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[7Mak]

If there were a plot element such as Shepard having to broker a peace between Asari and some other race, do you think Samara would be equipped to handle a diplomatic role aboard the Normandy ala Wrex, Victus, Tali, & Legion? The Asari councilor seems like she prefers to keep her distance from Shepard and co., and given Liara already plays a huge role in ME3, it would leave Samara as the only Asari Shepard can really trust to handle such a task. I wonder if there is such a Code that facilitates this role transition for her; when there is a lack of leadership can a Justicar represent the Asari in large scale decision making tasks? Ultimately, I think Samara would just prefer the battlefield anyway. I'm just throwing this out there cause....you know.

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[Premier Bromanov]

Justicars are sworn to stay out of asari politics. Diplomacy is a critical element of asari politics.  Asari are known for being galactic mediators, and all of that.  I think Samara would stay out of this. Maybe she might step in if someone were to question Shepard's character.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 20 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[7Mak]

If Samara was on the Priority:Thessia mission, what would her reaction be to seeing Thessia fall? How would she try to rationalize it and comfort Shepard? I know my Shepard could have used her voice and guidance after that mission.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

7Mak wrote...

If there were a plot element such as Shepard having to broker a peace between Asari and some other race, do you think Samara would be equipped to handle a diplomatic role aboard the Normandy ala Wrex, Victus, Tali, & Legion? The Asari councilor seems like she prefers to keep her distance from Shepard and co., and given Liara already plays a huge role in ME3, it would leave Samara as the only Asari Shepard can really trust to handle such a task. I wonder if there is such a Code that facilitates this role transition for her; when there is a lack of leadership can a Justicar represent the Asari in large scale decision making tasks? Ultimately, I think Samara would just prefer the battlefield anyway. I'm just throwing this out there cause....you know.

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I do not think Samara would directly do anything. At best I think she would simply vouch for him, putting more weight behind Shepard's influence and words.

7Mak wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Totally
random but I had this idea constantly nagging in the back of my mind. I
wondered how the final part with the Citadel and the showdown with TIM
would be if instead of Anderson it was Samara who was with us. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Like
what would Samara say against TIM when starts his rant about control?
How does TIM mockingly describe Samara? What are Samara's last words to
Shepard before she bleeds out?

This is interesting to
think about if they did it this way. If all current and former
squadmates had been running towards the Citadel relay, it could have
allowed any one of them instead of Anderson to play the supporting role
in the confrontation with TIM. I suppose that would have been determined
by who is the most used squadmember, or who is the LI.

Anyway, I
don't think Samara would say much to TIM. Knowing her, she would try to
kill him immediately, and upon being controlled by him, would struggle
to relinquish herself much like Anderson and Shepard were. It is a
difficult scenario to picture, because the way it is written, Anderson
is as integral to that scene as Shepard and TIM. Samara, and quite
frankly, many of the other squadmates, just wouldn't fit into that scene
as is. I suppose they could explore the angle whereby TIM illustrates
just how fragile free will really is. That someone so close to Shepard
can be so easily manipulated even while standing right in front of
him/her. However, Samara's last words would be something to behold. She
would echo her speech from ME2, about how she always accepted she would
die on her feet rather than on a deathbed. Just as the original
conversation between Anderson and Shepard broaches upon the themes of
"brothers in arms", "the normal life', and "father and son", the
conversation with Samara would hit the sentiments of "sacrifice",
"consequentialism", and "sense of duty".

Dammit! Where is AshiraShepard when you need her/him?! I want this scene as a fanfic now! 

[gearseffect]

7Mak wrote...

If Samara was on the Priority:Thessia mission, what would her reaction be to seeing Thessia fall? How would she try to rationalize it and comfort Shepard? I know my Shepard could have used her voice and guidance after that mission.

My Shepard too. In fact My Shepard feels it's his fault Thessia fell. Because It's his fault Kai Leng is alive and Thane died.

He could really have used Samara in the whole game her comfort, her shoulder, and her love.

I'd like to Know what Samara thinks about the Prothean involvment in Asari development and I'd also like to know how she feels about the Asari keeping it to theirself.

I'm also wondering how deap and far the Prothean envolvment went? Anyone wonder if maybe the Prothean's had a hand in training the first Justicars? Ohh whoa that would be a verry interesting can of worms to explore right there wouldn't it?

