ardat-Yakshi Monastery mission. Its flavor text is: "Originally handcrafted for the exclusive use of justicars, the Disciple Shotgun's schematics were finally released to asari commandos after centuries of negotiation. The Disciple uses shells packed with microscale submunitions to deal staggering amounts of damage. Even shielded enemies are stunned by the force of a blast from this weapon."
The second I picked this weapon up on that mission, I knew I had a little bit of headcanon. Samara would give her own Disciple to Shepard, as a token of her friendship, and a show of the trust she places in him.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:06
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Wow, you really did a one eighty Premier. What changes between the leaks (which I didn't read, but I know you did) and actually seeing it in game? Was it the nuanced voice acting you mentioned, or something else?
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:24
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Well I really enjoyed what they did with Samara. I was sad she couldn't be on my squad this time a round but I'm glad they gave her somewhat closure in her story. I almost cried at the end of the mission but was relieved when I got the paragon innterupt. I'm also happy that she got more than a cameo, I was nervous about that for a second. It wasn't a huge part but it was good enough for me! 
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:39
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GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
Wow, you really did a one eighty Premier. What changes between the leaks (which I didn't read, but I know you did) and actually seeing it in game? Was it the nuanced voice acting you mentioned, or something else?
I don't really know what we're talking about, specifically. You mean me saying I would be buying ME3? I did some mental reconciling, it would be really off-topic to explain it.
EDIT: As an aside, I'm currently in a foul mood due to the glaringly obvious retcons, double-retcons, and straight-up asspulls done during the mission on Thessia. So, I might need someone to tell me if Samara shows up again at all after meeting her on the Citadel.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 09:55
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Anyone know if the romance attempt in ME2 changes any dialog during the meeting or the citadel?
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 12:15
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SPOILER
If Samara in on Thessia after the Ardat-Yakshi Monatery mission, and Thessia falls to the Reapers, I guess that means Samara is dead, yes? She's quite the fighter, but if the whole planet is Reaper-ified, that doesn't leave much hope for anyone there being alive.
UN-SPOILER
Between Thessia falling, the ass-pulls and lore-devastation on the mission there, and the way that none of the ME2 squadmates have a major role in ME3, I have no more motivation to play the game.
If Samara in on Thessia after the Ardat-Yakshi Monatery mission, and Thessia falls to the Reapers, I guess that means Samara is dead, yes? She's quite the fighter, but if the whole planet is Reaper-ified, that doesn't leave much hope for anyone there being alive.
UN-SPOILER
Between Thessia falling, the ass-pulls and lore-devastation on the mission there, and the way that none of the ME2 squadmates have a major role in ME3, I have no more motivation to play the game.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 11:24
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No one else has anything to say about the mission with Samara?
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 05:13
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VerdantSF wrote...
At the very end, my breath actually caught. I thought she was going to kill her only surviving daughter.
I was in the same boat. My thoughts were, "OMG Dean was right, Samara is crazy."
@Premier
I didn't pick up on a lot of the small details you mentioned. Oh well, something to look for next time. This thread has always been over my head in a way, its been a pleasure to sit back and absorb the many high quality posts. And I can't imagine we wont be hearing from Flame and others at some point.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 05:31
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Spoilers regarding what Samara's doing at the end of ME3 (spoiler text below, highlight to reveal):
She's on Earth, helping push the fight forward. You can choose to talk to her before the final fight. It's up to the player's imagination, then, if she survives long enough for Shepard to make his choice about the Reapers. Of course I think she survives. For me, that also means that Shepard survives, and he's on the same planet with Jack, his LI, and Samara, his true bro, which makes these endings not a total loss.
Okay, just to be sure, because I hit that Paragon interrupt as soon as I saw it - Samara does offer to kill herself for Falere's sake, right? I didn't just imagine this out of shock, right?
She's on Earth, helping push the fight forward. You can choose to talk to her before the final fight. It's up to the player's imagination, then, if she survives long enough for Shepard to make his choice about the Reapers. Of course I think she survives. For me, that also means that Shepard survives, and he's on the same planet with Jack, his LI, and Samara, his true bro, which makes these endings not a total loss.
GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
VerdantSF wrote...
At the very end, my breath actually caught. I thought she was going to kill her only surviving daughter.
I was in the same boat. My thoughts were, "OMG Dean was right, Samara is crazy."
Okay, just to be sure, because I hit that Paragon interrupt as soon as I saw it - Samara does offer to kill herself for Falere's sake, right? I didn't just imagine this out of shock, right?
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 06:03
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Yes that is how it happened, but given the situation as soon as I saw Samara's hand start to move that's where my mind went. Sort of ashamed of it in hindsight.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 11:44
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Well, the way Samara's lines are phrased does intentionally lead you to believe that she's about to shoot her daughter, and then she puts the gun to her own head. They dashed your expectations with dialogue and animation, and I think that's good stuff.
Pity there's so little Samara material in ME3. I get the feeling this thread might be hard to keep on the first two pages or so. IIRC, Flamewielder is European, so he only recently got the game, and he might be absent from the BSN in order to avoid spoilers.
Pity there's so little Samara material in ME3. I get the feeling this thread might be hard to keep on the first two pages or so. IIRC, Flamewielder is European, so he only recently got the game, and he might be absent from the BSN in order to avoid spoilers.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 03:20
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In retrospect, I think it's a little odd that Samara was on Earth at the end of ME3, considering that she's a Justicar, considering that asari space is her primary jurisdiction, and considering that there was Justicar'ing to be done on Thessia. It was comforting for my Shepard, at least, to know that she was safe, and he definitely appreciated that she was helping during the most decisive fight of the war.
