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[Premier Bromanov]

Aryss0410 wrote...

Hello!

I just stopped by to say that we need much more Samaritan love on the new community project, The Tribute. Please send in your contributions to MassEffectLIA@gmail.com to get your Samara-loving voices heard!

http://social.biowar.../index/11315889

Sad to say, but there's only about 4 of us 'round here.

[Aryss0410]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Aryss0410 wrote...

Hello!

I just stopped by to say that we need much more Samaritan love on the new community project, The Tribute. Please send in your contributions to MassEffectLIA@gmail.com to get your Samara-loving voices heard!

http://social.biowar.../index/11315889

Sad to say, but there's only about 4 of us 'round here.

That just means that we need every single one of you to contribute to get some DLC content for the lovely Samara, aye?

[gearseffect]

Aryss0410 wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Aryss0410 wrote...

Hello!

I just stopped by to say that we need much more Samaritan love on the new community project, The Tribute. Please send in your contributions to MassEffectLIA@gmail.com to get your Samara-loving voices heard!

http://social.biowar.../index/11315889

Sad to say, but there's only about 4 of us 'round here.

That just means that we need every single one of you to contribute to get some DLC content for the lovely Samara, aye?

Here is a break down of How I see things
1. ya got roughly 4 or 5 people fighting for Samara
2.15 to 20 fighting for these characters, Thane, Jack, Garrus, Ashley, Kaidan,
3. and anywhere from 25 to 40 fans fighting for more Miranda, Tali and Liara

I really don't see there being enough demand for Samara to be supplied with new DLC content.

Further more when ya go into other threads and ya see people saying that "Samara is not a LI, it was dealt and done with in ME2. If her fans were truely good fans and liked her they'd just get over it and be happy they can't be with her"

it's all rather heartbreaking for me.

[gearseffect]

Samara fans please post your support for my declaration and rallying call to ya all here in this thread, I want support for Samara and I will be moving forward with the idea in that topic
http://social.biowar.../index/11380220

Samara fans unite with me, I created a group for us We will show our numbers, take a stand, and every Friday I'll have a new group disscussion to encourage fans, and show we are active.

We've been the quite kid in the back of the class room for to long. We've only been overlooked and forgotten about, and I'm going to do something to try and change that all, I'm not going to sit here and watch as other ME character movements pick up spead and ground. I'm going to show that we are a fun and great group to hang with, and we have more numbers than people think.

Modifié par gearseffect, 14 avril 2012 - 07:02 .

[Chromatix]

gearseffect wrote...

We've been the quite kid in the back of the class room for to long. We've only been overlooked and forgotten about, and I'm going to do something to try and change that all, I'm not going to sit here and watch as other ME character movements pick up spead and ground. I'm going to show that we are a fun and great group to hang with, and we have more numbers than people think.

Amen.


I'm starting to hate all that mainstream LIs.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Chromatix wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

We've been the quite kid in the back of the class room for to long. We've only been overlooked and forgotten about, and I'm going to do something to try and change that all, I'm not going to sit here and watch as other ME character movements pick up spead and ground. I'm going to show that we are a fun and great group to hang with, and we have more numbers than people think.

Amen.


I'm starting to hate all that mainstream LIs.

Why? 

I understand that you are upset over the lact of support for Samara, but don't let that spoil your view on the other fanbases!

Can't I support both Liara and Samara?

[gearseffect]

Things are going well with the Samara group less than 24 hours into it and we've got 11 members, would love for more of the regular Samaritans here to join the group
http://social.biowar...arch=&p=2#group

And here is my well for lack of a better term Press Release
http://gearseffect.w...tep-in-my-plan/

[Chromatix]

Lizardviking wrote...

Why? 

I understand that you are upset over the lact of support for Samara, but don't let that spoil your view on the other fanbases!
Can't I support both Liara and Samara?

I think you don't clearly understand what i meant.

I have no problems with fanbases, just all other LI's (especialy mainstream like Miranda, Liara, Tali) considered like a threat by my broken brain.

[Chromatix]

gearseffect wrote...

Things are going well with the Samara group less than 24 hours into it and we've got 11 members, would love for more of the regular Samaritans here to join the group
http://social.biowar...arch=&p=2#group

And here is my well for lack of a better term Press Release
http://gearseffect.w...tep-in-my-plan/

At first i thought:

"We should not strict only by BSN."

But then:

"And where to in that case?"

Maybe you have any ideas?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Chromatix wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Why? 

I understand that you are upset over the lact of support for Samara, but don't let that spoil your view on the other fanbases!
Can't I support both Liara and Samara?

I think you don't clearly understand what i meant.

I have no problems with fanbases, just all other LI's (especialy mainstream like Miranda, Liara, Tali) considered like a threat by my broken brain.

Oh. So why exactly do consider the other LI's a threat then?

