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[Premier Bromanov]

gearseffect wrote...

Quistions for all ya Samara fans, what do ya think Samara did for a living before being a Justicar? Ya know other than what we learned about her younger years in ME2.
What do ya think her Bond-Mate did? We know that her bond mate was another Asari, and I've been trying to figure out what Samara's life was like before becoming a Justicar for my Fanfic.

I know she was a great mom, and she had a coffee mug with a picture of her and her kids that said "to the worlds greatest mom", she had a life time subsciption to Asari Fitness or something like that, aswell as a sculpture of her with her bond-mate, a home on Thessia. All this was learned in the info on the Shadow Broker computer, in the LotSB DLC!

She does mention having been a mercenary.  In fact, this is the earliest instance we have of Samara displaying her severe grasp of morality.  Samara's lived so long, though, and asari don't do the same thing their whole lives.  It's so hard to tell.  Something makes me want to say schoolteacher, or artist.  Painter?  Sculptor?  Something that produces excellence from unwavering patience.  What if she sculpted that statue of herself with her bond-mate?  Samara does seem to be quietly religious, so maybe Priestess of Athame, but that's a bit of a stretch.  Samara takes good care of her body.  Doesn't necessarily indicate anything, but maybe athlete?  It's all so much to speculate about.

What do you think?

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 17 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[lomifeh]

Well. She killed one daughter, watched another sacrifice herself, and the was faced with having to kill her last child. She hit her breaking point. Everything she was was because of her daughters so her reaction made sense to me.

[Fenrisfil]

I find the Paragon/Renegade thing interesting when applied to Samara. She judges you on that scale, yet all those instances where you have the choice of giving a criminal a second chance or killing them, killing them is both the Renegade option and what the code would dictate must be done. Likewise, as you push Garrus towards renegade in ME1, your not pushing him towards being a bad person, your pushing him towards doing the kind of thing Samara does, only without the code part behind it. I think Samara is a good example of showing the shades of grey in the system, which considering how the code sees things as black and white makes for an interesting contradiction (Especially with the ME2 system of encouraging you to go full one way or the other, neither of which would be paths Samara would approve of).

[Premier Bromanov]

Samara turns the Paragon/Renegade system on its head. Good, it needed to be done.

[SlottsMachine]

Samara is willing to kill herself as a means to avoid killing Falere, but Shepard can still decide Falere's fate. Is this an oversight on Samara's part, or I supposed its more likely she has decided that whatever Shepard's morality may be at least Falere has better odds with him.

[Fenrisfil]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Samara turns the Paragon/Renegade system on its head. Good, it needed to be done.

I couldn't agree more. Games rely too often such scales and I never liked being penalised for having my own code that diverged from the idea. I was very relieved they adjusted the system in ME3.

[Ashira Shepard]

You know, there is one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb to me in the mission was the fact that when Reaper!Rila strangles Falere...

Not a single muscle is moved by anyone, including Samara.

Unless I'm missing something crucial that just seemed off to me. ._.

On an unrelated and edited note:

Chapter 2 of "Dreaming After Death"

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 17 mars 2012 - 05:41 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Maybe Samara was waiting for Shepard to do something, and Shepard was waiting for Samara to do something. Thus, neither of them did anything.

[Ashira Shepard]

That could work.

[gearseffect]

AshiraShepard wrote...

You know, there is one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb to me in the mission was the fact that when Reaper!Rila strangles Falere...

Not a single muscle is moved by anyone, including Samara.

Unless I'm missing something crucial that just seemed off to me. ._.

On an unrelated and edited note:

Chapter 2 of "Dreaming After Death"

Glad you brought this up, because her lack of involvement when RIla was found was rather troubling to me. It was like some dipstick thought it would be too hard to have more than 2 characters moving in most of that scene.

Also the fact that Shepard grabed Falere and carried her away was odd to me. Why didn't Samara do that?
I was hoping to see Samara draging her daughter away and have Shepard maybe holding of some Banshees for them. Than once they got on the elavator hit the butten, have it show Samara with tears in her eyes and turn away and maybe put her arm on the wall and hide her eyes, so no one can see she's crying or she can't stand to watch her daughter do such a couragus act and give her life for others like she would. Maybe show Falere like it did but have her mom in the scene like I mentioned and maybe have Falere brake down and start crying by her moms legs?

There was so many spots in there that were just overlooked that could have been used to show more of who Samara had been before a Justicar, the person who got barried away for "The Code".

[Premier Bromanov]

"The Reapers have been driven back from this colony, for now. They are many, Shepard, but their forces can falter."

Samara sends badass datapad messages like a boss.

[Premier Bromanov]

Crossposted from another Samara-related thread.



Is it true, Samaratans?  Is she afraid of a relationship with Shepard because she's certain that he/she is the person she could see herself being happy with?

