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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mesina2 wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Now you got my mental hamster wheel going.

- - - -

Shepard: *grabs Samara's wrists behind she can pull the trigger*

Samara: *restrained anger* Let. Go.

Shepard: *obviously angry* Do you really expect me to do that?

Samara: *sends her head back into Shepard's nose*

Shepard: *grip loosens out of surprise; nose is bleeding now*

Samara: *gets free, turns to face Shepard with biotics flared*

Shepard: *glaring* If you're going to hurt me, fine. But I won't stop trying to save you even if my arms are legs are broken. *spreads arms*

Samara: *lifts hand*

Shepard: *expression softens* Falere just saw her sister sacrifice herself and lost the home she's had for the last four centuries. Does she really need to see this?

Samara: *pauses, seeming to rethink her actions*

Is this like Renegade Shepard version?

No. It was AshiraShepard's response to this.

Lizardviking wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Now that I think about it, I do
think it's a little odd how easily Samara is subdued by Shepard during
the Ardat-Yakshi Monastery mission. One would think that she'd have
been taught more self-defense than that in Justicar training. Of
course, if she didn't want to escape being subdued, I can see why it might appear she has little self-defense training...

I
would have loved there being more of a struggle between Shepard and
Samara in that scene. And perhaps some romance exclusive content.

I wonder how the scene should be different if Samara was romanced.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Regarding the forehead doodads, it seems that there are several possible explanations:
*They are just jewelry
*They are symbolic of character traits
*They are worn by asari Huntresses

Also, someone claimed that Samara and Liara were born in the asari republic of Armali, but they didn't have a source for their claim.  This would make the forehead doodads symbols of the Armali Republic.

Aww... No love for my theory?

[Visii]

Hey everyone.

We're putting together a list of letters regarding the treatment of the ME2 LI's in ME3. We know a few people going to PAX, so if you have anything to say about Samara,what you liked, what you didn't like and what you'd like to see in the future, PM me and we'll send it along!

[Premier Bromanov]

Visii wrote...

Hey everyone.

We're putting together a list of letters regarding the treatment of the ME2 LI's in ME3. We know a few people going to PAX, so if you have anything to say about Samara,what you liked, what you didn't like and what you'd like to see in the future, PM me and we'll send it along!

The first step would be to get the romance attempt trigger working 100% of the time.  This way, people can actually see that it makes a difference. 

[Visii]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Visii wrote...

Hey everyone.

We're putting together a list of letters regarding the treatment of the ME2 LI's in ME3. We know a few people going to PAX, so if you have anything to say about Samara,what you liked, what you didn't like and what you'd like to see in the future, PM me and we'll send it along!

The first step would be to get the romance attempt trigger working 100% of the time.  This way, people can actually see that it makes a difference. 

O_O ... anything else? Seriously, we're going to send it in. Be nice to have a full outline.

[Premier Bromanov]

Visii wrote...

O_O ... anything else? Seriously, we're going to send it in. Be nice to have a full outline.

The "how" of Samara expressing her feelings for Shepard is largely subjective.  Samara is a distant person, there's no way to get around that.  Samara holding Shepard's hand says a lot without saying too much.

Like other ME2 squadmates in ME3, and ME2 LIs in ME3, I would have liked to see more of Samara.  Failing, that I would have liked to see the "almost-romance" represented in more places in the dialogue.  Even if Samara doesn't allow herself to be interested in Shepard, the romantic interest has been stated.  It's been thrown out there by both of them.  It's the elephant in the room, and I don't think it's given enough time.

Maybe other people have things to say.

[gearseffect]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Gears, Jack's face doesn't show up, either. It's only Anderson, Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara. The .mov files for characters who aren't those four don't even exist.

I know Jack's face don't show either that's why I said I'd like to be able to import my 2nd Shep whose LI was Jack.

I can't stomach it as there is hardly anthing worth it for me to import that Shep, I get no reward for having my LI's all be from ME2.

