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[gearseffect]

7Mak wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Sorry about that long explaining and all, here is a Link to Chapter 3 of Awakening complete with a Thank you to 7Mak for inspiring me when I posted my preview of it here.
http://www.fanfictio...768/3/Awakening

That was pretty much how I'd pictured the Temple to feel like, just a vast emptiness and silence with small pockets of some actual life there.



I wonder how I would feel if Samara was brought on as a temporary squadmate, but had the same type of non-interactive dialogue that Ashley/Kaiden are subjected to in ME3. What kind of one-liners would she have? That would be really awkward, having this 1000 year old warrior aboard the ship who you can't really talk to. And what happened to the Oath she swore to Shepard for the suicide mission? I was hoping they would explain how that was dissolved, because it was a fairly significant gesture in ME2. I mean even a small line referencing it would do, but I don't recall any mention of it. I guess we're supposed to assume once Shepard was "suspended" Samara just left without properly addressing what the Code dictates on dissolving an Oath of Subsumation. It doesnt' happen much, but when the writers do cut corners, it seems to be in the most awkward way possible (i.e Morinth as a Banshee)

This game has a lot more squadmate-squadmate interaction than before, so it is interesting to speculate who Samara would talk to. I don't really think she would talk to any of Tali, Ash/Kaiden, or Vega, which leaves Garrus, EDI, Liara, and Javik. Can anyone think of a believable conversation she would have with them?

Glad you liked it Mak.

I can totally see her talking with Garrus, His outlook on Justice seems very much akin to The Justicar Code.

I'd love to find Garrus hanging out with Samara in Starboard Observation talking about their methods and what punishment is suitable for what crime. It would so so cool to that becuase
1.Taking place in Starboard Observation implies that Garrus came to talk with Samara.
2.It would cool to see Samara talking about The Justicar code and maybe compairing some of Shepards acts to how the Code would have had her do it.
3.Archangel on Omega Samara would aporve a such a noble cause.
4.After the Lessus mission Garrus can be found in the lounge and he'll tell ya things like "Samara now there is a woman I'd be glad to have back fighting with us." and  "She don't let anything get in her way she just kills it... ahh Shepard remind me to never get in her way", then he says something about "We could use more warriors like Samara in this war"

So that all makes me think Garrus would get along great with Samara. It would be fun to find them talking.

Liara I've already covered that for My ME, not gonna happen and not gonna be good.

I could see Samara, Garrus, and Javik all down in the shultebay doing some friednly sparing, hey Wait that sounds like a great Idea and then give Shep a chance to join ya. I may have to do a short Fanfic about that or incoprate it into Awakening somehow.

[Ashira Shepard]

Speaking of sparring...

So Areveth was fine?” Ashira spoke as if they were settled at the couch, relaxed, instead of sparring in the middle of the apartment. There was plenty of room to do so without hitting anything and the carpet was thick enough to make falling less painful.

“She performed very well; I can see why she survived the Admiral’s missions.” Samara deftly stepped out of the way when Ashira’s arm extended in a grab for her wrist, brushing it away, and lifted her leg to strike the Spectre’s side.

Ashira quickly jumped back, avoiding it; she quirked a brow. “Oh?”

The Asari tilted her head, “she is creative and resourceful, with another century and Spectre training she will be an excellent biotic.”

Ashira gave a mildly bemused look, “you know I still can’t wrap my head around the time needed.”

A subtle smile tilted Samara’s lips, “that is expected.”

Ashira gave an absent shrug, shifting her feet and grinning with a challenging look in her eyes. A smirk curled Samara’s lips and the Asari tilted her head, settled in a ready stance. Not a single word was spoken for the longest moment, but the second Ashira stepped forward Samara was quick to move aside. The soldier’s hand glanced across her ribs and Samara quickly brought her knee up to meet the Human’s gut. It only earned her a stifled grunt, with one of Ashira’s strong arms hooking around her waist. Immediately her feet started to leave the ground and she grabbed for the Human’s shoulders, trying to find something that resembled purchase.

Having none of it Ashira reached down with her free hand, taking one of the Asari’s legs behind the knee and pulling it out from under her. Ashira’s hand slipped however and Samara was quick to wrap both legs around the Spectre’s hips, forcing her to take a step forward and steady both their weights.

Neither moved for a moment before Ashira shook briefly with a laugh, muffled by the Asari’s shoulder, “I think I’d have you at this point.”

Samara lifted her hand from the young woman’s shoulder, “really?”

