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I thought Liara's "melding gift" before the final mission, while a very touching moment, should only be for Shepard's who romanced Liara. I'm sure you all know where this is going...

I think as a proxy for a romance with Samara, romantic hopefuls should have gotten a meld with Samara, as a way for Shepard to consummate a very deep bond with her, even if for only a moment. Perhaps we would get to see some images from her early life, but it doesn't have to be that suggestive. Perhaps they could just share a very intimate silent moment, holding hands, staring off into a star filled space. And that could be enough for the Shepard that pines for a connection with the Justicar, and the Justicar who once voiced that she very much so wanted to reciprocate.

What do you all think? Too far for our stoic warrior?

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I have about five reasons I reject Javik and his DLC. If you want to hear them, you can message me. Otherwise, they'd be off-topic to mention in this thread.

As for Shepard dating Samara, I can't imagine how that would go. I know I'd be intimidated as ****, because she's a classy and elegant lady. I'd feel like I'm taking Helen Mirren out for dinner. I'd be stuttering and sweating and generally a wreck.

EDIT: Ooh, a mind-joining with Samara.  That would be awesome.  Why should Liara get Shepard's mind all to herself?  A quiet moment with Samara, aboard the Normandy, where Shepard finally gets to see the blizzard behind Samara's icy eyes...  :wub:

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 24 avril 2012 - 02:58 .


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Premier Bromanov wrote...

EDIT: Ooh, a mind-joining with Samara.  That would be awesome.  Why should Liara get Shepard's mind all to herself?  A quiet moment with Samara, aboard the Normandy, where Shepard finally gets to see the blizzard behind Samara's icy eyes...  :wub:


The blizzard behind her icy eyes? Nicely put, I got hypnotized just thinking about it :blink: But because I'm also an idiot, I just had the following scenario in my head: Shepard finds himself in an unforgiving blizzard, barely able to see Samara standing a few meters away from her. As he tries to make his way to her, a massive tornado comes and envelops him into the sky. Shepard wakes up on the floor of the Citadel with a cold sweat.

ANYWAYS, it's feasible I think, just a nice gesture for Samara, the friend. There's no Code about never melding again, right? What if there is some critical information that can only be delivered via mind melding? ^_^

Modifié par 7Mak, 24 avril 2012 - 03:17 .


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I'm not trying to ride on the coattails of the treatment Liara got in ME3, but I thought that scene where you can mind-join with her before the final battle is very meaningful, even if you didn't romance her. If you've played since ME1, you know that the mind-joining has great, multifaceted significance to the asari. Taking Liara up on her offer as her lover or just her friend is pretty much the consummation of your journey with her. Everything you've experienced together as friends and/or lovers is coming back for this moment. It's reminiscing with an old comrade, but in a unique and almost spiritual way.

Now, why couldn't we have this with Samara, hm? If it were Samara instead of Liara in all of the aforementioned, it would mean just as much! This makes me a little sad.  :(

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 24 avril 2012 - 03:38 .


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7Mak I like your assessment of Javik, I also enjoyed the angry SOB for at least a few reasons one was because he was a consent reminder for me of what could happen to "US". By Us I'm referring to everyone in Sheps cycle.

Javik was like a man out of time, and dissipate how bad things were in ME3, Javik was standing right there. His Reaper stories that he lived were so depressingly sad. Looking at and being around Javik was like a wake up slap in the face "WHOA wait the Reapers have hardly got a foot hold right now, we can kick their @ss, because right now things are way more brighter than the end times Javik faced"

I also felt that subconsciously Liara went down to Javik's room looking to take her rage out on him. I mean she was already p!ssed off at him in the Temple for finding out the Asari had lied about Protheans and much of what she had believed was a lie. So why go done there if your already p!ssed off and feeling doom and gloom? You go visit Mr. Doom and Gloom, for what? Yeah she wanted to take all her pent up rage out on him.

Liara was being a hot head, I liked seeing her blowing up like that, I've been known to be a bit hot head at times myself, I mean Javik was just being himself, he even became doom and gloom on the Citadel, But each time my Shep stood up and Javik turned it around into "All is not lost as it was in my cycle. There is still hope use your anger to destroy the Reapers"
And yes 7Mak I'd have prefered not melding with Liara in ME3, but that's just me. I'd have loved melding with Samara, in fact in my 2nd chapter to Awakening I had Samara consider Melding with Jake, to give him something to fall back on when things got dark, but.....

