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[7Mak]

If Samara were to be a LI, it would take a lot of finesse to write believable dialogue to facilitate it. And as a fan of great dialogue, I would love to see this done if only to be treated to some fine craftsmanship.

As a character, I think Samara does deserve the opportunity for someone to try and make her happy, even if she is decidedly fatalistic about that scenario. Must that someone be Shepard? I don't know, maybe. But he/she has the most to offer Samara given what we know about how she feels about him/her. She faces down every life/death decision with such an even-keeled temperament, it's quite fascinating. Even regarding her own fate, I mean was there any doubt in our minds, when Samara put that gun to her head, that she would even flinch before pulling the trigger? I wasn't a fan of that particular moment/scenario when I encountered it, but it does, I suppose, further her legendary dedication to her Code. It was primarily done with love for her daughter. Imagine how dedicated she would be in loving someone independent of the Code? Perhaps between her love for her daughters, and her duty to the Code, there is an unquantifiable amount of energy/tension to be released.

[gearseffect]

Since ME1 I've been playing as the same Shepard, with the background of Colonist/Mindoir, and Sole Survivor/Akuze.

Since before ME2 came out my head cannon for that Shepard's reason for joining the Alliance was to do his best and try and save anyone else from experiencing the horror he did on Mindoir.

Then after Akuze he developed this issue where NO one will die on his watch, under his command, or as innocent bystanders. Of course it will never work out that way but for the most part it has worked out rather good for him, until the Alpha Relay incident, and then all the deaths that come in ME3, the random faces on Earth were all bad, but then he goes into space and when his friends and people he knows start dying, well, lets just say that's one of the reasons for choosing "breaking Points" as my Fanfic tittle.

So given that all, I really think it ties in well with being smitten with Samara. Out of anyone he's met Samara is the most like him, She would gladly lay her life down so that others could live, and she also don't hesitate to pull the trigger in tough spots.

Just like my Shepard don't hesitate to pull the trigger, did it with Dr. Kenson, did it in ME3, did it in ME1. Also didn't rewrite the Heretics to big of an unknown, Feared the Reapers implanted tech to keep Heretics indoctrinated, tech that could infect the other Geth.

[Ice Cold J]

I have to say that you all had me scared and depressed. I thought it was an automatic thing that Samara was gonna commit suicide.
When I saw that paragon option come up... I don't think I hit that trigger faster or harder than I ever have in my life.
Now, I'm stoked to know she'll be there at the end.

[Chromatix]

Ice Cold J wrote...

I have to say that you all had me scared and depressed. I thought it was an automatic thing that Samara was gonna commit suicide.
When I saw that paragon option come up... I don't think I hit that trigger faster or harder than I ever have in my life.
Now, I'm stoked to know she'll be there at the end.

This was the most "OH GOD NONONONONONO" moment ever.

Btw, Samara've got 3 letters already.
And that's not enough. Where are you, Samaritans?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Ice Cold J wrote...

I have to say that you all had me scared and depressed. I thought it was an automatic thing that Samara was gonna commit suicide.
When I saw that paragon option come up... I don't think I hit that trigger faster or harder than I ever have in my life.
Now, I'm stoked to know she'll be there at the end.

I have to give Bioware credit when it comes to Samara and her plot.

The confrontation with Morinth in her apartment is one of the very few scenes were I was genuinely scared for my Shepard's safety.

Samara's rejection of my Shepard really nailed it as ME2 being the dark second act, my Shepard felt truly alone at that point.

Samara pulling the gun on herself was one of those moment where I was like "SAMARA?! NOOO!".

[Ice Cold J]

Chromatix wrote...

This was the most "OH GOD NONONONONONO" moment ever.

Btw, Samara've got 3 letters already.
And that's not enough. Where are you, Samaritans?

Right?

And what's up with these "letters" everyone's talking about?

Lizardviking wrote...

I have to give Bioware credit when it comes to Samara and her plot.