Ashira frowned, then yelped when she felt one of her legs get pulled out from under her, throwing her off balance and stumbling backwards. Samara quickly detached herself from the soldier, managing to land in a crouch. Try as Ashira might to regain her balance, the soldier lost any semblance of footing and landed on her ass.

Making progress with my "Close to Home" oneshot.

[warlock22]

Jessica1995 wrote...

New question for everyone

What do you like about Samara most and what do you dislike about her the most?
It can be as vague or detailed as you want =)

What do I like about Samara the most? Were do I begin, so many things come to mind. I guess what I like about her the most is... well her, her self as a person and a character. She so mysterious and intriguing, unlike any other character in Mass Effect. I find everything she says fascinating, when ever I replaid ME2 i would skip alot of dailogue but I would never skip hers. I always wanted to here the conversation's again, she has the most gentle voice. All the subtle changes in her voice and body language made her such deep and believable person.And her past as well, the type of person she was before she became a Justicar, and the fact that person is still there just behind alot of armor. I can't get enough of her.

As for what I dislike the most about her, is that you cant have in her ME3

[gearseffect]

Whoa apparently my post from early around noon didn't post.
After a day spent writing my brain has been fried, and is fuzzing out some,

Anyway My post was about Ashira's Fanfic preview and was something to the affect of this
I really love how you are able to pull off those sparing scenes like that.
Sparing while carrying a casual conversation and somehow maintaining a bit of erotica in them.

Truly an art form that you mastered one. And that I'm not skilled enough to feel good about publishing something like that yet,

But now I plan to go get some work done on my fanfic off I go

It was something like that, but it was typed and worded so much better.

EDIT It's in Chapter 4 of Breaking Points,

www.fanfiction.net/s/7944452/4/

Modifié par gearseffect, 22 avril 2012 - 07:17 .

[gearseffect]

Quick question for ya all who have Samara as your LI

What would you invasion a date between your Shep and Samara being like? Dancing in clubs, Fine Dinning, Seeing Blasto, Francis Kitt's Hamlet, Expel-10, going to the shooting range, cooking a meal, a day at a lake, use your imagination here,

[gearseffect]

OPPs I got another idea, what do ya all think Samara would have thought of Liara after she went crazy on Javik like she did, I know I was like "Whoa Liara take a chill pill here, Garrus and the Primarch watched their homeworld being destroyed, and they then put up with Wrex say that the Turrians forgot how to fight and need the Krogan. they didn't loose their mind"

I can hear Samara saying something like "Being young one is often prone to unnecessary outbursts of rage"
To which I can hear Liara "Figured the Justicar would side with Javik, both cold heated unfeeling killers" she took a snide tone with Samara when I brought her to Lessus.

Anyway thoughts?

[Ashira Shepard]

I can't say I would picture the same thing happening, but that's mostly because I liked Liara and pictured her as one of my Shepard's closest friends alongside Garrus. So I'm far more sympathetic to the fact that: hey, what a SHOCKING SURPRISE, some people don't take the fall of their homeworld on the chin without stumbling from the hit.

Garrus and the Primarch are Turians, Garrus himself says that Humans have the unrealistic ideal of saving everyone when Turians are taught that as long as one soldier is left standing at the end of the war, it was worth it.

So there's different emotional and cultural reactions going on here.

Liara is an Asari - I.E has a different cultural and emotion reaction to things than Turians.

And I wanted her to finish that threat and just vaporise Javik on the spot. You DO NOT stir someone's pain and grief regardless of your own views; that's just being a needless dick. Which Javik is.

Regards Samara I think she would be sympathetic and far more gentle about it than Javik because hey, it was her world too and Javik is still being a douche. Samara likely had a lot of happier memories tied to Thessia, then she watches it be overrun by the Reapers - I don't picture her being totally cool about it. Certainly not as strong as Liara's reaction, but still a negative reaction and I certainly do not picture her agreeing with Javik. At all.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 23 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Yeah. I don't like Javik. At all. He has no place in my copy of the game, and in any of my playthroughs.  I headcanon him right out, along with all of the lore "twists" that follow him.

I think Samara would side with Liara, and not as a species solidarity thing.  She'd side with her because there's no need to be a dick to a person who lost their homeworld, probably all of their friends back home, extended family, and so on.  I can't stand Javik.  <_<

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 23 avril 2012 - 03:31 .

[Chromatix]

Premier Bromanov wrote...
 She'd side with her because there's no need to be a dick to a person who lost their homeworld, probably all of their friends back home, extended family, and so on.

