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[CrutchCricket]

Isn't Reave different in ME3? I heard it was, at least in terms of gameplay effects. Javik's Dark Channel is the new Reave I think.
I loved Reave in ME2. Always had it as my bonus power, used it more than my infiltrator tech. Headcannon for it was that Shepard always had biotic potential but never had training or amps. Then Lazarus came along and decided to "improve" on certain things. Since he doesn't have the training all biotics do, his power can be unstable so he meditates with Samara during off times to keep it under control and this allows him to develop his own version of Reave. And in ME3 this is changed to Dark Channel when Javik imparts a sense memory to further help him control it.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 03 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[Flamewielder]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

No monastery, eh? It's got a few holes in the walls, some charred banshee corpses about, but it's still a monastery.  If it's not clear by now, I'm trying to say that Samara isn't warping the Code so much as she's being flexible with context.

EDIT: And Samara's trapped in Sol system, like everyone else.  That's why we've been discussing what Samara would do, now that she's no longer in asari jurisdiction.

Then we're essentially agreeing, just using different terms...

I'm saying a different justicar might have argued that these ruins are NO LONGER a monastery, as there is no headmistress, no support staff, no security, etc... to care for the A-Y. Indeed, nothing is left to keep Falere there beyond her stated decision.

Is Samara letting her motherly love and your friendly neighbourhood Shep's compassion influence her interpretation of the Code (or circumstances, which amounts to the same final result)? If so, I'd say it's a good thing...

[Visii]

Just a reminder everyone. If ya want to make your voice heard about how you think Samara’s romance went in ME3 (I wish it went anywhere!) PM me or post here!

http://social.biowar...ndex/10853184/4

I STILL only have 2 letters from Samara fans right now. What, does The Code not allow fans to express themselves about its servants? I know there's a few more of you guys out there!

Passionate, but polite! What did you like, what didn't you like? Were your expectations met regarding how you last saw Samara in ME2? How well do you think Samara was portrayed in ME3? What do you wish was done differently?

Deadline for letters is Thursday 9 PM (EST). Gotta PM it to me or post on the above thread by then so I can be sure it gets printed out!!

Modifié par Visii, 03 avril 2012 - 04:39 .

[Ashira Shepard]

"I STILL only have 2 letters from Samara fans right now. What, does The Code not allow fans to express themselves about its servants? I know there's a few more of you guys out there!"

Because there seem to be only a few of that are vocal enough to be on here in the first place, and even fewer willing to bother because they think bioware won't lift a finger to change anything.

I don't think Bioware will change anything. But it's a nice thought that they might, so I've tried.

If, however, they update a few of the characters because they got a larger number of letters, I am smacking everyone in this thread for not bothering.

*ahem*

And now for a topic because I am hopeless(ly romantic.)

I have a few ideas for possible one-shots, but I'm not sure which to go with first. I was thinking however about Shepard's emotional/mental state post-Reaper War and figured that she would have nightmares regards everything she's seen and done. The dream during the War was stress and loss of allies.

This time it would be more trauma based, like having a recurring nightmare of waking up nearly dead herself surrounded by body parts and viscera. It's like waking up in a morgue.

Anyway, within the context of them being in a relationship, how would you picture Samara reacting to this? Would she simply offer comfort and support or try and get Shepard to confront it directly? Or do you think those two reactions would differ depending on the Shepard she's with?

[Premier Bromanov]

AshiraShepard wrote...

"I STILL only have 2 letters from Samara fans right now. What, does The Code not allow fans to express themselves about its servants? I know there's a few more of you guys out there!"

Because there seem to be only a few of that are vocal enough to be on here in the first place, and even fewer willing to bother because they think bioware won't lift a finger to change anything.

I don't think Bioware will change anything. But it's a nice thought that they might, so I've tried.

If, however, they update a few of the characters because they got a larger number of letters, I am smacking everyone in this thread for not bothering.

*ahem*

And now for a topic because I am hopeless(ly romantic.)

I have a few ideas for possible one-shots, but I'm not sure which to go with first. I was thinking however about Shepard's emotional/mental state post-Reaper War and figured that she would have nightmares regards everything she's seen and done. The dream during the War was stress and loss of allies.

This time it would be more trauma based, like having a recurring nightmare of waking up nearly dead herself surrounded by body parts and viscera. It's like waking up in a morgue.

Anyway, within the context of them being in a relationship, how would you picture Samara reacting to this? Would she simply offer comfort and support or try and get Shepard to confront it directly? Or do you think those two reactions would differ depending on the Shepard she's with?