The confrontation with Morinth in her apartment is one of the very few scenes were I was genuinely scared for my Shepard's safety.

Samara's rejection of my Shepard really nailed it as ME2 being the dark second act, my Shepard felt truly alone at that point.

Samara pulling the gun on herself was one of those moment where I was like "SAMARA?! NOOO!".

Not being able to romance Samara was one of the realest things in ME for me.

It was one of those instances where you want to have a relationship with someone, but they don't/can't. Didn't like it when it first happened, but not I thikn it's almost poetic. I'd still LOVE to have her as a romance option, but i get why they don't have it now.

[Premier Bromanov]

Chromatix wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

I have to say that you all had me scared and depressed. I thought it was an automatic thing that Samara was gonna commit suicide.
When I saw that paragon option come up... I don't think I hit that trigger faster or harder than I ever have in my life.
Now, I'm stoked to know she'll be there at the end.

This was the most "OH GOD NONONONONONO" moment ever.

Btw, Samara've got 3 letters already.
And that's not enough. Where are you, Samaritans?

These are just general letters about our thoughts on Samara?  Or specifically about her role in ME3?  Or, are we imploring Bioware to give her more content?

[Ashira Shepard]

 The letters this time are basiclly explaining why your Shepard loves the LI of choice, mine for example:

Dear Bioware,

My Ashira Shepard is space born and the Sole Survivor of Akuze. Part of my background for her is that she lost the love of her life on Akuze, along with a lot of friends. This left her damaged and closed off from other people, a “knight in sour armor;” a broken warrior if you will. It was all business for her chasing after Saren. She found a measure of camaraderie with Garrus and Wrex, something that would carry on for far longer than she would’ve thought possible. She could tell Liara was interested in her but the scientist held no place in her personal affections so Ashira stepped carefully around the young Asari.

Waking up in a Cerberus base was not a good start to Ashira’s second life. With the knowledge that Cerberus was behind Akuze, Ashira found herself surrounded by the enemy during the buildup to the Collector assault. She had very few friends and few reasons to trust anyone else on the ship that wasn’t a familiar face. The people she recruited were treated fairly and she extended her hand in aid to them when need be, despite her personal grievances she still acted with compassion.

But when she met Samara, for the first time nine years, Ashira felt attraction for another. She admired Samara’s strength and resolve and found her emotions growing peaceful in the Asari’s presence – this was why she was far calmer and restrained in reaction towards events that would otherwise provoke a volatile response from her. Unlike others under her command, Samara was more than her equal and Ashira spent her free time learning from and conversing with the Asari. They would share ideas on philosophy and religion, eventually speaking outside the confines of their respective duties. For once Ashira felt truly trusting of another, knowing Samara understood exactly what it was like to see that which you cherished most crumble around you without any power to stop it.

The realization that she had fallen for Samara hit Ashira like an anvil, she was terrified of being hurt again. But if there was a chance she could be with Samara, she would definitely take the risk.

The risk in question proved to be painfully real, as even though Samara admitted mutual attraction, almost kissing the young Spectre, nothing but ruffled emotions came of it. Though desperately still in love with the Justicar, Ashira immediately did what she had ample practice in; closing herself up.

The tension between them until the events of Arrival was palpable.

The feeling did not fade away, it did not grow weaker and Ashira could not just forget about it. She had not dared love someone since Akuze and suddenly her heart had been touched again.

So why then, did she not say more, or something different, when Samara tried to kill herself? Why did she not sound more afraid or angrier than a Shepard who was only ever a friend?

Why did she not take Samara’s hand on the Citadel and ask “what do you think I’m doing here?” when Samara told her, eyes downcast, to spend her time wisely “with those who care for you.”

Why didn’t the feelings between a pair of broken warriors matter?

-          (Sophie) AshiraShepard.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 16 avril 2012 - 02:54 .