Do you ever think, that being douche is his emotional protection? He lost everything, not just one planet. I doubt that he can be a good man after that, and even if he was - how would it look like? "Hey, my whole empire and trillions of people were decimated, but world is so beautiful, i know that feeling, Liara, bro."

[Premier Bromanov]

Chromatix wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...
 She'd side with her because there's no need to be a dick to a person who lost their homeworld, probably all of their friends back home, extended family, and so on.

Do you ever think, that being douche is his emotional protection? He lost everything, not just one planet. I doubt that he can be a good man after that, and even if he was - how would it look like? "Hey, my whole empire and trillions of people were decimated, but world is so beautiful, i know that feeling, Liara, bro."

Doesn't excuse it, or justify it.

[pprrff]

Did you guys get a line from Samara where she says she is going to track you down and kill you after the Reaper War is done (when you meet her on the citadel). I was impressed that the game keep track of little details like that. If they only made the rest of the game with such attention to previous choices ....

Modifié par pprrff, 23 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[Ashira Shepard]

I was never a renegade enough (play as a paragade) to garner that reaction in the first place, but I'm glad I guess that they kept Samara true to her reaction to the renegade at the end of ME2.

[Chromatix]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Chromatix wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...
 She'd side with her because there's no need to be a dick to a person who lost their homeworld, probably all of their friends back home, extended family, and so on.

Do you ever think, that being douche is his emotional protection? He lost everything, not just one planet. I doubt that he can be a good man after that, and even if he was - how would it look like? "Hey, my whole empire and trillions of people were decimated, but world is so beautiful, i know that feeling, Liara, bro."

Doesn't excuse it, or justify it.

Does he need an excuse? Or to justify his actions? He's just a warrior, ruthless and cruel. It's just luck that HE did survive, not a knight on a white horse who would hug Liara and cry with her.

[Premier Bromanov]

Chromatix wrote...]

Does he need an excuse? Or to justify his actions? He's just a warrior, ruthless and cruel. It's just luck that HE did survive, not a knight on a white horse who would hug Liara and cry with her.

No, and all the more reason for me to refuse him and his DLC.  In fact, I got it removed from my Origin account and deleted my saves that unfortunately included him.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 23 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Chromatix wrote...
Does he need an excuse? Or to justify his actions? He's just a warrior, ruthless and cruel. It's just luck that HE did survive, not a knight on a white horse who would hug Liara and cry with her.

I wouldn't expect him him to be anything in the bolded. But there's a middle ground between THAT and being an overwhelming dick.

The middle ground is having a stoic hardass who knows not to be a dick but isn't going to offer his shoulder or dare show emotion in front of anyone.

But no. Javik pokes her emotions with a sharp stick; when they've already been stirred, shaken and put in a blender.

Back on topic...

I have no idea what a date would be like with Ash-Shepard and Samara, I'd have to really give it some thought and discuss it with a few buddies. What would you invision with Samara and Jake, Gears?

[gearseffect]

I did not know so many people hated Javik. I thought he was a jerk too, but I also thought Liara went a bit over board with it all, Granted so did Jack and Miranda, and Legion and Tali. I also punhed Haan'garrel for nearly getting me killed.

My Shep considered Liara a friend.I also intended Samara's comment to seem neutral, taking note of Liara being rather young, which in many cultures can be much more hotheaded. which Samara has no problem with.
However given the blow up happened in Javik's area, I thought Liara went there upset practically looking for a fight.

Samara's meaning was misconstrued by Liara, given I felt that Liara seemed to see Samara as a rival to her, (jealous over Sheps relationship with Samara), so Liara already had a beef with Samara. Which lead to Liara's comeback of Samara siding with Javik and being a cold hearted killer.

Javik's just a bitter old dude, for being the last of his kind. Waking up to the nightmare happening again, and no Prothean's being around, he's faced with reliving the same "end times" again. Javik was from a different time and adjusting the best he can. Still don't mean he's not an ass, and I hardly think Samara would like him much, given his slave race thing and all sorts of other stuff about the protheans


EDIT I was never a renegade so Samara had no reason to vow to track me down and kill me.

Modifié par gearseffect, 23 avril 2012 - 07:18 .

[warlock22]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I can't say I would picture the same thing happening, but that's mostly because I liked Liara and pictured her as one of my Shepard's closest friends alongside Garrus. So I'm far more sympathetic to the fact that: hey, what a SHOCKING SURPRISE, some people don't take the fall of their homeworld on the chin without stumbling from the hit.