As for what Samara would say to Shepard and her reaction to Thessia falling, I think she would feel an emense amount of pain seeing it all, and as always it would show in what she says and how she says it. Her voice and at times body laguage give away more about her inner feelings than people notice at first glance.

When your going up to the old Prothean Temple thing and get the great view of Thessia Burning I can her Samara clearly in my head saying this
First shocked horror in her voice "Goddess help us all" then a brief pause and she continues with a hint of pain and anger seeping into her words "So many souls being killed for no reason at all. There is no greater injustice than this one before us." 

if Samara is Sheps LI she turns to Shepard and her voice tembling a bit and seathing with conviction to make good on what she is about to say "Shepard We Must, avenge not just the deaths happening now before us, but everyone single life, every single civialaztion the Reapers have ever killed. This injustice has gone on for far to long, We must end this atrocity once and for all."

I thought that was rather like Samara, not only does it show she is sickened to see such an act happening, but it also shows that the Size and Scope and how long it's been hapening is not lost on her. It also shows that as if Samara is a LI that she begins to be a bit more open around Shepard with her true self showing through more, and it also shows that by saying "We" Samara has something truely unique with Shep, and that thier Romance is quite different from the other romances of ME.

What do ya all think?

EDIT several of my above statements and ideas are going to go into my current Samara/Shep Fanfics "Awakening' and "Breaking Points"

Speaking of which latter today the newest chapter of Awakening will be up.


EDIT AGAIN Hey all another thing I got started is a Thread to voice our hurt feelings over the treatment of Samara LI in ME3.http://social.biowar.../index/11571235

Please feel free to share what you had hoped for in ME3 from the Samara as LI/Romance and why you were let down, what was lacking,

I know, I know, there was basicly not even any metnion or feelings of LI Samara peresent in ME3 at all, Which is more reason to make a thread for it and make ourselves known 

That's whole point of that thread is for the other Protesting LI Movements to take notice of us Samaraitans and gain the attention of every one. I hope to have us as a fanbase group sort of piggy back along on the Protesting the treatment of the ME2 LIs in ME3, and show that there are fans of Samara that have been just as let down and hurt as those of Thane and Jacob.

Also please join the Samara fans group and feel free to give your ideas on ways to promote ourselves and go forward, http://social.bioware.com/group/7244/

Modifié par gearseffect, 20 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[Premier Bromanov]

7Mak wrote...

If Samara was on the Priority:Thessia mission, what would her reaction be to seeing Thessia fall? How would she try to rationalize it and comfort Shepard? I know my Shepard could have used her voice and guidance after that mission.

She'd probably be angry, but she wouldn't let it show.  Billions of asari died because of their extra-governmental cabal.  However, she's a Justicar, so she can't get involved in asari politics.  I suppose if any members of this cabal were found to be non-politicians, she might consider pursuing them, if they survived.  (I have my own revisional headcanon about this whole prothean-asari thing, so it doesn't effect me)

Anyway, if Samara were on the ship, in the mission after the fall of Thessia, it would have been cool if Samara could come with Shepard to talk to Liara.  Or, if Samara could enter Liara's room when Shepard goes to talk to Liara.  Samara could have a talk with Liara, instead of Shepard typing on the computer like a monkey as he tries to cheer her up.  I've always wanted to see Samara and Liara talk.

This just makes me want Samara as a ME3 squadmate even more.  In ME2, she says that she'll help Shepard.  She can help Shepard in lots of ways, but one very clear way could have been to be a squadmate.  Just seems like ME2 with Liara and Ashley/Kaidan all over again.  Squadmate X gives flimsy reason why they can't join Shepard, thus preserving them for something else.  Except, in this case, Samara really has no reason not to join Shepard.  What's one Justicar against a Reaper fleet, versus a Justicar helping Shepard to do what he can to defeat the Reapers?  Stopping the Reapers themselves is a more effective endeavor.

Bleh.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 20 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[7Mak]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Anyway, if Samara were on the ship, in the mission after the fall of Thessia, it would have been cool if Samara could come with Shepard to talk to Liara.  Or, if Samara could enter Liara's room when Shepard goes to talk to Liara.  Samara could have a talk with Liara, instead of Shepard typing on the computer like a monkey as he tries to cheer her up.  I've always wanted to see Samara and Liara talk.