[Chromatix]

[quote]Premier Bromanov wrote...
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These are just general letters about our thoughts on Samara?  Or specifically about her role in ME3?  Or, are we imploring Bioware to give her more content?
[/quote]

Just tell the story of your Shepard and her(his) relations with Samara.

(We've nearly made it to the first place. Samara - 4, Thane - 5)

[Premier Bromanov]

Oh. I have only one Shepard, and he's with Jack. I can write about his friendship with Samara?

[gearseffect]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Oh. I have only one Shepard, and he's with Jack. I can write about his friendship with Samara?

Yep, I asked Visii that very thing only it was about My dude Shep's friendship with Thane and how it would impact him.

Visii was like "Heck yeah that would be so cool and offer a different prespective", granted that's not the way it was worded but Ya can do that.

Oh I also noticed that the Pistol Samara uses in ME3 is the Phalanx, umm it's the one that she tries to kill herself with. Given in ME2 my Pistol was always the Phalanx, and then in ME3 I continue using it. I was a bit like oh hell no, this sucks.

Cause before ME3 came out, it was sometime after Arrivel DLC, I had came up with this whole headcannon thing  where My Shepard gave Samara his Phalanx pistol when they parted ways.

Given Samara can only use SMG's and Asult rifles in ME2, I kinda thought it was a cool thing to give her my trusty side arm. But I threw that away when I saw she was going to kill herself with a Phalanx, I was well that is getting thown out. I won't have Samara trying to kill herself with a pistol I gave her.

If she had killed herself with the Phalanx and I didn't stop her, I would have ran over grabbed that pistol and put a round in my own vitural Sheps head. It would have broken me for sure, so soon after Mordin's death, then Bailey gettin gut shot, then Thane dies, I'd have been shoting myself.

Anyway long story short I threw that headcannon out when I played ME3, and saw Samara was using a Phalanx to try and off herself.

[Chromatix]

gearseffect wrote...

Cause before ME3 came out, it was sometime after Arrivel DLC, I had came up with this whole headcannon thing  where My Shepard gave Samara his Phalanx pistol when they parted ways.

I really don't understand why is she using a Phalanx btw. It's too common for a Justicar, there are better choices (lore-wise) like Paladin or Justicar-Designed Disciple.

[Ice Cold J]

Anyone know where we can submit said letters?

[Chromatix]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Anyone know where we can submit said letters?

Maan... Did you read Visii's post?

Nevermind: MassEffectLIA@gmail.com

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Totally random but I had this idea constantly nagging in the back of my mind. I wondered how the final part with the Citadel and the showdown with TIM would be if instead of Anderson it was Samara who was with us.

Like what would Samara say against TIM when starts his rant about control? How does TIM mockingly describe Samara? What are Samara's last words to Shepard before she bleeds out?

[Visii]

Love Interest Appreciation Project 2: The Tribute

Current Progress

Art Contributions:

ShepxThane: 54
ShepxGarrus: 4
ShepxMiranda: 15
ShepxKelly: 1
ShepxSamara: 5
ShepxAshley: 16
ShepxJack: 13
ShepxJacob: 1
ShepxKaidan: 18
ShepxTali: 2

Letter Contributions

ShepxThane: 5
ShepxMiranda: 5
ShepxJacob: 2
ShepxSamara: 4
ShepxAshley: 2
ShepxJack: 1
ShepxKaidan: 1
ShepxVega: 1
________________________________________________

We could definitely use a few more pics/fanart, screenshots and letters for Samara! Deadline's the 25th!

http://social.biowar.../index/11315889

Modifié par Visii, 16 avril 2012 - 09:49 .

[warlock22]

7Mak wrote...

If Samara were to be a LI, it would take a lot of finesse to write believable dialogue to facilitate it. And as a fan of great dialogue, I would love to see this done if only to be treated to some fine craftsmanship.