Garrus and the Primarch are Turians, Garrus himself says that Humans have the unrealistic ideal of saving everyone when Turians are taught that as long as one soldier is left standing at the end of the war, it was worth it.

So there's different emotional and cultural reactions going on here.

Liara is an Asari - I.E has a different cultural and emotion reaction to things than Turians.

And I wanted her to finish that threat and just vaporise Javik on the spot. You DO NOT stir someone's pain and grief regardless of your own views; that's just being a needless dick. Which Javik is.

Regards Samara I think she would be sympathetic and far more gentle about it than Javik because hey, it was her world too and Javik is still being a douche. Samara likely had a lot of happier memories tied to Thessia, then she watches it be overrun by the Reapers - I don't picture her being totally cool about it. Certainly not as strong as Liara's reaction, but still a negative reaction and I certainly do not picture her agreeing with Javik. At all.

I agree. also Liara studied the Protheans for  a long time, and she admits she painted this pritty picture of them for many years. She thought they had all the answer's, thought that they were a great and noble race, but Javik pretty much showed her what the Protheans really were. So having lost her home world and knowing the truth about the Protheans, she was crushed she  just couldn't hold back.

[pprrff]

Javik does that to everyone, when he was the citadel he basically told everyone that they are going to die.

The post Thessia Liara get's ridiculed because pretty everyone on the ship has lost their home planet at that point, and Javik lost his entire civilization... so yea.

But about Samara, even if her mission was not very long, it is one of the better written ones, I had to reload a save because I was drinking a beer when the interrupt came up ...  OH MY GOD, RELOAD RELOAD

Modifié par pprrff, 23 avril 2012 - 09:56 .

[Premier Bromanov]

There's no reason to think that Liara "deserves" ridicule. Different people react differently to loss. Liara is emotional, which is not a bad thing. Liara is young. Liara was helpless to stop Thessia from falling, even as the Shadow Broker. Liara does not have the stiff upper lip that stoic soldier types like Garrus and Shepard have. Lastly, Thessia is supposed to be idyllic, and asari civilization has always revolved around keeping peace. Historically, they've relied upon the turians for military force. When even the turians had their backs to the wall, the asari had nothing. Lastly, Liara is not selfish. She seems deeply concerned about Shepard's feelings at the loss of Earth. So, I don't blame Liara for being so distraught. Making fun of her is a low blow.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 23 avril 2012 - 10:04 .

[pprrff]

Of course it is normal to a see character so distraught over something so catastrophic, but I mean Thessia is like the upteenth planet that the reaper invaded, by that point the reaper's destruction doesn't quite have the impact as it did with Earth or Pavalen early in the game.

It is not unreasonable to have players go "okay, that's like the 3rd time this happened, why all of a sudden someone need a hug." Obviously I am being fastidious but I am trying to make a point, having Javik around to be a dick to her actually cast her in a more sympathetic light.

[Ashira Shepard]

"Why all of a sudden someone need a hug."

Because the nightmare kept escalating to a breaking point. After Thessia my Shepard could've gone for a hug as well. :/

Also there's a case of "broken finger, broken leg" going on here.

Yes, everyone's lost their planet by this point. Javik lost his entire cycle = broken leg.

Everyone else (including Liara) = broken finger compared to Javik's broken leg.

It's a smaller body part. But a broken bone is a broken bone; it bloody hurts. Someone else having a broken leg doesn't make your broken finger hurt less.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 23 avril 2012 - 10:49 .

[warlock22]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

There's no reason to think that Liara "deserves" ridicule. Different people react differently to loss. Liara is emotional, which is not a bad thing. Liara is young. Liara was helpless to stop Thessia from falling, even as the Shadow Broker. Liara does not have the stiff upper lip that stoic soldier types like Garrus and Shepard have. Lastly, Thessia is supposed to be idyllic, and asari civilization has always revolved around keeping peace. Historically, they've relied upon the turians for military force. When even the turians had their backs to the wall, the asari had nothing. Lastly, Liara is not selfish. She seems deeply concerned about Shepard's feelings at the loss of Earth. So, I don't blame Liara for being so distraught. Making fun of her is a low blow.

I agree with all of this. Very well said.

Modifié par warlock22, 23 avril 2012 - 11:38 .

[gearseffect]

AshiraShepard wrote...

"Why all of a sudden someone need a hug."

Because the nightmare kept escalating to a breaking point. After Thessia my Shepard could've gone for a hug as well. :/

Also there's a case of "broken finger, broken leg" going on here.