I would say that Samara would leave Shepard to do it on her own, because, judging from her opinions on Miranda, she seems to think that people ought to deal with personal problems privately.  But, that's not an option in this case.

I want to think that Samara might have some kind of education in psychology from Justicar training.  Even if it is only criminal psychology, it's still psychology

Also, she's been alone with her feelings and emotions for 400+ years.  I simply wouldn't believe it if Samara didn't have her own method of dealing with troubling dreams.  What horrible things Samara must have seen.  She must have had countless nightmares during her lifetime.

Samara is a pragmatic person.  She'd probably think that a nightmare like that, with such clear parallels to the events of the Reaper War, would in some way reflect on Shepard's mental state.  She'd probably go to the heart of the matter and ask Shepard to identify what experiences she thinks might have caused the nightmare.  Then, using insight from that, she'd try to get Shepard to reason her way out of what's troubling her.  The identification part would be the most important part.  I find troubling dreams become a lot less troubling if I can link them to things I've experienced.

EDIT: Also, Samara is a mom.  I don't know why I didn't think of this simple thing.  As sad as it is to say, Samara is a mom, and moms learn from practice how to soothe people.


I wish I knew if Samara was a Siarist or an Athameist.  On the Citadel, she mentions the Goddess in such a way that it makes it sound as if she's religious, so I'm guessing she may be an Athameist.  I wonder why she chooses Athameism, and not Siarism.  Is it because Athameism is "old", Siarism is "new", and Samara is an older asari?  Is it because Samara and the Justicars are traditional?

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 03 avril 2012 - 08:53 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AshiraShepard wrote...

"I STILL only have 2 letters from Samara fans right now. What, does The Code not allow fans to express themselves about its servants? I know there's a few more of you guys out there!"

Because there seem to be only a few of that are vocal enough to be on here in the first place, and even fewer willing to bother because they think bioware won't lift a finger to change anything.

I don't think Bioware will change anything. But it's a nice thought that they might, so I've tried.

If, however, they update a few of the characters because they got a larger number of letters, I am smacking everyone in this thread for not bothering.

I won't make a letter because I am in a way, quite content with what we got. The only improvement that I might want is a different version of the paragon interupt to those that romanced her.

Sorry if that seem selfish to you.

[gearseffect]

WOW I'm so screwed on Reeve in ME3, Kaidan is dead in all my games, and I never had any plans on changing that.

I loved it when Samara said "Your life is mine" her battle lines were so erotic especially "Come to Me" ME3 had no battle lines like that.

I did a letter.

As for the nightmares, and Samara helping Ash deal with 'em maybe she melds their minds while the nightmare is still fresh in Ashira's head. Maybe she see's faces of people Ash lost in the pile of dead bodies and stuff which Ash never noticed, maybe she walks through the nightmare with Ash and tries to help her deal with the source of this things?

Like Bromanov said sometimes Nightmares are easier to deal with if you can find the source.

In this case it's a far more sensitive thing as these nightmares are soldier PTSD type nightmares.
That makes it a whole new monster, and generally something one Soldier is only willing to confide in one of their Brothers in Arms. Friend who served along side them and had been through the same sort of things, a bound forged in the fires of hell is one of the strongest and most unique bonds out there. Every Soldier has their own sort of levels of brothers in arms, some of the bonds are stronger than others generally those are ones between a brother who's served along side them for a longer period of time they've seen more hell together.

Given Ashira and Samara a lovers and their bonds were forged in the fires of Combat, It's not unlikely Ashira would want to confide in Samara.

My Brother was in the military and I've been lucky enough to be a part of those sort of bonds with the men like brothers to him, and many are now like extended family.
Hope that helps.

[Premier Bromanov]

I wouldn't change much. I certainly wouldn't have Samara begging Shepard to take her back. I would have Samara address just a little more her feelings for Shepard. You just don't walk away from saying that someone is unlike anyone you've ever met before, and that you could imagine yourself being happy with them. Especially if you're flawlessly stoic, profoundly tragic, nearly 1000 years old, and have seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 03 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Premier Bromanov wrote...
I would say that Samara would leave Shepard to do it on her own, because, judging from her opinions on Miranda, she seems to think that people ought to deal with personal problems privately.  But, that's not an option in this case.

Heh, well giving you the option to say that doesn't leave much room for further conversation. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

"She wouldn't do anything." [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

"Okay..." [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

And then onto some other topic. 

