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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

gearseffect wrote...

Ha, this place is great, great company, and fans.

I think this thread feels so lonely, so few other fans!

AshiraShepard wrote...
Can Asari meld with coma patients? Specifically to check if they're still "there." Or something along those lines...

As long as there is some sort of activity inside their head (even if just subconcsiously) I would think so.

Also
a thought I got just as I was writing this - what nickname do you think
Vega would've given Samara had she been a squadmate? He gives nicknames
to everyone. Sparks = Tali. Lola/Loco = Femshep/Dudeshep etc

James would not have a nickname for Samara, because he would be too scared of her!

[Premier Bromanov]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Calling it the strawberry suit has me picturing Samara in an actual strawberry suit. Like...dressed as the fruit.

There is something critically wrong with this image.

EDIT: Thought that just came to me now, though I won't be including it in my writing because I've got the majority of the chapter already written...

Can Asari meld with coma patients? Specifically to check if they're still "there." Or something along those lines...

Also a thought I got just as I was writing this - what nickname do you think Vega would've given Samara had she been a squadmate? He gives nicknames to everyone. Sparks = Tali. Lola/Loco = Femshep/Dudeshep etc

I think that asari probably could mind-join with coma patients.  Asari culture might view it as unethical, though, unless the patient has indicated permission beforehand.  All of the asari who have mind-joined with Shepard have asked his permission first.

As for Vega's nickname for Samara, maybe "Brighteyes"?

[Ashira Shepard]

True. Interesting to think of anyway. Maybe there's an option on their hospital forms

Hah, that would work.

[CrutchCricket]

I prefer the black suit myself. And the melding with a coma patient thing never even occurred to me. Very interesting. See this is the kind of stuff I like about sci-fi or supernatural fiction. Thinking up all these different scenarios where characters use their powers/abilities in ways not dealt with in the work itself. Exploring the boundaries outside the scope of the story.

[Ashira Shepard]

Okay I have the next chapter finished but...somewhat unsure about how I've had Samara act.

Basically at this point, the Reapers are gone, the galaxy is recovering, the mission tied to Samara's Oath is done, Shepard has been comatose for six months and now she's woken up.

Before Shepard wakes, Samara tells her that she's the last of the Justicars now. After Shepard wakes, Samara gives her the golden symbols (which have the same bullet damage from "Fractured Soul") possibly as a means of saying goodbye without directly stating it; she knows Shepard was fond of the golden ones. This manner of farewell is because of indirect nature she acknowledges Shepard's interest of her in ME2 regards ME3. But anyway...

So at the point the chapter ends, Shepard is in the hospital bed, left with her thoughts and is looking at the small case the symbols are in. She doesn't want to fight any more but she doesn't want to be apart from Samara again; something has to give.

Writing, how do u werk?

[Alock1a]

Do we have any Samara signature banners? I'd love one of those!

[Premier Bromanov]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Okay I have the next chapter finished but...somewhat unsure about how I've had Samara act.

Basically at this point, the Reapers are gone, the galaxy is recovering, the mission tied to Samara's Oath is done, Shepard has been comatose for six months and now she's woken up.

Before Shepard wakes, Samara tells her that she's the last of the Justicars now. After Shepard wakes, Samara gives her the golden symbols (which have the same bullet damage from "Fractured Soul") possibly as a means of saying goodbye without directly stating it; she knows Shepard was fond of the golden ones. This manner of farewell is because of indirect nature she acknowledges Shepard's interest of her in ME2 regards ME3. But anyway...

So at the point the chapter ends, Shepard is in the hospital bed, left with her thoughts and is looking at the small case the symbols are in. She doesn't want to fight any more but she doesn't want to be apart from Samara again; something has to give.

Writing, how do u werk?

Are you ignoring the relays shorting out?  'Cuz I don't think anyone's going anywhere without 'em.

[Premier Bromanov]

If you could give Samara an outfit redesign for ME3, what would you do? Nothing that completely conflicts with her character. Something like what was done with Jack, where the physical change indicates a mental change.

[gearseffect]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Okay I have the next chapter finished but...somewhat unsure about how I've had Samara act.

Basically at this point, the Reapers are gone, the galaxy is recovering, the mission tied to Samara's Oath is done, Shepard has been comatose for six months and now she's woken up.

Before Shepard wakes, Samara tells her that she's the last of the Justicars now. After Shepard wakes, Samara gives her the golden symbols (which have the same bullet damage from "Fractured Soul") possibly as a means of saying goodbye without directly stating it; she knows Shepard was fond of the golden ones. This manner of farewell is because of indirect nature she acknowledges Shepard's interest of her in ME2 regards ME3. But anyway...