Well if you haven't read it yet, I won't spoil it for ya.

I'd also like to have liked it if LI Samara show a bit more of a human side with Shepard, letting her guard down a bit more, and the person hidden behind the warrior shows a bit more. But we never got the chance all we got was "Your time is precious, Spend it wisely and with those care for you" and not allowed to reply, just forced to sit looking at her back as she looked out window.

Or was the line "Your time is precious Spend it wisely, and with those you care for" I can never remember which way it went,
Anyway this was Jake Shepards reaction to being forced to into saying nothing and doing nothing as Samara turned to look out the widow after that line

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Maybe it's just me but he looks so sad and heartbroken there

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Premier Bromanov wrote...

I'm not trying to ride on the coattails of the treatment Liara got in ME3, but I thought that scene where you can mind-join with her before the final battle is very meaningful, even if you didn't romance her. If you've played since ME1, you know that the mind-joining has great, multifaceted significance to the asari. Taking Liara up on her offer as her lover or just her friend is pretty much the consummation of your journey with her. Everything you've experienced together as friends and/or lovers is coming back for this moment. It's reminiscing with an old comrade, but in a unique and almost spiritual way.

Now, why couldn't we have this with Samara, hm? If it were Samara instead of Liara in all of the aforementioned, it would mean just as much! This makes me a little sad.  :(


I think the rehabilitation of Liara, the friend, was complete with the little time-info capsule scene, which is also very touching and unique. I think the meld takes it a bit too far for some, even though I'm aware of its platonic significance to the Asari. It doesn't bother me, I've romanced Liara all the way through, it seems way better when they kiss though. I guess I'm selfish for wanting to keep that scene for Shepards who romanced Liara :P But I think it could easily have been given to the other Asari friend Shepard has in Samara. It adds more weight to it.

@gears her last line is something to that effect, and rather befitting. It's interesting that Samara, the one who's sworn all worldly possession and contacts, implores her friend to spend her time with those dear to her/him. It actually counts for character development, as minimal as it is.

Modifié par 7Mak, 24 avril 2012 - 04:14 .


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@ Mak, Yeah but, that one line, it offers none of what we were promised in ME3 for the Samara romance continuation.

And no Mak your not selfish for wanting to keep the Mind-Meld thing at the end between LI Liara and Sheps. In fact there would be many more happier fans if it had been done that way. I personally would have preferred it be that way too. But then again after ME3 I likely have more hate for Liara than I ever did. All due to spite at her being crammed down my throat a bit too much. On top of that I felt that Liara was the only squad mate that got any attention in ME3,

I'd have liked more from Vega, Javik, Ashley, Garrus,Tali and EDI, along with Steve and Samantha (Sam especially could have been way more fleshed out) Not to mention all the pain inflected upon me for liking the ME2 cast best. I was only satisfied with Mordin having the last moments of his life in game. Not having many years left, it just felt right for him to go out the way he did.

I'd have liked an exclusive Samara mind-meld and extra special content for LI Samara/Sheps. Ya know to at least feel like we didn't get throw out the window.

@Bromanov the "where Shepard finally gets to see the blizzard behind Samara's icy eyes... " man oh man, those eyes of hers. I could get lost in them forever. When she looks at ya it feels like she can see right into your soul, it's also relaxing and offers a sense of calm and peace?

The Paragon Stare in deed.



OHH yeah and can we get maybe 3 more Samara letters sent in for the LIA project? I really would like to see 8 Samara letters, only 1 day left.

Here is an idea do ya think the Code would demand that Han'Garrel be killed for his actions? I mean the dudes lust for war resulted in many deaths, and he just continued on his merry way enjoying all of carnage. Han only stopped his war lust at the last second, and that was due to self preservation, Han' didn't want to die so he finally decided to hold back.

What do you think the Code would make of Han'Gerrel's actions?

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gearseffect wrote...

Here is an idea do ya think the Code would demand that Han'Garrel be killed for his actions? I mean the dudes lust for war resulted in many deaths, and he just continued on his merry way enjoying all of carnage. Han only stopped his war lust at the last second, and that was due to self preservation, Han' didn't want to die so he finally decided to hold back.

What do you think the Code would make of Han'Gerrel's actions?


