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[7Mak]

warlock22 wrote...

This right here is a very believable romance/ending with Samara in ME3. Its not a doctored up as it could be but it done in a very good way. Its all dialogue so it not to long. And this is kind of what I thought might happen, it just fits wit her.
http://collegeage.wo...mance-epilogue/

I hope they do something like this, I would love to see Samara  in a DLC as a full LI and squadmate.

The premise is sound, I'm afraid the execution is not. The dialogue is lacking a certain refinement that takes a lot away from the believability. Further, I'd always pictured Shepard would be the one taking the propositional role, and Samara having to be the one to be introspective. Here, it is the opposite. Samara essentially makes the advances, and Shepard reciprocates, and they come to a compromise. While that is usually how romances go in ME, it doesn't really fit with Samara's character, and that's why I think it's difficult to write one for her.

[warlock22]

7Mak wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

This right here is a very believable romance/ending with Samara in ME3. Its not a doctored up as it could be but it done in a very good way. Its all dialogue so it not to long. And this is kind of what I thought might happen, it just fits wit her.
http://collegeage.wo...mance-epilogue/

I hope they do something like this, I would love to see Samara  in a DLC as a full LI and squadmate.

The premise is sound, I'm afraid the execution is not. The dialogue is lacking a certain refinement that takes a lot away from the believability. Further, I'd always pictured Shepard would be the one taking the propositional role, and Samara having to be the one to be introspective. Here, it is the opposite. Samara essentially makes the advances, and Shepard reciprocates, and they come to a compromise. While that is usually how romances go in ME, it doesn't really fit with Samara's character, and that's why I think it's difficult to write one for her.

Like I said its not a finished thing, most likey a rough draft.  The way your talking about I can see it. However Samara has been the type of character that I feel you would have to fight for. And I feel that for my Shepard I would do anything to be with her. Samara is not (as much as I would like her to) going to leave the order. I just dont see Bioware doing that. So the only way Shepard could be with her is to compromise. And yes I believe that Shepard should have been making more advances, and as for the dialogue I felt it was fine. Shepard's dialogue was a little to short sometimes, but Samara's was very believable to me. I think if the write were to take that dialogue and add more and put all of it into a story setting, it would have been much better.

[gearseffect]

I agree with ya Mak, for me, I always felt that for a Shep/Samara to be done, it would have to be the opposite of how the other ME romances go.

Shep would have to be the one to push for it, the one making the advances. It seems just more true to Samara for it go that way. I find that writing it this way for me (in my fanfics), is in my favor. It makes it easier to write then if Samara was making the advances. I can crawl into her head easily enough, but writing her as the one making the advances..... very problematic.

Easier to write it from My Shepards stand point, can use my own personal experiences to help write it that way.

@7Mak, thanks for the info, will work on adding that in there.

EDIT: I was getting my pics in ME3 of my Shep and Samara for current LIA project, anyway at the AY Monastery when you go into the great hall, I noticed something odd and a bit messed up to me, that when ya get in there the game wants you to go press "A" to talk to the bomb it does that twice. It was never press "A" to talk to Samara, Falere, and Rila, it was jut the bomb.


Oh also after stopping Samara from ya know, and once she's worked things out with Falere, something she says just stuck out and hit me, Samara turns to Shep and says "If you will have me again....   I would be honored to   join you in stopping the Reapers"

Join ME? I know lots of people say that in ME3, but coming from Samara it just seems like it's more truely meant, as opposed to just joining your war assets. Also she's like the only ME2 squad mate that don't have a user pic for her as a war asset.. well her and Morinth.

But anyway it hit me as lots of room for DLC with Samara. I remember back when I read the leaked character scripts I was so P!ssed about Samara's small role. Then it began to subside and it hit me that of all the former ME2 squad mates Samara seems like one of the easiest to put out as a DLC squad mate.

Granted I don't want a Zaeed/Kasumi Samara in ME3. I want a bad@ss and total @ss kicking DLC Samara that puts the Liara of the Shadow Broker subplot/romance to shame, with just as much unuque dialogue and stuff as Javik has in ME3.