So at the point the chapter ends, Shepard is in the hospital bed, left with her thoughts and is looking at the small case the symbols are in. She doesn't want to fight any more but she doesn't want to be apart from Samara again; something has to give.

Writing, how do u werk?

Are you ignoring the relays shorting out?  'Cuz I don't think anyone's going anywhere without 'em.

Yes I'd like to know what you plan to do with the relays as It would undoubtably change how I think Shepard and everyone else goes about things.  

As for a nickname for Samara  I can only think of one Vega would maybe give her as it is rather fitting is Erinyes who (If I recall corectly in mythology) was Goddess Of Retribution and she would personaly Punish the Wicked and hunt them down.

As for an outfit change to indacate a mental shift (Like Jack) hmm maybe she would loss the shoulder pads, and her collor wouldn't come up so high. The color would end below her necklace.

Maybe she would have her fingers bare? Instead of gloves her sleaves end  at her wrist ? Maybe she has A part  of armor that extends over the upper side of her hand and ends at her knockles?

Her fingers and hands being exposed, no big color, and lose the huge shoulder pads (if not get rid of them completly maybe give her smaller ones?) shows a sign of mental change.

Aslo I prefer smaller tightnit groups, it has a better sense of comunity and what not. I find anything around excess of 24 people the sense of comunity seems to be lost. Too many people.

[gearseffect]

jreezy wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Also
a thought I got just as I was writing this - what nickname do you think
Vega would've given Samara had she been a squadmate? He gives nicknames
to everyone. Sparks = Tali. Lola/Loco = Femshep/Dudeshep etc

James would not have a nickname for Samara, because he would be too scared of her!

I think he'd call her Zen.

No That is hands down the nickname he'd give Thane.
God dagit Thane, that hurt so much, why? why? And no one on the ship even gets broken up about it, WHY? They got more broken up about almost having to shoot Ash, they acted like Thane never exsisted, it hurt so bad there was no sense of comunity greiving like there was with all the random statistic faces on Tessia, or when Miranda died, or Legion, or Mordin, but Thane no it hurt so bad.

If only I hadn't hasitated when Valern said "Shepard what are you waiting for? He intends to kill us all"
I chose to stand there like a damned idiot and I could have engagued Kai in combat, if I had done so when Thane arrived Kai would have been died and Thane would be alive, we wouldn't have failed at Thessia.

Ok sorry that last part is something I'm working into Breaking Points.  I've said too much.

[Ashira Shepard]

Premier Bromanov wrote...
Are you ignoring the relays shorting out?  'Cuz I don't think anyone's going anywhere without 'em.

How would Samara know she's the last of the Justicars without working relays? 

Yes. In my ending, the mass relay network is still intact, there is no stupid god child, there is no destroy, control or snythesis, the crucible just send sout a signal that disables the reapers and makes them completly vulnerable. And NO, I'm not going into that much depth with it because I don't care. I just want to write an ending where everything isn't doomed.

Now back to my previous wondering about the way Samara is behaving in the chapter...

Shepard has been in a coma on the citadel if that changes anything. (Citadel because she's a Spectre and that's where they found her, again, I don't care, just writing.)

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 27 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[Premier Bromanov]

AshiraShepard wrote...
How would Samara know she's the last of the Justicars without working relays? 

Yes. In my ending, the mass relay network is still intact, there is no stupid god child, there is no destroy, control or snythesis, the crucible just send sout a signal that disables the reapers and makes them completly vulnerable. And NO, I'm not going into that much depth with it because I don't care. I just want to write an ending where everything isn't doomed.

Now back to my previous wondering about the way Samara is behaving in the chapter...

Shepard has been in a coma on the citadel if that changes anything. (Citadel because she's a Spectre and that's where they found her, again, I don't care, just writing.)

Quantum Entanglement Communication still works.

Sounds like very extensive headcanon.  Poor Shepard, poor Samara.  Samara putting more distance between them.  I'd like to think that Samara goes back to Thessia, to help her species rebuild.  Rebuilding is a time for compassion, but also a time for order.  A Justicar would have an interesting role in such a time.  Maybe other asari will be impressed enough to want to join the Order.  Samara would have to be the one to train applicants.  Would she keep the Order as it was, or seize an opportunity to change it, in this new galaxy?  I'd also like to think that she'd encourage her species to step it up and live at a salarian's pace.  The recovering galaxy doesn't need dancers and boozers, it needs engineers and doctors and capable hands.  She can hold up Shepard as an example!