As a character, I think Samara does deserve the opportunity for someone to try and make her happy, even if she is decidedly fatalistic about that scenario. Must that someone be Shepard? I don't know, maybe. But he/she has the most to offer Samara given what we know about how she feels about him/her. She faces down every life/death decision with such an even-keeled temperament, it's quite fascinating. Even regarding her own fate, I mean was there any doubt in our minds, when Samara put that gun to her head, that she would even flinch before pulling the trigger? I wasn't a fan of that particular moment/scenario when I encountered it, but it does, I suppose, further her legendary dedication to her Code. It was primarily done with love for her daughter. Imagine how dedicated she would be in loving someone independent of the Code? Perhaps between her love for her daughters, and her duty to the Code, there is an unquantifiable amount of energy/tension to be released.

This right here is a very believable romance/ending with Samara in ME3. Its not a doctored up as it could be but it done in a very good way. Its all dialogue so it not to long. And this is kind of what I thought might happen, it just fits wit her.
http://collegeage.wo...mance-epilogue/

I hope they do something like this, I would love to see Samara  in a DLC as a full LI and squadmate.

[gearseffect]

I got a quisition or an idea I want to throw out here regarding Samara and her daughters, Rila and Falere,

In the ME2 LotSB DLC, there is a transcript of Samara talking with Rila and Falere. In it when her daughters ask why she don't visit them she says something to the effect of "if I were to come visit you now, I'm afraid I'd never be able to leave again"

Now then, here is my thoughts

Samara is afraid to visit Rila and Falere because she may just end up staying with them. Samara Loves them and cares about them very much.

Next with the near kiss scene in ME2 she tells Shep "I think I could find more than happiness with you." Then she deflects the kiss at the last possible second with her biotic barrier. Then pushes Shepard away.

Then in ME3, when she finally goes to see her daughters. I think likely due to the Reaper Invasion that she decided to visit them just then at that moment. She could have visited them sooner, but didn't. When Samara gets there she discovers that Rila is indoctrinated and kills herself to save Falere and Samara.

Outside Samara attempt to commit suicide. To me her reasoning for attempting that was nonexistent. It seemed when after losing Rila at that moment, all that pushed her over the edge. She broke, and wasn't thinking clearly. When Shep stops her from killing herself later on the Citadel Samara, hints at that all being true not thinking right and all.

OK sorry for that long into but it explaines this part and my reasoning behind it

Here is my thoughts, It seems Samara pushes people she loves away. She's more broken a person then she lets on, even in ME2. She fights against love and runs from it. Walls herself off and don't want to face it.

Was wondering what your thoughts are on that? Do ya agree with my assessment or disagree? If ya disagree can ya please elaborate on why?

Modifié par gearseffect, 17 avril 2012 - 09:43 .

[Chromatix]

gearseffect wrote...
Too much to quote.

On a lighter note i'd say that Shepard is pretty safe variant for her. I mean he's unkillable, undestructible and invincible. And his implants may make him live for a much longer time.

Just sayin'
Though all you said may be quite true, she can't run away forever > (Unless Bioware let her, damn)

Modifié par Chromatix, 17 avril 2012 - 09:51 .

[MrAtomica]

gearseffect wrote...

Spot on, gears! Your thoughts about this are very much in line with my own.

I have always gotten the vibe that Samara is markedly less in control of herself than she insists. It is not an obvious thing, especially for those who don't bother to give her more than a passing glance, but I definitely notice more of her fragility each time I play through the series.

I should clarify why I used the word 'fragility' here: I do not mean to imply that Samara is weak, nor that she is a stereotypical female in need of a shoulder to cry on. If anything, she is the complete opposite of that trope. She is not, however, made of stone. Rather, I see her ostensible lack of emotion as a defense mechanism against being seen as such.