[Chromatix]

Lizardviking wrote...

Chromatix wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Why? 

I understand that you are upset over the lact of support for Samara, but don't let that spoil your view on the other fanbases!
Can't I support both Liara and Samara?

I think you don't clearly understand what i meant.

I have no problems with fanbases, just all other LI's (especialy mainstream like Miranda, Liara, Tali) considered like a threat by my broken brain.

Oh. So why exactly do consider the other LI's a threat then?

If i knew the answer... It's just feeling of helplessnes and grief turning into anger or envy.
God damn all theese full-fledged LI's.

Modifié par Chromatix, 14 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Chromatix wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Chromatix wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Why? 

I understand that you are upset over the lact of support for Samara, but don't let that spoil your view on the other fanbases!
Can't I support both Liara and Samara?

I think you don't clearly understand what i meant.

I have no problems with fanbases, just all other LI's (especialy mainstream like Miranda, Liara, Tali) considered like a threat by my broken brain.

Oh. So why exactly do consider the other LI's a threat then?

If i knew the answer... It's just feeling of helplessnes and grief turning into anger or envy.
God damn all theese full-fledged LI's.

I see, but you shouldn't hate on Liara atleast! 

Her and Samara are so ... blue!

[Chromatix]

Lizardviking wrote...

I see, but you shouldn't hate on Liara atleast! 

Her and Samara are so ... blue!

She's stealing the whole blanket developer love 3:<

And there is too much of her in ME3... I was tired of her after the first playthrough already. (And then there were 5 more)

[MrAtomica]

gearseffect wrote...

Further more when ya go into other threads and ya see people saying that "Samara is not a LI, it was dealt and done with in ME2. If her fans were truely good fans and liked her they'd just get over it and be happy they can't be with her"

it's all rather heartbreaking for me.

My Shepard doesn't exactly accept the "get over it" argument, neither in life nor love.

In my own personal rendition of the endings, Shepard lives after the destruction of the Reapers, and the Normandy is not stranded. After settling accounts with his friends and crew, he stays on Earth for a bit to help facilitate the return of the various races (via FTL) to their home systems.

While this is going on, he and Samara build on the obvious tension that she feels between service to the code and a desire to be happy. There is no backing down on her part, at least not then and there. Though Shepard respects her wishes regarding their relationship, he does his best to convey the hows and whys of his feelings. In return, she slowly begins to question her judgement. Ultimately, she decides to return the monastery on Lesuss, where she intends to help Falere rebuild the shattered refuge.

After resolving the situation on Earth to a certain extent, Shepard leaves the rest of the work to those in positions of power, and cashes in on the enormous amount of "leave" he has most certainly earned.

My "epilogue", if it could be called that, has him traveling to Lesuss. Much as she did years before, he swears himself to her 'service', stating that he has no intention of leaving her side, consequences be damned (role reversal!).

Where things go from there is anyone's guess. While I admit I have my own views on the matter, I quite enjoy the notion of an appropriately open-ended ending to a story. I would've prefered that Bioware put more time into Samara's character, but I guess there were more important things to worry about.

Still hoping that the EC at least puts some sort of epilogue scene in the same vein as mine. Don't really care if it has him/her following Samara back to Lesuss, or choosing to stay by her side in her pursuit of justice. Just something that at least gives the possibility of there being more to their relationship than the painfully inadequate hand holding and near kiss. I always got the feeling that there was more to those moments than the games proper physically show.

Not sure if my thoughts really have any meaning to them in context of what you posted, but they kind of encompass my personal interpretation of the story.

Sorry bout the blabber, just wanted you to know that you aren't all alone in here.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 15 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[Cecilia L]

My hopes for ME3 was that at some point Samara would join my squad, if only temporary, and there would be a chance to romance her. At least if you had tried in ME2.

Was disappointed in general how little interaction there was with ME2 squadmembers.

[gearseffect]

MrAtomica wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Further more when ya go into other threads and ya see people saying that "Samara is not a LI, it was dealt and done with in ME2. If her fans were truely good fans and liked her they'd just get over it and be happy they can't be with her"

it's all rather heartbreaking for me.

My Shepard doesn't exactly accept the "get over it" argument, neither in life nor love.

In my own personal rendition of the endings, Shepard lives after the destruction of the Reapers, and the Normandy is not stranded. After settling accounts with his friends and crew, he stays on Earth for a bit to help facilitate the return of the various races (via FTL) to their home systems.

While this is going on, he and Samara build on the obvious tension that she feels between service to the code and a desire to be happy. There is no backing down on her part, at least not then and there. Though Shepard respects her wishes regarding their relationship, he does his best to convey the hows and whys of his feelings. In return, she slowly begins to question her judgement. Ultimately, she decides to return the monastery on Lesuss, where she intends to help Falere rebuild the shattered refuge.