So, the kode kills all reckless bastards now? He started liberation war (reckless bastard, he is), and many Quarians were with him - so we should kill most Quarians now? He had no intention to slaughter the innocent, Geth were very strong force, so were Quarians.

Or should code punish the war between two hostile (come on, theese people never differ "Heretics" and true geth) nations by killing generals? It makes no sense.

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Han'Gerrel is technically a politician. Justicars are sworn to stay out of politics. Also, quarians don't have a "space" (or maybe they do, depending upon Shepard's actions), but it's not asari space, and asari space is the formal jurisdiction of Justicars.

I think Samara the Individual might be inwardly miffed by his recklessness.

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Specifically, what would be made of Han'Gerrel firing on the dreadnought and nearly killing Shepard and co? (For the record, I've never missed the interrupt to sucker punch him)

While playing The Old Republic it has occurred to me that Samara the Justicar might not mesh well with Jedi. If only for the fact that while the Jedi seem to show mercy and offer redemption to even the darkest of souls - the Code would likely have them pay for their crimes instead.

Thoughts? You guys tend to elaborate on things far more than I could ever manage.

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What ending do you think would samara have chosen?

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@Ashira I too always sucker punched Han'Garrel. In fact the one part in Dreaming after Death is sort of what got me thinking about this whole deal.
I was wondering if The Code maybe had some sort of standpoint on mindless slaughter. It appears the consensuses is NO. Being a War Mongering Trigger Happy fool who throws lives away worse than we flush turds and TP is not an unforgivable act.

In a youtube vid I watched Renegade Shep said something along the lines of Krogan being "a race of trigger happy fools who shoot at anything" That Ren Shep, had obviously not spent much time around Han'Garrel, he will later that's for sure. I thought Han"Gerrel was a trigger happy loon in a league of his own.

@ENorman The Ending Samara would chose Destroy the Reapers.

@Ashira, I shall once again elaborate, I've not played the Old Republican, But I've seen all 6 Star Wars movies many, many, many, times, and read many books, and played many games.

I do Not think Justicars would agree with Jedi, I can't see the Code approving of taking kids away from their happy good families for any reason. Not to mention to train these kids form a very young age to be Warriors/Jedi. I think it would be akin to brainwashing a child, Something The Code would demand someone die for.

Also the Code would make a Justicar kill Anakin for being a turn coat and getting all the Jedi killed, along with killing all the younglings. Obi-Wan just cut his legs and arm off and left him burning. A Justicar would have killed him.

Now I'm wondering what a Justicar would think of Yoda sitting on his butt in that Swap doing nothing but hiding while the Empire goes about it's merry way? "Yoda be good, Pure brightest of white light, Ultimate saint do no wrong Yoda does, only hides he does"

Umm yeah OK A Justicar would go out there and die fighting, not hiding. Jedi just let too many go free and stuff slide by. A Justicar would not see eye to eye on many of the Jedi ways.

Samara would likely use her biotics to throw Yoda off Degabah and into space for hiding there.

As Yoda goes hurling into space eyes all bugged out "ARGHAA Strong the Force is within this one, Control your feelings you need too ARGHAAA,"

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ENorman94 wrote...

What ending do you think would samara have chosen?


For Samara, the Catalyst would take the form of Morinth. It wouldn't end well for the Catalyst. Samara would find a way to kill it, because that is what the Code dictates, thus ending the cycle without crippling the galaxy.

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Samaritans, I am contemplating continuing my quickfic series of the exploits of Samara in her hunt of Morinth. Though I'm not quite sure if I have the time for it. If anyone else is interested in continuing it, I'd be happy to help facilitate. They are quick and fun to write, basically like comics with Samara as the superhero and Morinth as her archnemesis.

Disease & Disorder: Alpha
Disease & Disorder: Adaptation
Disease & Disorder: Pain Killer

Or if anyone wants to offer new scenarios, I'd like to hear them.

Modifié par 7Mak, 24 avril 2012 - 11:45 .


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I'd really like to see a picture of Samara in the armor that the Asari Justicar in multiplayer wears. The armor is form-fitting and functional, with plates over vital organs and joints, while providing enough flexibility to allow full range of movement.

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Meanwhile on Ashira's Tumblr!

^---relevant to Samaromancers.

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AshiraShepard wrote...

Meanwhile on Ashira's Tumblr!

^---relevant to Samaromancers.

