Premier Bromanov wrote...
Okay, I assume that no one's posting because everyone's playing. It's possible that someone who's taking a break from playing has done the Ardat-Yakshi Monastery mission, so I'll start there. THIS IS A SPOILER ALERT, IN CASE IT ISN'T CLEAR.
First, I had no idea that this would be the mission where I first meet Samara. I thought I would find her on Thessia, and then meet her later at the monastery, when she asks for Shepard's help. In retrospect, though, it makes sense that Shepard would find her at this particular monastery.
I got the feeling that while, as a Justicar, she would be obligated to stop Ardat-Yakshi from escaping one of the monasteries, she was at this particular monastery for a reason. Both of her remaining daughters were there. This made me wonder - was she there to kill them if she had to, or was she there to ensure their safety if something bad had happened to them?
Several times during the mission, I noticed two things from Samara. The first is that, at times, she was unusually quiet. She's not a blabbermouth, but she doesn't mince words. This is her mission, and these are her daughters, so she has a professional and personal investment in the situation. I took this to indicate that she was enduring an enormous amount of emotional agony. The other, is that I noticed that she would pause in her sentences. Samara doesn't do that. She speaks fluidly and tersely. Considering the events of the mission, especially what Rila asks to do, I'm just stunned by Samara's fortitude. Her emotions are showing through, but she composes herself.
Outside the monastery, I was completely surprised by Samara's actions. She wanted to kill herself, so that she wouldn't have to kill her only remaining daughter. In my mind, this is Samara pushing to the extreme any flexibility that the Code has (and it doesn't have much) in an individual Justicar's execution of its tenets. Obviously, if there's no Justicar around, the Code doesn't mean much. In Samara's interpretation of the Code, this was her last resort.
Even though I almost missed it because I was so taken aback by Samara's decision, I chose to take the Paragon interrupt. This causes Shepard to seize Samara, and Falere speaks up. She says that she's willing to stay at the monastery, even in its destroyed state, if it means that her mother gets to live, that they both get to live. Samara accepts that this arrangement fulfils the tenets of the Code.
Samara and Falere were both willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for each other. In my mind, this shows that Samara was a good mother, and that they loved her a lot (and it might show that Morinth was a unique case among her sisters). She was willing to sacrifice herself so that her daughter could escape the Code and be happy, and Falere was willing to sacrifice a life of potential freedom so that her mother could remain alive. I think that it also shows that Samara's interest in her daughters being confined to the monastery was so that they could be free of the Code and Justicars as long as they stay there.
After, Samara says that she will return to Thessia, to help other Justicars in doing what they can to help stop the Reapers. She sends you an e-mail, where she requests that you meet her on the Citadel. I thought this meeting was just way too short, but that may just be because she's my favorite ME character. At any rate, one thing she says at this meeting struck me. She says that the Reaper War may be the end of the Justicar Order. There aren't many Justicars left, due to the sacrifices it demands. Justicars are obligated by the Code to sacrifice their own lives, if it means defending the innocent. She even isn't sure that she'll survive. Still, she outright states that she can't think of anyone else she'd rather see leading the charge against the Reapers. She calls Shepard her friend, and she wishes him/her well. This was the other thing that struck me In ME2, I got the feeling that Samara was just "above" everyone else, not in the sense of superiority, but in the legendary reputation that comes with her station, and her talent with biotics and combat. Yet, here's Samara, humbling herself before Shepard by praising him/her, and frankly, it made me smile, because, in my mind, it's definitely something to be complimented by Samara the Justicar.
Those were my immediate thoughts. After the Monastery mission had finished, I saved, exited the game, and sat for a while in silence thinking about what had happened. I was so surprised that Samara would offer to kill herself like that, but at the same time, in retrospect, it made sense. This was her showing her love for her only remaining daughter, without having to directly disobey the Code.
Unfortunately, the bummer endings pretty much eliminate any chance of Shepard ever seeing Samara again. He'd have to dedicate his life to getting to Thessia, which could be romantic, I guess, but maybe (my) Shepard just wants to see his dearest friend again. Also, I think it'd make a pretty damn good premise for some fanfiction, if anyone's in to that, and if anyone writes. Also, I took a ton of screenshots. Also, that just wasn't enough Samara for this Samara fan.
Well i think i feel almost the same and just repeating what you said seems stupid.
It is just sad that they did not intended to even give you an option.
I used only 4 chars in the whole series (except ME3 since they just werent available) wich goes from ME1 only used Garrus as soon as you get him and Liara (and i didnt liked them at all same for the other chars except Wrex) wich changed in ME2 were it was only Samara and Jack never touched the others at all except your forced to do so.
By the point i got Samara in ME2 i was fascinated about her and immediately started to get on her side just to find out in the end that she feels towards you but does not want to "date" you.
In ME3 i hoped that things would change because of all this war going on and i could be happy with her and then comes the letdown as quoted above it was actually one of the best story driven quests i played in the game but as beeing Shepard who feels for her the outcome of everything was not what i expected. I mean clearly as my fav. char in the ME series i hoped for more but what i got there is not even close to what happened in ME2.
When you meet her at the Citadel and she bids you farewell it felt as if she does not want to be with you because of her feelings towards you but i got courious and dug up some old Saves and did a fast run (luckily i found a save where i never dated her probably a 2nd play with jack only or whatever i dunno ^^) i ended the game with jack only and when i get to Samara in ME3 she acts exactly the same even saying the same (well except some parts about her daughter you kill in her loyal mission in ME2).
Wich is irritating.
Are they implying that because you never had a "romance" with her she just acts like that towards Shepard whom she does respect or was there just never anything?
So it seems they did focus mainly on the Main chars and build true romance stuff only for the ones you could actually date in ME1+2 wich saddens me as a gamer and a person i had hoped for a better romance system than the previous ME games i would have even waited some years just to get a game wich meets my expactations from the first ME until the second ME to now.
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That's just more disappointment to toss on the pile.