After resolving the situation on Earth to a certain extent, Shepard leaves the rest of the work to those in positions of power, and cashes in on the enormous amount of "leave" he has most certainly earned.

My "epilogue", if it could be called that, has him traveling to Lesuss. Much as she did years before, he swears himself to her 'service', stating that he has no intention of leaving her side, consequences be damned (role reversal!).

Where things go from there is anyone's guess. While I admit I have my own views on the matter, I quite enjoy the notion of an appropriately open-ended ending to a story. I would've prefered that Bioware put more time into Samara's character, but I guess there were more important things to worry about.

Still hoping that the EC at least puts some sort of epilogue scene in the same vein as mine. Don't really care if it has him/her following Samara back to Lesuss, or choosing to stay by her side in her pursuit of justice. Just something that at least gives the possibility of there being more to their relationship than the painfully inadequate hand holding and near kiss. I always got the feeling that there was more to those moments than the games proper physically show.

Not sure if my thoughts really have any meaning to them in context of what you posted, but they kind of encompass my personal interpretation of the story.

Sorry bout the blabber, just wanted you to know that you aren't all alone in here.

What is blabber, Posting a long post like this expressing your thoughts on Samara as a LI, is a GREAT thing, We need more people willing to stand up and say this sort of stuff, and fight for Samara LI in furture DLC, You good man you should be proud of this GREAT long post,

Please continue your support for Samara, and join the fight http://social.bioware.com/group/7244/

Also I've been thinking about creating a Facebookpage for our Movement,

Next, I don't want this to become a fan war, You can support and love all the characters you want, Nothing says you can't have a Shepard who's LI is Liara, and another who only wants Samara.

I'm mearly trying to bring a greater focus to us Samaritans and bring awareness to the fact that there is a huge number of us that want Samara LI DLC, and will fight for it.

I think Us Samaritans tend to be forgetten about for many reasons, I'm pushing for us to show our true numbers and size, show that many of us want more LI Samara content and that Samara has just as many loyal LI fans as any other LI.

[Chromatix]

Samara has just as many loyal LI fans as any other LI.

Honestly, i doubt it. For many reasons, but if when she becomes a full-fledged LI she will have much more of them.

At least, most Samaritans are REALLY devoted fans, unlike theese who say "Yay, Liara is nice. Gonna hit enemies with my krogan btw."

Modifié par Chromatix, 15 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[Pockles]

Samara should be a proper LI. Just saying.

[MrAtomica]

You know, Chromatix, I would actually part of your first premise. I think it's clear that, at least on these boards, she has a far fewer number of vocal supporters. Honestly, I don't see that fact changing, even in the face of DLC that fleshes her character out more.

The reason I say this is because she is a very unique character within Shepard's story. Of every squadmate from the three games, she is easily the most independent. Regardless of how you handle her loyalty mission, regardless of how you handle your interactions with her, she remains very much her own woman. Zaeed and Kasumi are similar, but they both modify their own views and values as a result of Shepard's influence (to some extent). I suspect that they would be further from the independent camp if they featured actual conversations, rather than little snippets of dialogue.

Beyond this, however, she is also a character who occupies a moral extreme. She follows an incredibly concrete code, which she adheres to completely, even to the point of taking her own life. This code, and its relation to her interactions with Shepard, runs counter to what many fans of this series (and indeed, Bioware games in general) have come to expect from their companions.

For most, there is an expectation that their avatar is the planet around which their companions' orbit. With enough effort, and some proactive questing, the squadmate can be changed. No matter how strong their beliefs, how selfish their goals, or how ostensibly disinterested they may be, the protagonist eventually gets through to them. In the case of Liara, Tali, and Garrus, Shepard is quite obviously the most important figure in their lives (family notwithstanding).

Samara isn't like this. Even if Shepard expresses a very direct interest in her, she remains aloof. This makes us gamers get all prickly. We don't like being told that we can't do something, and we really hate being questioned or opposed. It goes against the notion of us shaping our own story, makes us feel like we aren't in command of the situation. Look at Ashley and Kaidan. They have a great many detractors, simply from the fact that they refuse to immediately return to Shepard's side. They certainly have their fans, though I suspect this is partially because of their treatment in ME3. In the end, they come around.

For Samara, there is no fundamental shift in her character. Even when sworn to Shepard's service, she doesn't give up the code. Even though she shows a marked interest in her relationship with Shepard, she doesn't act on it. Even though she knows Shepard's mission is of paramount importance, she does not drop everything to follow him/her again. In contrast, Liara cannot be gotten rid of, even if the player happens to revile her character (She's obviously the writers' pet ). Even further, she is quite obviously madly infatuated with the commander, regardless of any tangible romantic advances ("Suprised your panties haven't caught fire.").