This just makes me want Samara as a ME3 squadmate even more.  In ME2, she says that she'll help Shepard.  She can help Shepard in lots of ways, but one very clear way could have been to be a squadmate.  Just seems like ME2 with Liara and Ashley/Kaidan all over again.  Squadmate X gives flimsy reason why they can't join Shepard, thus preserving them for something else.  Except, in this case, Samara really has no reason not to join Shepard.  What's one Justicar against a Reaper fleet, versus a Justicar helping Shepard to do what he can to defeat the Reapers?  Stopping the Reapers themselves is a more effective endeavor.

Bleh.

I never got to have the Thessia aftermath conversation with Liara I had the Liara/Javik confrontation, but then when I went up to her room she was standing by her terminals and didn't initiate any cutscene dialogue. Maybe its cause I got held up with Tali in front of the elevator? Bleh. Terrible glitch, part of the reason the aftermath of that mission was so empty for my Shepard.

But yes, seeing Samara talk with her would have been nice. It almost seems like the perfect pairing too...Liara has her late mother's dark legacy hanging over her, and Samara has Morinth's. That makes for the perfect interpersonal undercurrent to them building a rapport with each other. Samara would likely approve of how Liara is putting the Shadow Broker's resources to good use in the fight against the Reapers. While Liara would look at Samara as a strong role model who fights relentlessly for justice in the galaxy. I may try my hand at that conversation later.

With regards to Samara not joining Shepard, I had a slight glimmer of hope when she says she would do exactly that after the monastery mission. But then I remembered what happened to Jack and Grunt after their respective missions, and realized I'm getting an email . I wanted at least a reason or scenario by which Samara deduces that her services are better put to use away from Shepard in a critical battle against the Reapers. But we don't even get that. Shame, really.

Modifié par 7Mak, 21 avril 2012 - 12:00 .

[Premier Bromanov]

The Liara/Javik confrontation replaces the scene where you can console Liara after the fall of Thessia. I don't have the prothean's DLC, and I don't want it. Not a fan of Javik or the prothean-asari connection "twist" at all. Plus, I've seen the confrontation scene, and I think it's inferior to the scene with Liara.

[7Mak]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

The Liara/Javik confrontation replaces the scene where you can console Liara after the fall of Thessia. I don't have the prothean's DLC, and I don't want it. Not a fan of Javik or the prothean-asari connection "twist" at all. Plus, I've seen the confrontation scene, and I think it's inferior to the scene with Liara.

I may have been confused by this video, but it seems like Shepard goes and has both conversations here: 

It's hard to compare the Liara/Javik version to the more personal one, but given that I'd romanced Liara, the latter one would be more appropriate.

[gearseffect]

Anyone offer any insight into my ideas on the Thessia mission? Point out what's off about it? Please, It's going to be incorporated into my Fanfics, and given this came about naturally It seemed a good place and time to share it.

Now the After Math of the Thessia Mission, and Liara and Samara maybe interacting. For me to explain this I need to take a detour into my head cannon.

In ME1 I had a brief fling with Liara. For all I knew it was nothing more than I just had the urge and needed to scratch the Itch before Illios. In ME2 I had been trying to get with Samara and we still have unresolved feelings.

After the ME2 SM, I did LotSB and I dumped Liara in it. She got kinda b!tchy, saying "I suppose too much time has past and it's for the best" At the start of ME3 I had to reinforce dumping Liara again, which she seemed b!tchy about.

Now, I have  to the Lesssus Monastery mission because when I did that mission the first time, I sort of knew I'd meet Samara there. So given Liara being rather b!tchy and seeming possessive about me being hers I brought Liara along hoping for some sort of b!tchy attitude toward Samara from Liara.

She delivered I felt, Liara kept taking this condescending tone toward Samara. It all felt like Liara knew I had feelings for Samara and she was unhappy with it. Despite dumping Liara many times she still felt very b!tchy toward anyone who may be a rival LI. Liara for me in ME3 became the creepy one night stand that becomes a stalker and all.

So that being said, the way Liara said "Justicar, what brings a Justicar here?" felt very snide, I think Liara had some snide comments about the Commandos and Asari high command knowing best or something. All this of course is the subject of how I interpreted these things.

Anyway now for the after Thessia mission, I just think Samara would be the last person Liara would want to see coming to comfort her. In fact I can't see my Liara getting along to well with Samara, and I can't see her looking up to her at all.