[Ashira Shepard]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Visii wrote...

O_O ... anything else? Seriously, we're going to send it in. Be nice to have a full outline.

The "how" of Samara expressing her feelings for Shepard is largely subjective.  Samara is a distant person, there's no way to get around that.  Samara holding Shepard's hand says a lot without saying too much.

Like other ME2 squadmates in ME3, and ME2 LIs in ME3, I would have liked to see more of Samara.  Failing, that I would have liked to see the "almost-romance" represented in more places in the dialogue.  Even if Samara doesn't allow herself to be interested in Shepard, the romantic interest has been stated.  It's been thrown out there by both of them.  It's the elephant in the room, and I don't think it's given enough time.

Maybe other people have things to say.

Basically all this. Like how maybe a Shepard who tried to romance Samara would say different things when she tries to shoot herself? (See my post on the last page.)

You'd naturally have a different (stronger?) reaction to someone you're in love with to someone you're just good friends with trying to shoot themselves. The emotions involved would make it so.

Also, if that particular part of the ending remains the same, it would be nice if Samara's face showed up in the "flashbacks" of those characters apparently important to Shepard. Provided the Shepard in question tried to romance her and didn't romance anyone else.

[gearseffect]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Visii wrote...

O_O ... anything else? Seriously, we're going to send it in. Be nice to have a full outline.

Like other ME2 squadmates in ME3, and ME2 LIs in ME3, I would have liked to see more of Samara.  Failing, that I would have liked to see the "almost-romance" represented in more places in the dialogue.  Even if Samara doesn't allow herself to be interested in Shepard, the romantic interest has been stated.  It's been thrown out there by both of them.  It's the elephant in the room, and I don't think it's given enough time.

Maybe other people have things to say.

I agree, more unique dialogue from an attempted romance with Samara.
I'd also like to have an attepted romanced Samara to have this, When Shep stops her from killing herself in ME3, it is a longer scene with her hands restrianed behind her back. She's says
Samara, turing her neck to look into Shep's face "Shepard let me go"
The camera is focused on their faces
Shep "I'm not going to do that, I care about you, and I won't let you hurt yourself"
A look of longing in Shep and a hint of it in Samara's
Camera pulls back to include Falere in the background watching the two
Samara: "If you care then let me......."
Ren interupt Shep Steals a deap kiss, Samara don't fight it and lets her lips lock with his and returns the kiss.
Falere's face lights up at seeing this, a look of hope and happiness for her Mom plays across her face.

Samara then stops the kiss and says "Shepard please not  here...  in front of so many"
Shep stops restraining Samara and lets her free.
Shepard smerking "So you do care, Well then I'll hold you to it. We'll settle this some place else then."
Samara shaking her head in embarisment at the scene unfolding in front of Falere.


Come on, Really that scene does so much, it puts Samara and Shepard
romantic feelings for each other out there for gossip on the Normandy It
happens right in front of Falere too. Shepard is tired of the beating
around the bush act between Samara and Him. OHHH yeah it would be out
there.

EDITED and Updated this part with some of my more recent ideas I've been
working on it includes more referances to the ME2 attempted romance between Samara and Shep.

Then on the Citadel Samara tells Shepard something along the lines of
Samara "Falere said she was happy for me,.. for us"
Shep "So there is an us?"
Samara "Falere seems to think so, She says she hadn't seen me with that look since before my bondmate, her father passed."

Shep
"Samara, you broke down there, putting a gun to your head like that.
You've been alone, strong by yourself for so long. It's taken it's toll
on you. Maybe it's time for you to stop running from happiness, stop
fighting love, stop fighting us."