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 27 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[Ashira Shepard]

I thought the Quantum Entanglement Communication stuff only worked between two separately built things? Whatever they're called. Wouldn't that mean they'd need one specifically built on earth to contact one specifically built on Thessia to contact Earth etc? Or did they change that in ME3? :s

Interesting to think of at least. Okay, I guess her behaviour is alright then, I just need to wrap things up with one last chapter.

Though I wonder if Samara would take the opportunity to alter things, to the point where the scenario with Falere could be completely avoided in the first place?

[Premier Bromanov]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I thought the Quantum Entanglement Communication stuff only worked between two separately built things? Whatever they're called. Wouldn't that mean they'd need one specifically built on earth to contact one specifically built on Thessia to contact Earth etc? Or did they change that in ME3? :s

Interesting to think of at least. Okay, I guess her behaviour is alright then, I just need to wrap things up with one last chapter.

Though I wonder if Samara would take the opportunity to alter things, to the point where the scenario with Falere could be completely avoided in the first place?

QEC does need a transmitter and a receiver.  I just find it hard to believe that the asari wouldn't have one in a Doomsday bunker somewhere, or something.  Also, Thessia fell, but so did Earth, technically.  Thessia must still have a resistance.

I'm hesitant to think about Samara changing things.  It just seems to defeat the purpose of having become a Justicar in the first place.  She became a Justicar accepting the Code as-is.  Changing things seems opportunistic.  Maybe she wouldn't change anything.  Maybe she would only add.  I think that's a better alternative.  What to do if a Justicar encounters a situation where taking any action would produce outcomes equally unacceptable to the Code?

[Ashira Shepard]

I'm just curious as to how she would change the Order without having to change certain things about the Code?

And it would be nice if she added "in the event there is no monastery left and there are still Ardat-Yakshi running around, you are advised to capture and re-locate them to a secure place until they can be put back into a monastery."

Shepard could even help rebuilt it.

Dreaming After Death - Chapter 5

[CrutchCricket]

I dreamed about Samara last night. I was Shepard and I was in the hospital after ME3 (don't ask how I fixed the ending nonsense). Everyone wanted me locked up because they thought I was indoctrinated. Samara came in and melded with me and tried to confirm that I wasn't but they didn't listen to her. Later she helped bust me out.

[Premier Bromanov]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I'm just curious as to how she would change the Order without having to change certain things about the Code?

And it would be nice if she added "in the event there is no monastery left and there are still Ardat-Yakshi running around, you are advised to capture and re-locate them to a secure place until they can be put back into a monastery."

Shepard could even help rebuilt it.

Dreaming After Death - Chapter 5

Something similar to that.  Maybe more flexibility of judgment, especially when it comes to Ardat-Yakshi.  Less reliance on killing when there are other solutions available?  On the other hand, it just feels wrong.  The Code is black and white.  It doesn't allow for subtlety or nuance or context.  I don't know how to deal with this.

[gearseffect]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I'm just curious as to how she would change the Order without having to change certain things about the Code?

And it would be nice if she added "in the event there is no monastery left and there are still Ardat-Yakshi running around, you are advised to capture and re-locate them to a secure place until they can be put back into a monastery."

Shepard could even help rebuilt it.

Dreaming After Death - Chapter 5

I was wondering what your stand point is on Ardat-Yakshi? Many seem to think that Ardat-Yakshi have to live in isolation. I tend to see the monastery as a place that they can be live at and some can even earn their way to live outside the monastery in some sort of regulated program. Kind of like a rehabilations place or youth corectional facilty. Just was wondering where you stood on that?

I can't see Samara restructuring the Justicar Order and Code. It would go against everything it is. But that's just my opinion.

[gearseffect]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I'm just curious as to how she would change the Order without having to change certain things about the Code?

And it would be nice if she added "in the event there is no monastery left and there are still Ardat-Yakshi running around, you are advised to capture and re-locate them to a secure place until they can be put back into a monastery."

Shepard could even help rebuilt it.

Dreaming After Death - Chapter 5

I hate hospitals and seeing people hooked up to machines I have no problem being the one in the hospital bed, but others uggha  I get shivers uggh It one of the few things that makes me shiver no matter if it's in real life, a book, game, show, movie, or any place, it makes me shiver all the same. SPOILER No wonder Thane's death in ME3 was the one that hit me most. END SPOILER

That chapter was great, the scene with Garrus while Ashira is in a coma was so heartfelt and done so well.