Modifié par gearseffect, 18 avril 2012 - 08:26 .

[warlock22]

gearseffect wrote...

I agree with ya Mak, for me, I always felt that for a Shep/Samara to be done, it would have to be the opposite of how the other ME romances go.

Shep would have to be the one to push for it, the one making the advances. It seems just more true to Samara for it go that way. I find that writing it this way for me (in my fanfics), is in my favor. It makes it easier to write then if Samara was making the advances. I can crawl into her head easily enough, but writing her as the one making the advances..... very problematic.

Easier to write it from My Shepards stand point, can use my own personal experiences to help write it that way.

@7Mak, thanks for the info, will work on adding that in there.

EDIT: I was getting my pics in ME3 of my Shep and Samara for current LIA project, anyway at the AY Monastery when you go into the great hall, I noticed something odd and a bit messed up to me, that when ya get in there the game wants you to go press "A" to talk to the bomb it does that twice. It was never press "A" to talk to Samara, Falere, and Rila, it was jut the bomb.


Oh also after stopping Samara from ya know, and once she's worked things out with Falere, something she says just stuck out and hit me, Samara turns to Shep and says "If you will have me again....   I would be honored to   join you in stopping the Reapers"

Join ME? I know lots of people say that in ME3, but coming from Samara it just seems like it's more truely meant, as opposed to just joining your war assets. Also she's like the only ME2 squad mate that don't have a user pic for her as a war asset.. well her and Morinth.

But anyway it hit me as lots of room for DLC with Samara. I remember back when I read the leaked character scripts I was so P!ssed about Samara's small role. Then it began to subside and it hit me that of all the former ME2 squad mates Samara seems like one of the easiest to put out as a DLC squad mate.

Granted I don't want a Zaeed/Kasumi Samara in ME3. I want a bad@ss and total @ss kicking DLC Samara that puts the Liara of the Shadow Broker subplot/romance to shame, with just as much unuque dialogue and stuff as Javik has in ME3.

Yeah I was really hopeing she would join my team. I couldn't tell you how excited I was. And then you find out that she doesn't really join only in your EMS. I am really hoping Bioware make sa DLC for her just like they did with Liara and LOTSB. I want it to be just like you said gears, make it awsome, exciting, and I want it to have a full LI part for Samara in there. I just wish there was more support for Samara, more fan art and pics, but it seems like more people just care about Liara. And dont get me wrong Liara is my favorite LI in the series as well as a character but Samara is right up there with her in my book. Samara deserves SO much more than what she got. But I wont give up the fight for her! I want Shepard to be with her and make her happy, and I know he can do it.

[7Mak]

Lizardviking wrote...

Totally random but I had this idea constantly nagging in the back of my mind. I wondered how the final part with the Citadel and the showdown with TIM would be if instead of Anderson it was Samara who was with us.

Like what would Samara say against TIM when starts his rant about control? How does TIM mockingly describe Samara? What are Samara's last words to Shepard before she bleeds out?

This is interesting to think about if they did it this way. If all current and former squadmates had been running towards the Citadel relay, it could have allowed any one of them instead of Anderson to play the supporting role in the confrontation with TIM. I suppose that would have been determined by who is the most used squadmember, or who is the LI.

Anyway, I don't think Samara would say much to TIM. Knowing her, she would try to kill him immediately, and upon being controlled by him, would struggle to relinquish herself much like Anderson and Shepard were. It is a difficult scenario to picture, because the way it is written, Anderson is as integral to that scene as Shepard and TIM. Samara, and quite frankly, many of the other squadmates, just wouldn't fit into that scene as is. I suppose they could explore the angle whereby TIM illustrates just how fragile free will really is. That someone so close to Shepard can be so easily manipulated even while standing right in front of him/her. However, Samara's last words would be something to behold. She would echo her speech from ME2, about how she always accepted she would die on her feet rather than on a deathbed. Just as the original conversation between Anderson and Shepard broaches upon the themes of "brothers in arms", "the normal life', and "father and son", the conversation with Samara would hit the sentiments of "sacrifice", "consequentialism", and "sense of duty".