Premier Bromanov wrote... 
I want to think that Samara might have some kind of education in psychology from Justicar training.  Even if it is only criminal psychology, it's still psychology

Also, she's been alone with her feelings and emotions for 400+ years.  I simply wouldn't believe it if Samara didn't have her own method of dealing with troubling dreams.  What horrible things Samara must have seen.  She must have had countless nightmares during her lifetime.

 

Interesting thought, it's not as if everything she's dealt with could've been as simple as stopping a criminal organization or killing a murderer etc

"If I must kill a man because he has done wrong, do I really wish to know he is a devoted father?"

She'll still kill him because he's done wrong, but then she lives with the knowledge that there are now children missing their father because of her.

Not saying it happened, just that it would be an example of not everything being "black and white" as the Code demands.

Premier Bromanov wrote...  
Samara is a pragmatic person.  She'd probably think that a nightmare like that, with such clear parallels to the events of the Reaper War, would in some way reflect on Shepard's mental state.  She'd probably go to the heart of the matter and ask Shepard to identify what experiences she thinks might have caused the nightmare.  Then, using insight from that, she'd try to get Shepard to reason her way out of what's troubling her.  The identification part would be the most important part.  I find troubling dreams become a lot less troubling if I can link them to things I've experienced. 

 

Reflect on Shepard's mental state? PTSD?

I think maybe the issue with that particular nightmare would be fearing of failure. Defeat. She woke up surrounded by the dead, feeling "like death" herself and has the split second terror of thinking "we've lost." And everyone she knows, everyone who's fighting for their survival, is dead.

Premier Bromanov wrote... 
EDIT: Also, Samara is a mom.  I don't know why I didn't think of this simple thing.  As sad as it is to say, Samara is a mom, and moms learn from practice how to soothe people.

 

That's...actually painful to think about. I guess that's why I offered the other possibility of how she would handle such a thing depending on what kind of Shepard she's with. Not everyone reacts well to the same method. Some just need a friend to listen to them, some will be open to the idea of getting professional help, and others can just be plain "I don't need any help" stubborn.

Premier Bromanov wrote... 
I wish I knew if Samara was a Siarist or an Athameist.  On the Citadel, she mentions the Goddess in such a way that it makes it sound as if she's religious, so I'm guessing she may be an Athameist.  I wonder why she chooses Athameism, and not Siarism.  Is it because Athameism is "old", Siarism is "new", and Samara is an older asari?  Is it because Samara and the Justicars are traditional?

Probably tied to the Justicar's being traditional, she does note them as being "from another era." Perhaps an era where Athameism was more prevalent?

[bool.exe]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

I wouldn't change much. I certainly wouldn't have Samara begging Shepard to take her back. I would have Samara address just a little more her feelings for Shepard. You just don't walk away from saying that someone is unlike anyone you've ever met before, and that you could imagine yourself being happy with them. Especially if you're flawlessly stoic, profoundly tragic, nearly 1000 years old, and have seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.

Exactly my thoughts. Too bad my english isn't good enough to write something more than that -.- 

[Ashira Shepard]

 

Lizardviking wrote...
I won't make a letter because I am in a way, quite content with what we got. The only improvement that I might want is a different version of the paragon interupt to those that romanced her.

Sorry if that seem selfish to you.

I never said anything about it being selfish. 

My letter suggested exactly that, a different version of the paragon interrupt. 

gearseffect wrote...

WOW I'm so screwed on Reeve in ME3, Kaidan is dead in all my games, and I never had any plans on changing that.

I loved it when Samara said "Your life is mine" her battle lines were so erotic especially "Come to Me" ME3 had no battle lines like that.

 

That is what I meant. ^^;;;

gearseffect wrote... 
I did a letter.

 

Good man/girl.

gearseffect wrote... 
As for the nightmares, and Samara helping Ash deal with 'em maybe she melds their minds while the nightmare is still fresh in Ashira's head. Maybe she see's faces of people Ash lost in the pile of dead bodies and stuff which Ash never noticed, maybe she walks through the nightmare with Ash and tries to help her deal with the source of this things?

Like Bromanov said sometimes Nightmares are easier to deal with if you can find the source.

  

Interesting idea, I hadn't thought of that. Sometimes I seem to forget that Asari can do such things...

gearseffect wrote...  
In this case it's a far more sensitive thing as these nightmares are soldier PTSD type nightmares.
That makes it a whole new monster, and generally something one Soldier is only willing to confide in one of their Brothers in Arms. Friend who served along side them and had been through the same sort of things, a bound forged in the fires of hell is one of the strongest and most unique bonds out there. Every Soldier has their own sort of levels of brothers in arms, some of the bonds are stronger than others generally those are ones between a brother who's served along side them for a longer period of time they've seen more hell together.