Samara lets out a sigh of amusement? "Shepard you sound just like Faler."
Shep "How So?"
Samara "running and fighting"
Shep "So she told you to stop fighting love too?"
Samara "Perhaps she said something along those lines"
Shep "Samara your running from it again"
Samara
her voice wavering with sadness and exhausted relief? "Please Shepard
it's just...... it's been...... so long since..... please..." Samara's
composure failing her eyes and jaw, begin trembling

Paragon
interrupt and Shepard goes and embraces Samara in a hug. Samara buries
her head in between Shep's neck and shoulder hiding her unrestrained
tears from anyone who may be watching the two.

Now I feel a bit guilty and terrible, I've shared something I'm working on in my fanfic.
If the other Samara fans in this thread like this idea, and would like to see something like this in ME3, I'm gladly PM it to Visii

Modifié par gearseffect, 31 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Best renegade interrupt ever.

True story.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Having just completed the ending again. Anyone else feel that the farewell with Samara over the vid-com in the London base should be slightly more "intimate" if you romanced her?

Just another place where I feel an extra line or two could be added.

[Premier Bromanov]

Even if the lines were the same, Ms. Baird could make it sound poignant and completely different with her "Samara's subtle sadness" voice.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Even if the lines were the same, Ms. Baird could make it sound poignant and completely different with her "Samara's subtle sadness" voice.

Yes.

[Visii]

Just in case some people missed it, we're putting together a bunch of feedback about the ME2 LIs treatment in ME3, and we're getting people who are going to PAX to try and give it in. So if anyone has a few things to say how the Samara "romance" made them feel, well, here's your chance!

Send me a PM!

[Ashira Shepard]

I should've been sleeping an hour ago. This is what happens when I don't sleep like I should. I watch videos about Femshep and Liara on youtube and I start thinking about all the relationships that can be had and how the ending just shatters all the talk of "adopting krogan babies" or having "lots of little blue children."

But then I have weird thoughts.

Like Samara/Shepard family thoughts.

Discuss! And for the love of the goddess, try to avoid having %95 of whatever conversation this sparks revolving around why it wouldn't happen or work.

[Flamewielder]

I think that our Paragon interrupt is a turning point for Samara. She knowingly warps the Code to rationalize her leaving Falere in the monastery's ruins. Another justicar would have argued that since there is no one left to look after this AY, these ruins are no longer a proper place for Falere and would either have:

1) Executed her, or
2) Taken her offworld to another similar establishment

Samara has restored part of her ties to family, something prohibited by her oath of Solitude. She is no longer considering herself utterly bound by the Code. She has resumed her duties in the galactic war, but may find herself to be the last of her order... I think that, should this happen, she may choose to lay down her guns once the fight is over and let the Justicar Order die with her prior life.

In any event,, I think she'd make a stern but fair headmistress for that monastery, once rebuilt. AY will still need a refuge and help in controlling their urges. They'll need Samara's "tough love", just as they needed Matriarchs Gallea's; and I think Samara could find peace and redemption of a sort as a surrogate mother to the A-Y.

[Premier Bromanov]

Warps, eh? Samara just says that the Code says that an Ardat-Yakshi cannot live outside a monastery. I could get loose with that and still adhere to the Code...

[Flamewielder]

That's what I mean: there is no more monastery on that world. Samara chooses a way out (taking herself out) which the paragon interrupt prevents long enough for Samara to come to her senses and accept a rather flimsy justification to leave Falere in the ruins and walk away to prosecute the war on Thessia.

Samara is SO ready to leave the justicar life behind. Just as she left her former life behind when she took the Oaths. She may still die on Thessia, but assuming she survives, I wouldn't be surprised if she decided to let Justicar Samara die and find a healthier outlet to soothe her inner turmoil and sense of duty as a headmistress to that monastery. I think she'd be ideally suited. Firm, yet fair.

[Premier Bromanov]

No monastery, eh? It's got a few holes in the walls, some charred banshee corpses about, but it's still a monastery.  If it's not clear by now, I'm trying to say that Samara isn't warping the Code so much as she's being flexible with context.