Yes, everyone's lost their planet by this point. Javik lost his entire cycle = broken leg.

Everyone else (including Liara) = broken finger compared to Javik's broken leg.

It's a smaller body part. But a broken bone is a broken bone; it bloody hurts. Someone else having a broken leg doesn't make your broken finger hurt less.

Ahh see that's sort of my point with My Shep too was upset with Thessia falling, Yet I think Javik being Javik and Liara being upset was well alot of feelins being stired and it resulted in lots of anger being missdirected everywhere.

I always feel Samara was the one person who could always see both sides, and she often kept her cool So I think Samara  would see both Liara and Javik's sides, and understand them both likely better than anyone.

As for the Date quistion I feel it's like I'm going blind on what a good fitting date would be like with. Samara.
Thanks alot ME3. It's easey to invision a date for many of the other LI's just because they've all let their gaurd down a bit and have provide a picture of their person life, or what they have for one.

For Samara, she's complettly lacking much indavidalty that provides aple stuff to go off of, she's just blank a Warrior fighingting one battle after the next much like Shepard.

At least I know Grunt and Wrex would enjoy shooting weapons for fun,  wow Samara is such a blank slate, no wonder us Samaritans have been left feeling so empty after ME3.

One of the few ways I can invision a date between my Jake Shep and Samara is much like this

Both wearing their fanciest cloths, for Jake, a nice fanny tuxedo, and Samara in a elagent classy dress
Having a meal at a very classy high end Restaurant on Thessia sipping the finest whines and of coure as a gentlemen Jake Shep is paying


Sorry but that's I got it's so corny but it's all I can think of and it has no unique crativity put into it, because dang it what the heck would Samara be like as a person,

BioWare you had a chance to make the Samara LI, the coolest and most unique romance out there just because it requires so much more effort and speacail care it can't be a cookie cutter Miaranda/Jack/Tali/Thane/Jacob/Kaidan/Ashley/Garrus/ Liara thing it has to be a completely uninque and differnt arppoce taken.

Heck all they'd have to do is bring Samara back and give her unique dialogue for a LI, and it's all exclusive convos that ya don't get unless Samara is the LI, because it has Samara sharing more personal stuff and letting her gaurd down around Shep, being more human, it don't even need kissing or hugging or the lame sex scenes, just exlusive convos like that makes it enough for me becuase it emplies that there is something more between them and it's completly unique

My god It all just spluged out of me, I was trying to invision a date and here I come up with this corny date and it leads to some sort of wierd idea of how to make the Samara romance work and make us feel happy

[warlock22]

gearseffect wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

"Why all of a sudden someone need a hug."

Because the nightmare kept escalating to a breaking point. After Thessia my Shepard could've gone for a hug as well. :/

Also there's a case of "broken finger, broken leg" going on here.

Yes, everyone's lost their planet by this point. Javik lost his entire cycle = broken leg.

Everyone else (including Liara) = broken finger compared to Javik's broken leg.

It's a smaller body part. But a broken bone is a broken bone; it bloody hurts. Someone else having a broken leg doesn't make your broken finger hurt less.

Ahh see that's sort of my point with My Shep too was upset with Thessia falling, Yet I think Javik being Javik and Liara being upset was well alot of feelins being stired and it resulted in lots of anger being missdirected everywhere.

I always feel Samara was the one person who could always see both sides, and she often kept her cool So I think Samara  would see both Liara and Javik's sides, and understand them both likely better than anyone.

As for the Date quistion I feel it's like I'm going blind on what a good fitting date would be like with. Samara.
Thanks alot ME3. It's easey to invision a date for many of the other LI's just because they've all let their gaurd down a bit and have provide a picture of their person life, or what they have for one.

For Samara, she's complettly lacking much indavidalty that provides aple stuff to go off of, she's just blank a Warrior fighingting one battle after the next much like Shepard.

At least I know Grunt and Wrex would enjoy shooting weapons for fun,  wow Samara is such a blank slate, no wonder us Samaritans have been left feeling so empty after ME3.

One of the few ways I can invision a date between my Jake Shep and Samara is much like this

Both wearing their fanciest cloths, for Jake, a nice fanny tuxedo, and Samara in a elagent classy dress
Having a meal at a very classy high end Restaurant on Thessia sipping the finest whines and of coure as a gentlemen Jake Shep is paying


Sorry but that's I got it's so corny but it's all I can think of and it has no unique crativity put into it, because dang it what the heck would Samara be like as a person,

BioWare you had a chance to make the Samara LI, the coolest and most unique romance out there just because it requires so much more effort and speacail care it can't be a cookie cutter Miaranda/Jack/Tali/Thane/Jacob/Kaidan/Ashley/Garrus/ Liara thing it has to be a completely uninque and differnt arppoce taken.