One of her lines has stuck with me from the first time I heard it;

"She carries many burdens with her, never sharing them with others -- as it should be." (In reference to Miranda)

This strikes me as indicative of Samara's personal outlook on life. Though she herself has many troubles of her own, she refuses to allow herself to heap them on anyone else. To do so would be a sign of weakness, of an insuffcient strength of will. Her station contributes to this, since it seems (to me) that Justicars are required to exhibit a tremendous amount of self-discipline. But I also see her unwillingness to rely on others as a vital part of her character.

While I believe what I just wrote to be true, I also believe that Shepard represents a very significant turning point in her life. The "shift" begins with his/her participation in dealing with Morinth, and carries on from there. The more that Samara and Shepard talk, the more she seems to be fighting her own "rules". My evidence for this is not so much a single specific event, but the entirety of her moments with the commander.

In a comparatively short span of time, Samara shares more of herself with a stranger than she seemingly has with her own family. That is incredibly telling. She actually tells Shepard directly, at one point, that she has "Never spoken of this with anyone" (paraphrasing). The amount of trust she places in Shepard certainly implies that there is a real depth to their relationship.

At the same time, though, she doesn't spell this out for you (the player). There are no moments where her thoughts or feelings are telegraphed. I find that to be one of the strongest positives of Samara as a LI. Appreciating her character takes patience, as well as some pretty heavy thinking. I love every other squadmate for different reasons, but I find her to be the most intriguing (and the way she was *almost* fully developed incredibly infuriating).

Thing is, there should have been more than there was. All of what I just mentioned is well and good, but it has no conclusion. The best we get is a PAINFULLY tender moment that hinted at what I was talking about, but kinda left it hanging beyond that. We can headcanon our respective ways around the lack of concrete content, but that shouldn't need to be the case. A fantastic character deserves closure.

I would love to see a DLC that focuses on her. Truthfully, I would say the same for every other squadmate who got the shaft in ME3. But it's her that I most hope to see, if only because there is just enough there as is to make not having the rest that much harder to stomach. And because I'm a selfish guy. Largely the latter.


In short:

I'm with ya, gears!

[warlock22]

gearseffect wrote...

I got a quisition or an idea I want to throw out here regarding Samara and her daughters, Rila and Falere,

In the ME2 LotSB DLC, there is a transcript of Samara talking with Rila and Falere. In it when her daughters ask why she don't visit them she says something to the effect of "if I were to come visit you now, I'm afraid I'd never be able to leave again"

Now then, here is my thoughts

Samara is afraid to visit Rila and Falere because she may just end up staying with them. Samara Loves them and cares about them very much.

Next with the near kiss scene in ME2 she tells Shep "I think I could find more than happiness with you." Then she deflects the kiss at the last possible second with her biotic barrier. Then pushes Shepard away.

Then in ME3, when she finally goes to see her daughters. I think likely due to the Reaper Invasion that she decided to visit them just then at that moment. She could have visited them sooner, but didn't. When Samara gets there she discovers that Rila is indoctrinated and kills herself to save Falere and Samara.

Outside Samara attempt to commit suicide. To me her reasoning for attempting that was nonexistent. It seemed when after losing Rila at that moment, all that pushed her over the edge. She broke, and wasn't thinking clearly. When Shep stops her from killing herself later on the Citadel Samara, hints at that all being true not thinking right and all.

OK sorry for that long into but it explaines this part and my reasoning behind it

Here is my thoughts, It seems Samara pushes people she loves away. She's more broken a person then she lets on, even in ME2. She fights against love and runs from it. Walls herself off and don't want to face it.

Was wondering what your thoughts are on that? Do ya agree with my assessment or disagree? If ya disagree can ya please elaborate on why?

I agree completely. But the audio trannsmission when shes says she would never leave, that was because Filere wanted her to come and tell them face to face that she was joining the code of the justicar. Thats why Samara said that she could not because she would never leave then.

[gearseffect]

@Warlock22, I thought that stuff was from the one when she was hunting down Morinth, that she told her daughters that if she came to visit she'd never leave? I could very well be mixing things up and putting content from two letters into one.