I guess what I'm attempting to say, behind all these brain droppings, is that Samara will never be as popular as other characters in the Mass Effect universe -- this is not just because of the fact that she isn't a full-fledged LI in the same vein as Liara or Tali, but also a simple side-effect of her not being easily "likeable". By that, I mean that she retains an enormous amount of individuality and personal freedom, totally counterpoint to the extreme intimacy of the other. Even "worse", her attatchment to the code grates on our sense of control. We like malleable companions, not ones that deny our power.

Thing is, I actually don't believe that she isn't somewhat affected by Shepard's influence, at least in terms of her being a sorta LI. The almost kiss was about as subtle as a bowling ball to the forehead, and the subtly regretful line on the Citadel gave me pause as well. I think it's clear that her writers wanted to go somewhere with those moments. I would be incredibly excited if they did. She's a fantastic character, and certainly worth the effort. She may not have 1000+ pages of fanart and gushing, but she's got enough depth to make adding to her character a worthwhile venture for the writing team. She may not fill up threads like the others, but goodwill is goodwill, and I doubt that fleshing her out could do anything but create some.

Oh, and thanks for reading, gearseffect! Don't take this post the wrong way. I very much support Samara becoming a full LI, in whatever way that might be. If you wanna organize us forumites into some kind of advocacy group, I'm game. Can't say I would be much use, since I don't use Facebook and can't write worth ****, but I can pester the living daylights out of people pretty well!

And I'm glad that my inevitable walls-o-text aren't gonna be a problem. I tend to say too much while somehow managing to not say much at all. Least that's what my professor's often tell me.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 15 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[gearseffect]

MrAtomica your professor's are dumb@sses, just like my parents and school teachers who all have told me "I'm dumber than an unborn baby" a something along those lines.

Your giant walls of text offer valued insight and the knowledge of a true fan.

Sure Samara may not ever have the fan base that Tali and Miranda does. Sure you'll never have a character get as much attention as Liara, but that don't make me any less deterred.

I think that there are many more of us Samara fans out there that just stay quiet, and don't say much. I'd like to make it known that Samara has a far bigger fan base than anyone thought. I want us to get out there and take part in the many projects for the various other LI's. Because I feel that is the best way to show that we are here and make our voice heard.

IF we can offer up some content for these projects, and make a big enough splash I think Samara stands a good chance at getting some stuff in DLC.

My problem as of now is that there is not many Samara fans taking part in these movements and projects. In the end it will be about supply and demand. I want to at least have a decent showing of demand for Samara content, enough to give some supply to us.

I have an idea for another big step on my part, and it will reflect on the Samara fans positive. As of now I'm waiting for the circumstances to arise where I shall put in motion my next step for us Samaritans!

As a Samara fan I'm right toward the bottom in the peaking order, I want to be up higher. So I shall try my damned hardest to achieve it. Yet I can't achieve it alone as only one fan is not going to gain the attention of the people looking at numbers.


EDIT if you would all like to take part in supporting Samara and take part in these causes I'm talking about here is a link to it
http://social.biowar...ndex/11315889/6

Samara has 3 letters in as of last time I checked, and compaired to what she had yesterday which was 1, we are doing GOOD. I'd love to see Samara have 8 letters at the lest, I'd love to see letters for Samara be above 10.

Modifié par gearseffect, 15 avril 2012 - 06:28 .

[Chromatix]

MrAtomica wrote...

Uh, sometimes it really annoys when people understand my posts differently. Yes, all what you said is indeed true.
But i didn't say "She will have as big fanbase as them mainstream LIs"

Just that there will be more fans. Or, at least, active. I just feel so...

Uggh, right now the whole thread feels like an illegal underground society with few active members. That's unacceptable.

[gearseffect]

Jessica1995 wrote...

So...I know this isn't really on topic..

but today I was playing ME2 on samara's loyalty mission (I glitched in the VIP club) and I was curious to see what would happen if I chose Morinth over Samara (I had never chose that option o.O) and...Samara did die...I think? Her dead body was following me all around Morinth's apartment.

Also yea Samara was with me the ENTIRE time during the mission, even during the conversation w/ Morinth she was clearly seen standing right in-front of Shepard.

Just thought I'd share =D

Your talking about that scene where Morinth starts looking like Samara and talking like her? After Samara is dead that was extremly creepy I thought, it was like I was being shown what I had done wrong and how badly I messed things up.

[Chromatix]

gearseffect wrote...

Your talking about that scene where Morinth starts looking like Samara and talking like her? After Samara is dead that was extremly creepy I thought, it was like I was being shown what I had done wrong and how badly I messed things up.

Well she said that she mastered "looking like Samara", so i wasn't surprised at all.

[Ashira Shepard]

Samara now has another letter for the tribute. *bows out to go sleepin'*