[warlock22]

I love this pic done by Dolmheon! So beautiful!

[Dannycni]

Jessica1995 wrote...

So....
..who here likes Samara? =D

I tried badly to romance her on one of my play throughs but was gutted when I couldn't....there's something about an older woman...much older

[Hadeedak]

Just about to go do her mission. Pretty excited. She's such a badass.

[Premier Bromanov]

Samara's awesome. I just don't have that much more to talk about than what I've already said. ME3 doesn't have that character-rich plot that ME2 has.

[Dannycni]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Samara's awesome. I just don't have that much more to talk about than what I've already said. ME3 doesn't have that character-rich plot that ME2 has.

I'd agree with that, but i even think ME2 was lacking in character depth compared to ME1 maybe cause it was a slightly smaller crew

[warlock22]

Jessica1995 wrote...

So....
..who here likes Samara? =D

Umm.....ME!

[Chromatix]

Dannycni wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Samara's awesome. I just don't have that much more to talk about than what I've already said. ME3 doesn't have that character-rich plot that ME2 has.

I'd agree with that, but i even think ME2 was lacking in character depth compared to ME1 maybe cause it was a slightly smaller crew

There is also a smaller crew in ME3. But characters much more boring and lacking  than in ME2. Except Liara.

Running through ME3 for 6 time now. Wanting to punch her blue face with Batarian Fist of Gods

[gearseffect]

Dannycni wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Samara's awesome. I just don't have that much more to talk about than what I've already said. ME3 doesn't have that character-rich plot that ME2 has.

I'd agree with that, but i even think ME2 was lacking in character depth compared to ME1 maybe cause it was a slightly smaller crew

What? I thought ME2 had the best characters, and the depth of each one put most the ME1 squad mates to shame. Exception being that of Wrex, and Tali whose only true depth in ME1 was the quaria/geth outlook and info, thankfull her character grew and added more depth in ME2 and again ME3.

Garrus lacks depth other than being your good buddy in series, and Liara is well so whacky she's never the same character, then Ashley I liked in ME1, ME2 made me like her more, and I was let down by her in ME3 yet she lacks depth like Garrus.. Kaidan was dull and borring to me.


SO ya got 2 in ME1 with lots of depth compaired to, Mordin, Legion, Samara, Thane, Jack, Miranda,
Grunt being rather blank due to being a Tank-Born Krogan you birthed.

And Jacob T. I rather liked him, he was like the Cerberus dude that was cool, and made me feel like I had a Cerberus person I could trust. For me Jacob was more interesting and cool than Kaidan, but that's an easy mark to beat. Again lacking depth.

I won't even mention Zaeed and Kasumi.

ME1 had a way deeper plot than ME2, but the characters of ME2 had way more depth to them than those of ME1.

Anyway Samara, I said I'd have my LIA letter sent off by Wed. it's I got it in at 12AM Thurs. So I came close enough and I made my deadline. Samara has 1 more letter and a slew of screen shots


My letter

My Mass Effect LI: Samara

To whom it may concern,

Jake Shepard is a Colonist his whole life was destroyed in raid on Mindoir. His reason for joining the
Alliance was to prevent something like Mindoir happening again. He is also a Sole Survivor, his whole unit was killed on Akuze. These events forged him into a Person/Soldier/Spectre who's only drive in life was trying to protect
the galaxy the best he could.

Both Samara and Jake are broken individuals (they also both hide it very well and it doesn't show on
the surface). Both had been forged by events outside their control. Both had been leading a life of a warrior and protector. Both had been more like a machine than a living being, it was always one mission after the next in service to their duty. Neither Samara or Jake had any intention of finding happiness or love.

They're very much alike and they both know it. It's no wonder that Jake developed feelings for Samara. For
the first time he began to think of things he never had happiness, love, and even the possibility of a family. Suddenly he was faced with the thought and possibility of having a different life with Samara. It was life he very much wanted.

Samara in turn had also developed similar feelings for Jake. When they aired these feelings Samara told
him she could see them having a life together. The airing of these feelings had overwhelmed Samara and she pushed him away. The tension between the two only grew the longer things went unspoken.