Oh also I love the whole internal turmoil aspect of characters, Samara just came off that way to me, and @ MrAtomica, the thing she said about Miranda that is also one of the lines that lead me to that conclusion, it's always stuck with me too.

I also think that a person can only bottle so much up and keep it to themselves before it starts to take a toil, emotionally, mentally, psychically, it tends to cause all sorts of havoc.

Hence Samara's attempted suicide. I love most the ME characters and all for varius reason, but Samara is so much deeper than she appears, I've always liked that and it's like Shepard, given Shepard don't say much really because he/she is meant to be the Players Own Character, and so there is so much under the surface of my Shepard too.

There is so much more to Samara's character than what' most people see.

Here is a preview to Chapter 3 of Awakening, Please let me know if ya think any of it sounds odd or out of place, any constructive criticism,

Now three months later the Justicar Samara found herself standing before a sight she had not seen in a long time. The Temple of the Justicar Order on Thessia.

It was a magnificent structure that had been built in a time when the Asari where still a young species, primitive. It had been unchanged by time and was one of the oldest intact Asari structures in existence. Despite it's age and the time it was built in the Temple had the trademark design structures that Asari were now know for elegant curves and arches. It was built with materials that gave the outside the look of shimmering shades of blues and purples.

Many on Thessia considered the Temple a testament to what the Asari had become the most advanced species in the galaxy. The only thing Samara knew of that could compare to the Justicar Temple was the primitive human Egyptian Pyramids. The Pyramids structures had not withstood the test of time like the Justicar Temple had. Looking at the Temple Samara couldn't help but wonder, how such a building had been built by a primitive species and culture.

As she entered the Temple she knelt down on one knee and bowed her head in silence. Then she recited the Justicar oath once again swearing herself to Code. This ritual was done by all Justicar's upon returning to the Temple after a long period away.

The Justicar Temple was nothing like a military base of operations. It more like a Housing Shelter mixed with a Monastery. It was also where new Justicar recruits stayed while being trained and undergoing the extreme conditioning before dedicating their life in service of the Code.

[7Mak]

gearseffect wrote...
Here is a preview to Chapter 3 of Awakening, Please let me know if ya think any of it sounds odd or out of place, any constructive criticism,

Now three months later the Justicar Samara found herself standing before a sight she had not seen in a long time. The Temple of the Justicar Order on Thessia.

It was a magnificent structure that had been built in a time when the Asari where still a young species, primitive. It had been unchanged by time and was one of the oldest intact Asari structures in existence. Despite it's age and the time it was built in the Temple had the trademark design structures that Asari were now know for elegant curves and arches. It was built with materials that gave the outside the look of shimmering shades of blues and purples.

Many on Thessia considered the Temple a testament to what the Asari had become the most advanced species in the galaxy. The only thing Samara knew of that could compare to the Justicar Temple was the primitive human Egyptian Pyramids. The Pyramids structures had not withstood the test of time like the Justicar Temple had. Looking at the Temple Samara couldn't help but wonder, how such a building had been built by a primitive species and culture.

As she entered the Temple she knelt down on one knee and bowed her head in silence. Then she recited the Justicar oath once again swearing herself to Code. This ritual was done by all Justicar's upon returning to the Temple after a long period away.

The Justicar Temple was nothing like a military base of operations. It more like a Housing Shelter mixed with a Monastery. It was also where new Justicar recruits stayed while being trained and undergoing the extreme conditioning before dedicating their life in service of the Code.

This is in good shape. I would add elements such as how few recruits there are now compared to even a century ago, given the dwindling relevance of the Justicar Order to the Asari society. They are well respected, but I think the perception among young Asari would be that it is a likely death sentence, rather than a noble way of life. The Temple would be mostly empty, with maybe a dozen or so trainees using its facilitities at any given time. In some ways this intensifies the amount of resources available to the Order, but in other ways it feels like almost a waste.