I can see Liara subtly trying to get under Samara's skin, but Samara being the classy lady she is, knows all to well the game Liara is playing. Samara would refuse to partake in it by giving her a reaction and acknowledging those attempts.

SO for me Samara and Liara don't go to well. In fact I noticed that if I date Ashley in ME3, Liara gets a b!tchy about that too. She seems to think I'm supposed to be hers. It was like there was stong sexual rivalerly agression being put out by Liara toward any other possible LI.

Sorry about that long explaining and all, here is a Link to Chapter 3 of Awakening complete with a Thank you to 7Mak for inspiring me when I posted my preview of it here.
http://www.fanfictio...768/3/Awakening

Modifié par gearseffect, 21 avril 2012 - 01:17 .

[gearseffect]

Jessica1995 wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

The Liara/Javik confrontation replaces the scene where you can console Liara after the fall of Thessia. I don't have the prothean's DLC, and I don't want it. Not a fan of Javik or the prothean-asari connection "twist" at all. Plus, I've seen the confrontation scene, and I think it's inferior to the scene with Liara.

I have the Javik DLC and you actually can have both scenes, as to why 7 couldn't have the scene w/ Liara maybe a bug, idk.

I got both scenes too, and I romanced Liara in ME1, see my above post about that and how she came off toward Samara. I think you have to go talk to Garrus and Tali or whoever is at the Wall debating offering comfort to Liara, then ya have to go talk with Javik and then go do the comforting Liara thing.

I think that Comforting Liara becomes a side mission once you talk with Tali/Garrus.

[Premier Bromanov]

gearseffect, that sounds a little passionate for Samara. I think something simple like, "All of these innocent lives lost. Shepard, this is all the more reason to stop the Reapers before this atrocity continues any further."

I'd like to know how Samara got from Thessia to Earth for the final battle. What ships were there off of Thessia so late in to the Reapers' occupation of that planet?

[gearseffect]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

gearseffect, that sounds a little passionate for Samara. I think something simple like, "All of these innocent lives lost. Shepard, this is all the more reason to stop the Reapers before this atrocity continues any further."

I'd like to know how Samara got from Thessia to Earth for the final battle. What ships were there off of Thessia so late in to the Reapers' occupation of that planet?

Ummm... yeah I've always wondered how she got to Earth when she was aparently on Thessia while it was being burned up by the Reapers.

Another thing that adds to the sense that she should join the Normandy Squad. It's how she got to Earth and then they can remove that stupid Vid Call that only made me more heartbroken. It continued to deny any chance of addressing our feelings.
From what I've heard the vids calls for romances of Jack, Miranda, and Steve, all got speicel treatment and dialogue. Not sure about Jacob.

[Premier Bromanov]

Yeah. Though most of the ME2 squadmates have pretty flimsy reasons to not join Shepard, Samara's is one of the flimsiest. Why go defend Thessia when you can join Shepard to stop the Reapers, thus eliminating the need to defend Thessia?

[gearseffect]

Jessica1995 wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Yeah. Though most of the ME2 squadmates have pretty flimsy reasons to not join Shepard, Samara's is one of the flimsiest. Why go defend Thessia when you can join Shepard to stop the Reapers, thus eliminating the need to defend Thessia?

Yea and Kaidan/Ashley do not belong on Starboard Observation
When I saw Ashley in there the first thought through my head was "Aww....Samara's not a squadmate? =("   

LOL, I remember when someone posted a link to a video taking ya on a tour of the ME3 Normandy and where each squad mate would be when they went to Starbard Observastion I remember clearly yellling at my Laptop "Oh Hell NO, WTF is this sh!t, where the heck is Samara"

Then I saw Life Support and Jack's hiddy hole and it was more Yelling much like the stuff about Samara. I remember I was over at my older brothers friends house and we were all hanging out on a Sunday watching the NFL, and they there I sat with my laptop yelling at it all.

It was so funny because when I looked up everyone was looking at me and then my older brothers one Army friend turned him and says "I guess those extreme outburts run in the family. Good because it's always funny when it happens"

Any way yeah I too thought that Samara's reason for not join the team again was the most stupest thing ever, because her reasoning behind it all, made more sense for her to back with Shepard as part of the team.