After the Alpha Relay incident Samara and Jake part ways with their feelings for each other being unresolved. The time they were apart and the impending Reaper invasion only made Jake's feelings for Samara and the life they could have together grow stronger. While locked down on Earth, his only regret was that he had waited for Samara  to come to him, he waited for her to make the next move.

Each time their paths cross again they act like little more than an acquaintance, they don't even act like
friends. When faced with the possibility of total annihilation by the Reapers, Samara is what's kept Jake Shepard going. Jake would have pulled out all the stops and at least tried to give it a shot with Samara because there may never be another tomorrow.

True love should never go unspoken, Jake Shepard would (and should be able to) take the chance and pursue
Samara. Joker and EDI took their chance well they still could. Why must Samara and Shepard be the only ones unwilling to take their chance at love and happiness while they still can?


Sincerely Jacob, BSN name
Gearseffect,

And yes, I named my
Shepard after myself



END LETTER

BW had to just name squad mate in ME2 Jacob didn't they, now ya know the reason out of habbit I type Jacob T. when refering to the Squadmate Jacob Taylor.

Modifié par gearseffect, 19 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Dannycni]

gearseffect wrote...

Dannycni wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Samara's awesome. I just don't have that much more to talk about than what I've already said. ME3 doesn't have that character-rich plot that ME2 has.

I'd agree with that, but i even think ME2 was lacking in character depth compared to ME1 maybe cause it was a slightly smaller crew

What? I thought ME2 had the best characters, and the depth of each one put most the ME1 squad mates to shame. Exception being that of Wrex, and Tali whose only true depth in ME1 was the quaria/geth outlook and info, thankfull her character grew and added more depth in ME2 and again ME3.

Garrus lacks depth other than being your good buddy in series, and Liara is well so whacky she's never the same character, then Ashley I liked in ME1, ME2 made me like her more, and I was let down by her in ME3 yet she lacks depth like Garrus.. Kaidan was dull and borring to me.


SO ya got 2 in ME1 with lots of depth compaired to, Mordin, Legion, Samara, Thane, Jack, Miranda,
Grunt being rather blank due to being a Tank-Born Krogan you birthed.

And Jacob T. I rather liked him, he was like the Cerberus dude that was cool, and made me feel like I had a Cerberus person I could trust. For me Jacob was more interesting and cool than Kaidan, but that's an easy mark to beat. Again lacking depth.

I won't even mention Zaeed and Kasumi.

ME1 had a way deeper plot than ME2, but the characters of ME2 had way more depth to them than those of ME1.

Anyway Samara, I said I'd have my LIA letter sent off by Wed. it's I got it in at 12AM Thurs. So I came close enough and I made my deadline. Samara has 1 more letter and a slew of screen shots

I don't know I just feel I connected more with the Mass Effect 1 crew, I'm not saying ME2 wasn't great for characters etc but personally I prefered the depth and closeness to the ME1 crew

[Visii]

LIA Project 2: The Tribute is really coming together. But we still need help!
We're gathering letters, fanart and screenshots and sending it to Bioware, to show our appreciation of the characters and the desire for additional romantic content. Please see this thread for more details:

http://social.biowar.../index/11315889

Letter Contributions

ShepxThane: 9
ShepxMiranda: 6
ShepxJacob: 2
ShepxSamara: 5
ShepxJack: 1
ShepxKelly: 1

ShepxAshley: 2
ShepxKaidan: 3
ShepxVega: 1

Art Contributions

ShepxThane: 78
ShepxMiranda: 25
ShepxSamara: 20
ShepxJack: 17
ShepxJacob: 5
ShepxKelly: 4

ShepxGarrus: 14
ShepxAshley:  19
ShepxKaidan: 19
ShepxTali: 2
ShepxVega: 1

Deadline for submissions is the 25th, so if you really want to participate and show support for your favorite LI(s), there's still time left!

[Premier Bromanov]

Dannycni wrote...