Heck all they'd have to do is bring Samara back and give her unique dialogue for a LI, and it's all exclusive convos that ya don't get unless Samara is the LI, because it has Samara sharing more personal stuff and letting her gaurd down around Shep, being more human, it don't even need kissing or hugging or the lame sex scenes, just exlusive convos like that makes it enough for me becuase it emplies that there is something more between them and it's completly unique

My god It all just spluged out of me, I was trying to invision a date and here I come up with this corny date and it leads to some sort of wierd idea of how to make the Samara romance work and make us feel happy

This, all of this! But I'm a romantic and I would want to see one kiss between Samara and Shepard. Having a love scene with her would be great dont get me wrong(from an artistic/story stand point here people NOT porn),  I think it would be a very beautiful scene much like Liara's. But I would be mad if there wasn't one, more like a "shucks"

[7Mak]

I like Javik.

I think he's more similar to Samara than any other accomplice of Shepard. More on that later. But I think the fact that he imposes upon people, as in the fact that we can form a strong impression of him from a meta-gaming standpoint, is a testament to good writing. It's the same reason some of us like or don't like Samara. One Prothean does not make the Protheans a race of power hungry warlords. He clearly pontificates his version of what his species were, according to HIS values and the era in which he lived, which leads to OUR perception of them from the perspective of the characters in the game, but also ourselves as gamers immersed in the timeline of this universe. In Javik's era, there was war and turmoil, and he represented the tip of their sword in that battle. Before this era, given what we know about their sensory-perceptual abilities, their activities of exploring and uplfiting species suggests a sophistication that species in this cycle clearly never developed (i.e upon discovering humans, the Turians wanted to bomb them back to the Stone Age). They were able to learn very quickly if certain species had spacefaring potential, and acted accordingly, giving them a place under their guidance. Now, it is not farfetched to assume the Reaper wars, OR the impending threat of the Reapers (I don't remember how long their extermination took) must have brought about a severe corruption and dilution of this ideology, forcing it to be more occupational and perhaps oppressive. But probably necessery given the circumstance.

Further, did we really need a Prothean with all of the answers? Or at least some more insight? Sure. But the creative decision, probably fueled by business needs, made him a DLC optional squadmember that is basically a Shepard from the cycle before (likely a renegade one). But there's also the fact that we don't always get what we need, and need to appreciate the flukes that we do pull. He's not the enlightened descendant we would have hoped for, but somewhere along the line an enlightened leader of the Protheans probably assigned him to lead the war against the Reapers, and decided a plan B to put him in stasis because they believed in him that much. Just imagine a renegade Shepard being in stasis for the next cycle, only for them to find out he's got this weird bloodlust ("I need to avenge the last cycle"), strange and fuzzy memories about things relevant to the fight against the Reapers (visions from Prothean beacons), and a really crummy attitude (again, Renegade Shepard).

So yes, we got the douchy War Guy Prothean, but we have to keep in mind he represents a very small aspect, temporally and philosophically, of an entire galactic civilization. But I get if he's just simply unlikable to some, because he irked me in that Liara confrontation, even after he "made peace" with her. Despite that, my Shepard doesn't dislike and discount people for being unpleasant. If this unpleasantness is solely geared towards tearing him or others he cares about down out a complete lack of empathy, then we have a problem. At this point, my Shepard can take any ally he can get, and at the end of the day, he knows he's responsible for him.

Back to Javik and Samara's similiarities, I definitely do not make the comparison from a personality sense. But even still, Samara is indifferent to feelings and emotions out of necessity, while Javik out of jadedness. So there is a comparison to be made there. But I think their similarities are borne out of a sense of conviction to their ideals. Javik will often point out that non-adherence and deviation from the endgame, triumph over the enemies, is nothing but a distraction and will get you killed like the weak individual that you are. Samara will hunt down and KILL renegade Shepard when the Reaper threat is over, presumably thanks to said Shepard. These are examples of extreme convictions derived from a sense of devotion to their ideals. I have no doubt Samara would find Javik unpleasant, but she would respect his single-mindedness focus, because like her, he's lost everything and all he has are those ideals to live by.

Modifié par 7Mak, 24 avril 2012 - 03:24 .