Given Ashira and Samara a lovers and their bonds were forged in the fires of Combat, It's not unlikely Ashira would want to confide in Samara.

   

That's pretty much what I thought since Shepard - you'd think - would most certainly suffer from it by now. 

And yes, Samara would be the only one she'd feel comfortable actually confiding in.

gearseffect wrote...   
My Brother was in the military and I've been lucky enough to be a part of those sort of bonds with the men like brothers to him, and many are now like extended family.
Hope that helps.

It does, a lot. Thank you

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AshiraShepard wrote...

 

Lizardviking wrote...
I won't make a letter because I am in a way, quite content with what we got. The only improvement that I might want is a different version of the paragon interupt to those that romanced her.

Sorry if that seem selfish to you.

I never said anything about it being selfish. 

My letter suggested exactly that, a different version of the paragon interrupt. 

Oh! I am so sorry!

I just expected hate for saying that I was more or less okay with what I got in the game. Although I can get behind your letter if that is what you are asking.

[Premier Bromanov]

AshiraShepard wrote...


Reflect on Shepard's mental state? PTSD?

I think maybe the issue with that particular nightmare would be fearing of failure. Defeat. She woke up surrounded by the dead, feeling "like death" herself and has the split second terror of thinking "we've lost." And everyone she knows, everyone who's fighting for their survival, is dead.

Is this Shepard waking up after getting blasted with the laser?  Or is this your fic?  Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with your Shepard/Samara fic

[Ashira Shepard]

*cough* Sorry. It's because I'm trying to work out my ideas for oneshots. So technically it is.

But you didn't play to the end.

Shepard gets hit by the laser, looks like hell with melted armour and utterly covered in injuries and blood. She goes in the citadel beam, blacks out for a bit and wakes up in a dark tunnel surrounded by blood and bodies. Then one of the responses to Anderson asking if Shepard alright is to have her say "I feel like death, but I'm moving."

I just can't help but feel that waking up there is not a pleasant thing to have lodged in one's memories.

Like So.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 03 avril 2012 - 10:32 .

[gearseffect]

AshiraShepard wrote..

gearseffect wrote... 
I did a letter.

 
Good man.

There we go.

AshiraShepard wrote..

gearseffect wrote... 
As for the nightmares, and Samara helping Ash deal with 'em maybe she melds their minds while the nightmare is still fresh in Ashira's head. Maybe she see's faces of people Ash lost in the pile of dead bodies and stuff which Ash never noticed, maybe she walks through the nightmare with Ash and tries to help her deal with the source of this things?

Like Bromanov said sometimes Nightmares are easier to deal with if you can find the source.

  

Interesting idea, I hadn't thought of that. Sometimes I seem to forget that Asari can do such things...

gearseffect wrote...  
In this case it's a far more sensitive thing as these nightmares are soldier PTSD type nightmares.
That makes it a whole new monster, and generally something one Soldier is only willing to confide in one of their Brothers in Arms. Friend who served along side them and had been through the same sort of things, a bound forged in the fires of hell is one of the strongest and most unique bonds out there. Every Soldier has their own sort of levels of brothers in arms, some of the bonds are stronger than others generally those are ones between a brother who's served along side them for a longer period of time they've seen more hell together.

Given Ashira and Samara a lovers and their bonds were forged in the fires of Combat, It's not unlikely Ashira would want to confide in Samara.

   

That's pretty much what I thought since Shepard - you'd think - would most certainly suffer from it by now. 

And yes, Samara would be the only one she'd feel comfortable actually confiding in.


It does, a lot. Thank you

Your welcome and now I forgot what I was going to say in here.

Modifié par gearseffect, 03 avril 2012 - 10:36 .

[gearseffect]

AshiraShepard wrote...

*cough* Sorry. It's because I'm trying to work out my ideas for oneshots. So technically it is.

But you didn't play to the end.

Shepard gets hit by the laser, looks like hell with melted around and utterly covered in injuries and blood. She goes in the citadel beam, blacks out for a bit and wakes up in a dark tunnel surrounded by blood and bodies. Then one of the responses to Anderson asking if Shepard alright is to have her say "I feel like death, but I'm moving."

I just can't help but feel that waking up there is not a pleasant thing to have lodged in one's memories.