I don't know I just feel I connected more with the Mass Effect 1 crew, I'm not saying ME2 wasn't great for characters etc but personally I prefered the depth and closeness to the ME1 crew

I'm playing ME3 alone.  None of these characters I feel attached to.  I appreciate the loyalty of Tali, Liara and Garrus, but I don't find their characters interesting.  If they were all absent, off doing something else, I wouldn't miss them.  Neither Ashley nor Kaidan I care about.  I'd convert Ashley to war assets, but that'd be just one fewer squadmate on an already deficient roster.

I bought ME3 with the expectation that the system would still be in place where certain squadmates come and go, depending upon the state of the game.  I had the hope that I would eventually get to have Samara and Jack by my side again, even if only for a mission or two.  I didn't know this system was scrapped, and this is one reason of many why ME3 is such an enormous disappointment for me.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 19 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[Chromatix]

[I'd convert Ashley to war assets, but that'd be just one fewer squadmate on an already deficient roster.]

But she's useless. She can detonate tech combos, yes. But except thet - meh.
Samara, with her Me2's arsenal, could be an any biotic's best friend. (detonate all the things)

[7Mak]

For me, the disappointment with the characterization in ME3 stems not from lack of character focus. I think given the necessary plot-driven structure of this installment they did an admirable, though incomplete, job of balancing the character interactions and focus. The disappointment for me is the lack of character closure. I think in ME2 the story really became about Shepard as a transformational, charismatic, and worthy leader that could and would collaborate with, and emotionally move, anyone if he desired. Because of this, the story really became about Shepard and his friends trying to stop the Reapers, which expanded to humanity and their alliances trying to stop the Reapers. But, as we know, NONE of this was provided any closure in the last 10 minutes of the game, except for Shepard's relationship with Anderson. They tried those preemptive "this is it" conversations with each squadmate before the final battle but unfortunately all of that was undone by what transpired after "the choice" was made. Maybe this is exactly what they are trying to target for that extended ending DLC, which means at the least, it will alleviate some of the concerns many have of the discombobulated logic of "the choices".

Anyway, I was thinking they could have made that "rally to the Citadel beam" a sort of mini-version of the suicide mission. It would have been nice to have scenes for all your other squadmates wreaking havoc on the Reaper forces that are coming for Shepard (as Harbinger specifically targets him), and then encouraging him to go on as they fall behind. Samara would unleash a hellish biotic blast.

Modifié par 7Mak, 19 avril 2012 - 06:55 .

[gearseffect]

I loved the ME2 characters, like Mak said ME2 felt much more personal given it revolved around Shepard growing into this great leader.

And as to what Bromanov said, the whole ME3 squad was made up of characters I would not really miss if they weren't there. As of now in ME3 Ashley is the worst squad mate in any of the ME games, she brought the Zaeed/Kasumi style convos to an all time low.

I'd also love to be able to send Liara packing away to the Curable as a War Asset, I'd really only miss Garrus if he was gone, He's been my closest friend for so long.

I'd trade almost everyone else for the chance at having Jack, Samara, and Thane back. Miranda fans say that in ME3 Miranda was reduced to a zombie of her former self, Well I think Samara was more zombafied than Miranda was.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Just feeling like reposting Tron!Samara.

[Hadeedak]

Occasionally my graphics card wigs out with interesting results in 3, especially when I'm ... playing with the graphics settings and taking screencaps. (Shush, I'm totally a computer genius.)

And I got a shot I'm rather fond of during the Samara ME3 mission; I figured I should share it over here.

[gearseffect]

I thought this pic was so cool, Samara and my Shep, Samara looks happy in it



Here are 2 pics from ME3, both turned out blurry so I edited them and made them look like a painting (Yes, I sent both in as LIA submissions, same with the above pic)





Then I noticed that in ME2 when ya just stand around doing nothing, Samara has so umm.... rather interesting body movements. Some of which look like she's getting hot and bothered, so I grabbed a pic of one and thought that it looked well funny. Shep's head is hung like Samara just broke his heart and she's behind him enjoying the view maybe?







EDIT, I took all these pics with an old HP 2002 digatal Camera, it was rather tricky taking pics of my TV. But all in all I'm proud, I got pics of my Shep and ME story on 360.

Modifié par gearseffect, 19 avril 2012 - 10:52 .