EDIT: And Samara's trapped in Sol system, like everyone else.  That's why we've been discussing what Samara would do, now that she's no longer in asari jurisdiction.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 01 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[gearseffect]

I don't sleep like normal people due to a case of insomnia, Not saying that's what ya got Ash, just that I can understand why one don't get the sleep they should, and end up spending time online.

Yeah the thing about the Relays, I'm with Ash on that. I pretend that they are still intact and working.I can work my head around that, and come up with more satisfactory endings that way.

I'm in favor of Samara and Shepard having kids, and settling down some place.

I think that Samara putting a gun to her head was a turning point for her, She was in her own sort of battle sleep while hunting Morinth, and when meeting Shep she began to awake, yet she decided to try and go back into her battle sleep rather than go visit her daughters.

It wasn't until the Reapers invaded that Samara decided to check on her daughters. After Rila was indoctrinated and gave her life to save everyone else Samara has all sorts of things running through her head like "If she had visited sooner", "Now two of her kids are dead, the Monastery is burnt up and no staff to look after Falere", and "Oh no, the code don't allow Ardat-Yakshi to live on their own without first finding inner peace and salvation through years spent under the Monastery and with the staff's help and guidance"

After being alone in her battle sleep for so long she awoke to find herself faced with so much tragedy, and losing Rila, she wasn't thinking clearly, she just lost it, and that lead to her putting a gun to her head.

Something's gotta change for Samara now, she can't continue on as she had been. After the galaxy is freed from the Reapers,Samara's not the only one who will be changing, it's a time for change for everyone Krogan, Humans, Turians, Quarians, Geth, Salarians, Batarians, Hanar, Javik, and the Asari,

So why not find that "More than Happiness" with Shepard? Why not settle down with Shep, and stay close to Falere? and maybe have some kids with Shep.


Oh No I've done it again, I shared some more insight into my grand plan.

Modifié par gearseffect, 01 avril 2012 - 07:20 .

[Niemalna]

I loved Samara. Wish there was more content. She was the only time I didn't use a F!Shep for a male romance, and then she "rejected" me. xD I agree that there should be more "almost-romance" dialogue and reactions.

[Visii]

This is just another reminder, to all those who romanced a ME2 LI.

We're gathering together feedback about the romances and presenting it at PAX! So, have something to say about the way Jack/Thane/Miranda/Jacob/Samara was treated? Wish you could have seen more of them? Didn't like how the romance turned out?

Send me a PM and your letter will be printed out and presented!

[Premier Bromanov]

Let's say that the Reapers are destroyed, everyone lives, but Shepard dies. As a memorial, Shepard's body will be sent in to space, or buried, whatever, that's not as important as what follows. Shepard's friends are allowed to put an item or two in to his/her coffin. What does Samara put in to the coffin, and why?  Does she put in anything?  If Shepard attempted the romance, are the items different?  Why?

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 02 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[Premier Bromanov]

My answer is that she would put her forehead jewelry and her neckband in to the coffin.

[gearseffect]

Yes the items are always different if they were lovers, something more personal and intimate is required No one is an exception.

For an non romanced Samara just a friend (I'm not going with a gun too many other friends would do that like, Grunt, Zaeed, Jack), she would offer words like "You shall be remembered for being the only person to deliver the galaxy to true salvation. May the Goddess grant you access to the eternal hall reserved true champions of Justice and bringers of Peace"

For a romanced Samara she would wait till everyone had put their stuff in and said their goodbyes and she would give Shepard her Jewelery and her Necklace. then she holds Shepard's hand saying something like "Shepard I can never repay what you have done for Falere and I. I know not where your new journey takes you, yet I know that a part of me has gone on that journey with you. Just as a part of you shall always be next to me as I continue in this Journey. Till we meet again." She then kisses Shepard on the lips a symbolic gesture that forever seals their love. As a tear runs down her eye she wipes it away with Shepard's hand,