Miranda was busy most the game, but when I met her dad and that whole confrintation and stuff was all like a silent fart was let out ya know. It's something that had been building and building up and then it just silently comes and goes, and the only thing ya get is the nasty after smell left behind.
 THis is coming from the person who can't stand Miranda so given I was let down by her role in ME3 and I had no interest in having her back on my team, and never had her a LI, I can only imagine how upset her fans are.

Anyway Samara's reasoning for not being back as part of your team was total BS and didn't even make sense.

[Ashira Shepard]

Believe me that I voiced this opinion multiple times in the old thread, that if she does anything other than join Shepard to fight the Reapers again, it won't make sense. Or will make at least very little sense.

Speaking of Thessia, had Samara been a squadmate, what do you think her reactionary line would have been to Kai Leng's taunting about Thane's death? Examples of other squaddies reactions.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Believe me that I voiced this opinion multiple times in the old thread, that if she does anything other than join Shepard to fight the Reapers again, it won't make sense. Or will make at least very little sense.

Speaking of Thessia, had Samara been a squadmate, what do you think her reactionary line would have been to Kai Leng's taunting about Thane's death? Examples of other squaddies reactions.

Kai Leng: "Your friend Thane died like a coward!"

Samara (with a hint of anger in her voice): "You will regret such words!"

God I am terrible at making dialog for Samara!

[gearseffect]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Believe me that I voiced this opinion multiple times in the old thread, that if she does anything other than join Shepard to fight the Reapers again, it won't make sense. Or will make at least very little sense.

Speaking of Thessia, had Samara been a squadmate, what do you think her reactionary line would have been to Kai Leng's taunting about Thane's death? Examples of other squaddies reactions.

But it would make sense if joining Shepard to fight the Reapers she ended up finding other things to do than fighting Reapers, maybe Shepard could take her to the finest dinner on the Citadel, and for a night out just the two of them, No reply needed on that one.

Ohh I can hear Samara's reply now "There is no bigger sign of a coward....  than boasting about someones friend dying"
It's subtle yet says it all and throws it out there that Kai Leng is a coward. He likley wouldn't hear it.  That's OK he'll hear it again when I ram the OmniBlade into him.

When ol Leng said that there was like 50 things I wanted to say back to him, one had nothing to do with Thane but Bailey, it was "And you ran away like a coward when the gut shot C-Sec Officer was done messing with your elevator and coming to arrest you"

Modifié par gearseffect, 21 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[warlock22]

Jessica1995 wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Yeah. Though most of the ME2 squadmates have pretty flimsy reasons to not join Shepard, Samara's is one of the flimsiest. Why go defend Thessia when you can join Shepard to stop the Reapers, thus eliminating the need to defend Thessia?

Yea and Kaidan/Ashley do not belong on Starboard Observation
When I saw Ashley in there the first thought through my head was "Aww....Samara's not a squadmate? =("   

I second that. When I saw Kaidan on the Starboard Observation deck I was like no...no no no thats Samara spot! Damn it why is she not here!?

[7Mak]

gearseffect wrote...

Sorry about that long explaining and all, here is a Link to Chapter 3 of Awakening complete with a Thank you to 7Mak for inspiring me when I posted my preview of it here.
http://www.fanfictio...768/3/Awakening

That was pretty much how I'd pictured the Temple to feel like, just a vast emptiness and silence with small pockets of some actual life there.



I wonder how I would feel if Samara was brought on as a temporary squadmate, but had the same type of non-interactive dialogue that Ashley/Kaiden are subjected to in ME3. What kind of one-liners would she have? That would be really awkward, having this 1000 year old warrior aboard the ship who you can't really talk to. And what happened to the Oath she swore to Shepard for the suicide mission? I was hoping they would explain how that was dissolved, because it was a fairly significant gesture in ME2. I mean even a small line referencing it would do, but I don't recall any mention of it. I guess we're supposed to assume once Shepard was "suspended" Samara just left without properly addressing what the Code dictates on dissolving an Oath of Subsumation. It doesnt' happen much, but when the writers do cut corners, it seems to be in the most awkward way possible (i.e Morinth as a Banshee)

This game has a lot more squadmate-squadmate interaction than before, so it is interesting to speculate who Samara would talk to. I don't really think she would talk to any of Tali, Ash/Kaiden, or Vega, which leaves Garrus, EDI, Liara, and Javik. Can anyone think of a believable conversation she would have with them?

Modifié par 7Mak, 21 avril 2012 - 06:06 .