[Ashira Shepard]

That reminds me of this trope - Hope Is Scary

"The Despair Event Horizon has its advantages. Your expectations are no longer dashed. You feel numb — if not comfortably, at least not uncomfortably. And what, after all, can you lose?

But if, in that state, someone inspires you with even a fragment of hope — it is terrifying and often painful. You might start to feel again. You might be in danger of losing something you care about, because you might start to care. Perhaps it was just Heroic BSOD or Jade-Colored Glasses, after all. But then, this might turn out to be the Hope Spot.

Usually just a blip on the road to recovery from the despairing state. Common for the Broken Bird to feel it."

- - - -

I'm kind of inclined to think so, because she's already lost one family in a very tragic manner. Even if she knows she would be happy with Shepard, there's that fear that it will all be taken from her again, and she doesn't believe she could stand the loss a second time.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 18 mars 2012 - 02:21 .

[gearseffect]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Crossposted from another Samara-related thread.



Is it true, Samaratans?  Is she afraid of a relationship with Shepard because she's certain that he/she is the person she could see herself being happy with?

Heh Samara pushing Shepard away like she did, always stuck me like she was afraid of letting him in close, and all that just like that thing says.
Sometimes people don't want to end up feeling the pain of someone they care for being lost, so they try and distence themself from the people they feel the most attached too.

Good god almighty maybe my mom was right I should consider going to school for Behavioral Psychology.

[Premier Bromanov]

You think she fears pain of potential loss? I interpreted that image as saying that Samara fears happiness. If Shepard really is perfect for Samara, it is very tragic. Even though I think Samara's determination is one of her most admirable traits, I'm occasionally tempted to think of what would happen if she were to let Shepard in,

[Pockles]

Hey guys. I have question and I'm too lazy to read through the thread. Please bear with me.

I'm aware that Shepard can hit on Samara in ME2. Despite Samara rejecting him/her like a boss it's still obvious there's emotional stirrings going on there. Does trying to romance Samara in ME2 change her interactions with Shepard in ME3? If so, can I have specifics?

I only ever carried over the ME1 romances but I'm curious to see how this plays out.

[Ashira Shepard]

There is a singular line change in ME3, when you have the conversation with her on the citadel along with her holding Shepard's hand when she says it.

Basically she tells Shepard that time is short, s/he should spend it wisely with those who care for him/her.

[Pockles]

AshiraShepard wrote...

There is a singular line change in ME3, when you have the conversation with her on the citadel along with her holding Shepard's hand when she says it.

Basically she tells Shepard that time is short, s/he should spend it wisely with those who care for him/her.

...That's it?

[Ashira Shepard]

...there's fanfiction.

[Visii]

AshiraShepard wrote...

There is a singular line change in ME3, when you have the conversation with her on the citadel along with her holding Shepard's hand when she says it.

Basically she tells Shepard that time is short, s/he should spend it wisely with those who care for him/her.

Samara: Time is short, Shepard. You shoud spend it wisely with those who care for you.
My Shepard: It's you, Samara, it's youuuuuuuuuu! *throws self at her feet* I'll become a Justicar, give up all worldy posessions! Just let me be with you! I'll become a servant of the Code!
Samara: Shepard, I'm flattered...

[Pockles]

I didn't want Samara to do a complete 180 and bang Shepard in a supply closet while her daughters got chased around by mutant Ardat-Yakshi, but I expected something a little more substantial.

Her dialogue on Earth doesn't change at all?

[Ashira Shepard]

I would be okay with this scenario Visii. /half-joking

And you actually gave me an idea, so thank you.

And to my knowledge, her dialogue on Earth is the same.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 18 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[AxisEvolve]

 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 18 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[gearseffect]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

You think she fears pain of potential loss? I interpreted that image as saying that Samara fears happiness. If Shepard really is perfect for Samara, it is very tragic. Even though I think Samara's determination is one of her most admirable traits, I'm occasionally tempted to think of what would happen if she were to let Shepard in,

Yep indead I took it that way. Maybe not like Pain of lossing people she cares about but fears pain of what she lost and went through when she found love last time.

Look what happened to her the last time she found happiness, she had a bond-mate, mothered 3 children, all turned out to be Ardat-Yakshi, the oldest ran and became addicted to the melding, and a killer/rapist, she hunted her for nearly 400 years, her other 2 daughters live at the Ardat-Yakshi temple, she tries to visit them when she can. Yet they must remain in hiding from the world and the temple is hidden and kept secret,

So yeah she is afraid to find love and happiness she had found it once before and then the doctors told her "things would never be as they were" Her life was changed and she lost lots last time she fell in love, She's afraid of that happening again.

Afraid of loss, pain,  and what happines and love brought her last time around she lost it all. It's all one big tied up bunch of issues in there, all one in the same.

[Ashira Shepard]

Oh! That reminds me Axis. Though unfortunately did not get more shots of her with biotics flared: