2338 réponses à ce sujet

[Ashira Shepard]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Post the screenshot, please? I need evidence.

*after shifting some images to BSN account* Photobucket does not like me exceeding bandwidth so...





That looks like a bit of regret to me.

Also this is about the happiest she looks during the entire conversation:



Though I guess I'd have to watch it again to see if it really follows that script.

Luckily I am a flaming fangirl and have a save directly before talking to her.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 20 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[Premier Bromanov]

That does look a little like regret. She looks almost guilty, like she knows she shouldn't be allowing herself even that level of intimacy. That looks more like a handshake than a hand-hold, though. When I was told that she holds Shepard's hand, I thought it was meant that Samara holds his/her hand between both of hers.

As for Samara's slight smile, that's an important smile. Considering that she keeps herself always composed and outwardly cold, it means a lot.

[Ashira Shepard]

I need to screenshot it again because she steps closer as she reaches out to hold your hand. It's most certainly not a handshake.

And yes, I'm aware the smile is an important one considering how infrequently she does it. 

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 21 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[gearseffect]

Hey everyone I just wanted to let ya know I have finished writing the first chapter to my Fanfic about Shepard and Samara. It's been turning into something a bit bigger than that.
here is a link to it all for ya www.fanfiction.net/s/7944452/1/

Hang in there the first chapter to the spin off is almost done.

Just thought I'd let ya all know.

Oh and yes My Shepard would be ballsy enough to calapse into Samara and try and entrap her for a Kiss!

[Ashira Shepard]

I liked it, although there is something a little off about how your wording things. Repeating the full name of "Jacob Shepard" and specifically saying "Shepard" when just saying "he" would fit better as he's the only character in the 'scene' at that point.

Other than that, I am curious to see where you go with it.

[gearseffect]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I liked it, although there is something a little off about how your wording things. Repeating the full name of "Jacob Shepard" and specifically saying "Shepard" when just saying "he" would fit better as he's the only character in the 'scene' at that point.

Other than that, I am curious to see where you go with it.

Thank you for the feedback will work on refine it all as I am a prefectionist. I supspect that it was due to how I had been writing my tie in from Samara's point of View.

I was exploring the idea of Samara the Person and Samara the Justicar. I think some of it may have ended up carring over into there.

[Ashira Shepard]

Fair enough

Pretty sure I've done that myself.

[Aetius5]

For as much I like Liara, I would probably drop her for Samara. She is so elegant and dedicted to her code, powerful and merciless in battle! I love her combat taunts in ME2, sooooooo hot!!! "Come to me!" - using pull.

[Ashira Shepard]

Welcome Aetius!

I loved her combat taunts as well, particularly the way she says "your life is mine!" when using Reave. I loved that power, it was the anti-everything.

[CrutchCricket]

Well at least Samara's presence in ME3 settled that argument I and some others were having on here before I left, about ardat-yakshi and Justicars. But her appearance felt kind of empty otherwise. And of course there's the endings. Kind of makes it hard to pretend it still matters and get into discussions and the like.

[Ashira Shepard]

The first rule of Mass Effect 3's Endings if you don't talk about Mass Effect 3's Endings.

But I kid. Kind of. Absolutely everything you did is a moot point given how everyone is stranded at Earth. (Unless Indoctrination Theory turns out to be correct, I will be so happy.)

However, it's nice to talk about things whilst completely ignoring what the ending does.

On that note, I seem to recall writing a Halloween oneshot where Samara was going to be a knight errant. It's sitting in my ME folder still unfinished, I might actually get to completing that for this year's October.

[Premier Bromanov]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Well at least Samara's presence in ME3 settled that argument I and some others were having on here before I left, about ardat-yakshi and Justicars. But her appearance felt kind of empty otherwise. And of course there's the endings. Kind of makes it hard to pretend it still matters and get into discussions and the like.

What was the argument?  The ME3 endings are a bummer as far as closure goes, but they're not a total loss, creatively.  In a "good" destroy ending, Samara is stuck on Earth, and Earth is not her jurisdiction.  She may very well be the last Justicar in the galaxy.  What will Samara do?  If you don't want to buy in to the "SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!" condition of the endings, well, yeah.  It's a total loss.

[CrutchCricket]

How does everyone figure "stranded" on Earth or anywhere else for that matter? Remember Arrival and what blowing up a relay really does? Everyone gets wiped out. Everyone except the Normandy, which was going through a relay for some reason. You just get to pick the last color they see before they die. I do have to give the endings credit for one thing though: I never thought anything as complex and multilayered as Mass Effect could be so thoroughly invalidated down to the last detail, in the span of 5 min. Compared to whoever thought this up, the Reapers as we knew them up to this point are amateurs.

Anyway the argument was about non-murderous ardat-yakshi and Justicars quitting. I argued that ardat-yakshi must always be secluded in places like the monastery and Justicars are in it for life. Others seemed to think otherwise. I would say what we see in ME3 validates my points.

[Premier Bromanov]

It depends on how you interpret the nature of the destruction of the relays. "SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE" by itself means something, even if it pisses people off that it's there. In this context, you could argue either way and not be wrong.

During the mission, isn't it mentioned that non-violent Ardat-Yakshi with the mild form of the disease can be released from monasteries for good behavior?

[Visii]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

It depends on how you interpret the nature of the destruction of the relays. "SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE" by itself means something, even if it pisses people off that it's there. In this context, you could argue either way and not be wrong.

During the mission, isn't it mentioned that non-violent Ardat-Yakshi with the mild form of the disease can be released from monasteries for good behavior?

Not released, but go out for a day trip.

[CrutchCricket]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

It depends on how you interpret the nature of the destruction of the relays. "SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE" by itself means something, even if it pisses people off that it's there. In this context, you could argue either way and not be wrong.

During the mission, isn't it mentioned that non-violent Ardat-Yakshi with the mild form of the disease can be released from monasteries for good behavior?

On visits. They're basically allowed shore leave. But's only temporary. Samara herself says "No ardat-yakhshi can exist outside the monastery."

As for the relays they were clearly shown blowing up. If it looked like they disintegrated or just melted into lumps of slag, the "stranded" theory would hold. As it stands, everyone dies with a giant middle finger to everything this series wanted to accomplish.

[Premier Bromanov]

They're shown blowing up, but there's still room for "SPECULATION". In "Arrival", the relay is destroyed catastrophically. Its energy is released in to the area. In ME3, we see the relays being destroyed, but the energy is being passed along. I interpreted it as each relay's energy being used to power the aura of the "signal" of whatever Shepard's decision was. That's why the explosions are the color of the "choice". Every system that has a relay receives the signal. Then, its relay is destroyed harmlessly. If you have high enough EMS, the aura from the Crucible is harmless, except to the Reapers.

That's why I think Samara is stuck on Earth. That's how Shepard survives to gasp. That's how Gilligan & Friends survive being stranded.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 21 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[Ashira Shepard]

I will direct you both to this... since it underscores everything to support the view.

Now shouldn't we be talking about Samara rather than the "lol speculashions" ending? (Ending. Singular. There's not enough variance to justify plural.)

What role would see you Samara playing if she had been able to come with us as part of the crew?

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 21 mars 2012 - 03:00 .

[Premier Bromanov]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I will direct you both to this... since it underscores everything to support the view.

Now shouldn't we be talking about Samara rather than the "lol speculashions" ending? (Ending. Singular. There's not enough variance to justify plural.)

What role would see you Samara playing if she had been able to come with us as part of the crew?

If Samara had been part of the crew, would there be much more to talk about, apart from her reaction to the "Priority" missions?  She'd at least have a personal investment in the Thessia mission, but not as much as Liara does.  I guess Samara would be there as a trustworthy and effective warrior, similar to Ashley.

[Ashira Shepard]

Though I doubt you would find her lying down somewhere with one hell of hangover.

Pretty sure we discussed what Samara would be like on pot in the last thread. 

*ahem* Might've been interesting to take her along on the Thessia mission. Specifically I'm wondering what her outward reaction to it would be and then internal reaction if spoken to about it on the ship.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 21 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[CrutchCricket]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

They're shown blowing up, but there's still room for "SPECULATION". In "Arrival", the relay is destroyed catastrophically. Its energy is released in to the area. In ME3, we see the relays being destroyed, but the energy is being passed along. I interpreted it as each relay's energy being used to power the aura of the "signal" of whatever Shepard's decision was. That's why the explosions are the color of the "choice". Every system that has a relay receives the signal. Then, its relay is destroyed harmlessly. If you have high enough EMS, the aura from the Crucible is harmless, except to the Reapers.

That's why I think Samara is stuck on Earth. That's how Shepard survives to gasp. That's how Gilligan & Friends survive being stranded.

Ok remember how the fleets show up at the end? Literally thousands if not millions of ships all using one relay simultaneously? If one relay is able to transport that much mass (to say nothing of the Reaper fleets, the Crucible and apparently even the whole damn Citadel, a.k.a the "super-relay") how is it that it can't transport energy? Because that's what the "signal" is, just energy of some kind. Relativity would tell us this is nonsense. E=MC^2 and all that. So no I don't think each relay needs to be drained to the point where it barely explodes just to transfer some energy when one of them had no problem transporting just about every artificial object in the galaxy. The relays were fine until they went kablamo and wiped out every solar system they were in.

Edit: Right, well sorry for derailing the thread. Trying to find something Samara-related to talk about. Still bummed about the whole thing.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 21 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Samara would probably be pretty cross with the asari councilor, asari politicians as a whole, and their shadowy government cabal. Their selfishness and apathy cost their species billions of lives. Though, I guess Samara can't do anything about it, if the Justicars are sworn to stay out of asari politics.

[Ashira Shepard]

Okay, that assessment gives me thoughts to work with thank you.

[Premier Bromanov]

Maybe it's just my Boy Scout Shepard speaking, but he'd like to tell the asari to step it up. They are no less intelligent than the salarians, or any other species. Their laziness is purely cultural. They live 1000 years on average, but they mature no slower than humans. An asari is in the prime of her life longer than any other species. Before the Reapers came, the asari were about to exceed the technological level of the protheans. If the asari were to live at the pace of a salarian or human, they could easily help the galaxy recover at a faster rate. My Shepard would hold up Liara, or Matriarch Aethyta's ideals, as something that the asari can aspire to. There's no room to slack off in this new galaxy, and the asari could be its most productive members. There's no time for dancing the days away. It's time to get to work.

I wonder if Samara would accept the ideal of "swords to plowshares". Would she take the Oath of Subsumation to Shepard, if it meant getting the galaxy back on its feet faster?

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 21 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[gearseffect]

On the subject on Ardat-Yakshi living outside of seclusion, In ME3 at the hospital there is an Asari Commando with PTSD talking to an Asari shrink about what she had seen and all that.

If you keep going back to listen to her story the Asari Commando I'm refer to as AsariCom1?
Anyway AsariCom1 tells how there was another Asari in her unit . AsariCom1 had wanted to be more than friends with this Asari but this Asari turned AsariCom1 down due to "She had a medical condition that made it... well impossible" It gives ya a pretty clear idea that AsariCom1's friend was an Ardat-Yakshi who had been allowed to live outside the Monastery and serve in a Unit of Commando's oh yeah and the unit was working on liberating a human colony.

So there seems to be proof of that.

On another note In ME2 Samara had told Shep that there were only 3 Ardat-Yakshi known in existence all were her daughters. She had clearly deceived Shep on that.

So I'm wondering would Samara deceive Shep on other things like the number of Justicars? The true strictness of the Code?
I'm betting the Code is more like a Religion of sorts, and much of it is open to interpretation, and only has a few strict rules one must adhere to.
The Code of a Justicar, an Ancient Order of Great Asari Warriors and Defenders, Protectors of the Innocent and Punishers of the Evil, Also a very Old Path to Spiritual Guidance.

That is the Code and the only Code. It covers every situation one can encounter, because the Code has only a few Rules that Must be fallowed at all times and everything else is open to the individual to decide.