I have to say I'm one in favor of making a way to get the ending you want. With Samara being the last Justicar maybe it's time for her to retire? Spend time with her daughter Falere. And find that more than happiness with Ashira? It's your choice YOUR SHEPARD"S STORY end it how you want, I doubt BW will give many of us the ending we want most, so End it how you want.

Also in ME3 you have Wrex alive? I was wondering what he says to a FemShep when he says this to my DudeShep "Wait Shepard, whatever happens I want you to know that you have been a friend and champian to the Krogan from this day on for all Krogan the word Shepard will mean Hero. And Most of all You've been a brother to me"
What does he say to a FemShep? She's been a sister to him?  

Any way great read and Samara walking away like that. Maybe have Ashira say "Samara know this I will come for you" like Samara says in ME. Then when Ashira gets released from the hospital she goes to find Samara with Falere? It's aslo the first place she goes to look for her at too?


EDIT the Code is black and white yes, but it's open to interpratation too I think. The black and white is in the sense of what is good and evil, and what is right and wrong, and the punishment due to those acts.

Everything else is open and not really a concern.

Modifié par gearseffect, 28 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[Premier Bromanov]

I think it would have been cool if Samara could show up in the black-and-white "memories" sequence at the end of ME3, especially if you attempted to romance her, and romanced no one else. Yeah, Liara is pretty cool, but Samara would have a better place in the sequence in this context.

[Premier Bromanov]

I just noticed something on the ME Wiki that really bothers me.  On the entry for "Justicar", at the bottom, someone wrote that Justicars are obligated to commit suicide if they break the Code.  I don't think that's true.  Samara's choice to commit suicide was deeply personal, and specific to her situation.  Samara's choice has nothing to do with Justicars as a whole.  I know that Samara compares herself to a samurai, but thinking there's obligatory ritual suicide for having disobeyed the Code is not the proper conclusion to be drawn from what Samara does/attempts to do.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 28 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Yeah, I read that as well and it did not seem right to me for about the same reasons.

We can't just assume that's what the Code demands, Samara is one Justicar, how she interprets the Code is likely to be at least somewhat different from how others do.

Like the one other Justicar we hear of if you look at the computers in the monastery, Phora was it?

She sounds terrifying and needlessly cruel from what little is spoken of her.

All the things said about Samara before you meet her never made me fear her. I was intrigued, cautious maybe, but I wasn't dreading meeting her.

So yeah, that one instance of Samara choosing suicide isn't definitive piece of evidence. We need more instances of when a Justicar's emotions and the Code conflict to such a degree that there's forced third "option."

EDIT:

Also something I noticed in multiplayer when I finally unlocked an Asari for vanguard class.

In place of "Alliance Training" she had "Asari Justicar" or whatever, but it was definetely "Justicar."

I'm apparently playing a Justicar in multiplayer.

Not sure how to feel about that, Bioware. 

Partly because I'm wondering "Where the f*ck are her head thingies is she's a Justicar?" and then going "NO. YORK WAS RIGHT. IT'S JUST JEWLERY SHE WEARS. MY LIFE IS A LIE."

And then blithely ignoring that in favour of keeping every moment I made the symbols special in tact.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 28 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Also something I noticed in multiplayer when I finally unlocked an Asari for vanguard class.

In place of "Alliance Training" she had "Asari Justicar" or whatever, but it was definetely "Justicar."

I'm apparently playing a Justicar in multiplayer.

Not sure how to feel about that, Bioware. 

Partly because I'm wondering "Where the f*ck are her head thingies is she's a Justicar?" and then going "NO. YORK WAS RIGHT. IT'S JUST JEWLERY SHE WEARS. MY LIFE IS A LIE."

And then blithely ignoring that in favour of keeping every moment I made the symbols special in tact.

I would not take the Asari MP character's class name seriously. I think it is clear that they are just meant to be Asari commandos and not justicars.

The MP characters are supposed to be a step below Shepard and the rest of the cast in terms of awesomeness, justicar is just too much of a high rank for them.

Also remember that ME3 is the game that made Liara's class skill "Pure biotic".

[gearseffect]

Yeah I wouldn't take the MP Asari Justicar thing seriously either. As all the Asari in MP have the Justicar thing. I unlocked the other Asari class and it hand it.

Ohh I got an idea for your fanfic AshiraShepard. Since Samara is the only remaining Justicar maybe she disbands it, the Path of the Justicar has to be one chosen. The Order don't openly seek recruits, and so Samara sees it as a sign maybe? It was fate that her path and Ashira crossed and they fell in love, and it was fate that the She was the only Justicar left, so she retires and finds peace and happiness with Ashira?