Like So.

Hey her hair is perfect no damage completly untouched. No bedhead hair, or combat hair of any kind.

Oh Now I remember what it was Breaking Points Chapter 3 No Samara in the chapter plenty of Jack in there and it's tricky but fun writing her Next chapter is underway along with Awakening.

Modifié par gearseffect, 04 avril 2012 - 08:22 .

[Ashira Shepard]

gearseffect wrote...
Hey her hair is perfect no damage completly untouched. No bedhead hair, or combat hair of any kind.

Space magic. 

On a different note I find it amusing to picture Ash-Shepard with bedhead hair.

Also Gears, your link is going into "Edit Story Content."

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 03 avril 2012 - 11:01 .

[Nightdragon8]

Shep needs hair first in order to have bedhead.....

[ExtraBenergy]

I was screaming at the TV when Samara had the gun to her head. thank God for Paragon interrupts
Also in my non imported file (I wanted to see how biowarfare handled all the ME2 squaddies) I sort of shot Samara's daughter, for the hell of it.

[Ashira Shepard]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Shep needs hair first in order to have bedhead.....

Which is why I was talking about my "Ash-Shepard" because she has reasonably long hair. I wasn't talking about default male Shepard. 

[Ashira Shepard]

ExtraBenergy wrote...
Also in my non imported file (I wanted to see how biowarfare handled all the ME2 squaddies) I sort of shot Samara's daughter, for the hell of it.

ExtraBenergy wrote... 
I sort of shot Samara's daughter, for the hell of it. 

 

ExtraBenergy wrote... 
I sort of shot Samara's daughter.

 

ExtraBenergy wrote... 
Shot Samara's daughter.

  

[gearseffect]

AshiraShepard wrote...

ExtraBenergy wrote...
Also in my non imported file (I wanted to see how biowarfare handled all the ME2 squaddies) I sort of shot Samara's daughter, for the hell of it.

ExtraBenergy wrote... 
I sort of shot Samara's daughter, for the hell of it. 

 

ExtraBenergy wrote... 
I sort of shot Samara's daughter.

 

ExtraBenergy wrote... 
Shot Samara's daughter.

  

Yeah this was my reaction too,
ExtraBenergy you must be one heartless jerk to kill Falere like that. I have a 2nd Shep that I play completly oppiste of my main Shep but even that Shep has some lines I just can't cross, In ME1 Wrex never dies, in ME2 Samara never dies and Morinth never lives, in ME3 Falere never gets shot and Samara never pulls the trigger. In ME1 Kaidan always gets left on Virmire too.

[gearseffect]

I was going through my Hard Drive and I found some articles I had copied and save from websites on ME3 and the Samara romance. I'm weird like that I keep all sorts of records on stuff.

I have the website source and stuff in my files but didn't post it (Don't want to get the boot or something so I posted what was relevant) Anyway it was an interview done by a website with a certain shiny white teeth person. There was a part where the Interviewer refereed to ME2 as teasing the fans with Samara/Shepard and asked about the possibility of it in ME3.
White Teeth's reply was this
"That scene between Shepard and Samara at the end of ME2 it's like the giant pink elephant in the room between them. That's something many of the fans have been asking for in ME3. So we plan to really develop that and bring it together in a way that's natural to the characters and at the same time delivers what the fans have been wanting. The Samara romance will be taken care of in ME3"
this was the relevant stuff to Samara and it made me sad. I don't think it was at all taken care of.

[Ashira Shepard]

gearseffect wrote...

"That scene between Shepard and Samara at the end of ME2 it's like the giant pink elephant in the room between them. That's something many of the fans have been asking for in ME3. So we plan to really develop that and bring it together in a way that's natural to the characters and at the same time delivers what the fans have been wanting. The Samara romance will be taken care of in ME3"
this was the relevant stuff to Samara and it made me sad. I don't think it was at all taken care of.

Unless Kindregan was anywhere in that video I think Bioware was throwing an invisible bone. Sounds great! You can almost taste it. But, lolnope.

He put that half-romance in there for a reason, Samara was his creation.

*sigh*

This makes me sad for the same reason. A single - and indirect - line change in dialogue for people who romanced her is not at all "taking care" of it nor is it "really developed."

Bioware, please stop making goals you can't or don't intend to keep. 

[Minimooo]

 First post in this thread, and just thought I'd say  I was looking forward to seeing how "another time, another life would play out" and was really dissapointed how Samara's 'romance' was treated