Nice! Thank you for sharing this Ashira! This is so true, people need to take us seriously.

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Premier Bromanov wrote...

I'd really like to see a picture of Samara in the armor that the Asari Justicar in multiplayer wears. The armor is form-fitting and functional, with plates over vital organs and joints, while providing enough flexibility to allow full range of movement.


This reminds me of something that happend the other night when I was playing MP. I was running around as my Batarian Soldier named Blotzzer, and someone on my team had an Asari Justicar in a Redish outfit and every time I saw her I did a double take like"Whoa Samara god dangit," I hope my Batarian didn't offend the Justicar by constently doing a double take whenever he saw her.

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AshiraShepard wrote...

Meanwhile on Ashira's Tumblr!

^---relevant to Samaromancers.


Ummm where did that happen? The Dude!Shep banging super mifl thing? Was that in my thread about demanding LI DLC for Samara? That ended up with my creating the group?

Because I seem to recall something some fool saying "everyone who wants to romance Samara just wants to bang an Asari Milf" in that thread.

Some of the stuff seen in that link can never be unseen, and I wish I had never seen it

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AshiraShepard wrote...

Meanwhile on Ashira's Tumblr!

^---relevant to Samaromancers.


Well, internet couldn't exist without retarded people.

But some of them, like that one, are truely... brainless.

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It was from another tumblr post I saw and I ust kind of had the internal reaction of turning into a gorilla and smashing the computer :P

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AshiraShepard wrote...

Meanwhile on Ashira's Tumblr!

^---relevant to Samaromancers.


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Make me unsee it.

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AshiraShepard wrote...

It was from another tumblr post I saw and I ust kind of had the internal reaction of turning into a gorilla and smashing the computer :P


We've all had reactions like that, I feel your pain  *hugs*

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AshiraShepard wrote...

Meanwhile on Ashira's Tumblr!

^---relevant to Samaromancers.


Yeah, it was never about "bangin that MILF" for me. I admire her resolve, strength, and righteousness. She was a perfect fit for Aedan who was very much one for honesty and justice. 

Also, I would have loved a melding scene with Samara. That would not have been OOC at all.

Dang it all! Where are the modders? :P

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HEY ALL Last day to get those Samara Letters sent into the LIA Project 2. As of now I see 6 Samara Letters COME ON 2 MORE PLEASE??????? At the lest I'd love to see 8 letters the sky is the limit for the most.

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Please play SP Saturday to get a great Ending DLC made.

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- Who are you and what is your motivation?

We are fans of the Mass Effect franchise who were disappointed by the way the ending of Shepard's story was handled. We want to maximize the chances that fans will be satisfied by the Ending DLC. While many of us are Retake/HTL members, we do not claim to speak for the majority of either group.


- Retake has already won. What is the point of this?

While the production of a free Ending DLC is a step in the right direction, the announcement Bioware made was vague and could apply equally well to either a multi-hour playable extravaganza or a handful of epilogue slides stating things like: "ReaperGarrus lived for many happy days on Gilligan's planet before he finished consuming Tali's dead body and died of starvation." Our goal is to help Bioware get the funding it needs to produce the former.


- Why didn't you specify what a "satisfactory ending" is?

The fanbase is diverse and not everyone wants the same thing. (However, we suspect very few people will be moved to boycott Bioware if MORE CHOICES are provided.) Also, we trust that the company which made the Tuchanka missions is more than capable of pleasing the majority of fans if they internally peer-review their work. It is not our intent to demand specific plot points or outcomes. Bioware has over 600 pages of fan feedback and multiple polls to point them in the right direction.


- Why should I take part in Turn it On/Turn it Off?

If EA is presented with clear evidence that the quality of the Ending DLC will mean the difference between regaining supportive fans and driving away their customers, we believe they will finance a better product. It is imperative for people who can't currently bring themselves to replay the SP campaign to stand up and be counted instead of being written off as a "lost cause." Also, it's important that the "wait and see" crowd make their voices heard now while we still have time to effect positive change. Finally, it's free and easy to do.


- Why are you trying to destroy Bioware?

We're not. We want them to make an Ending DLC that is worthy of the rest of the game and then reap the rewards of their success. To that end, many of us will encourage our friends who haven't played Mass Effect 3 to download the demo (http://masseffect.com/about/demo/) during Phase 1. We are more than willing to bring new customers to the franchise if the ending is fixed properly.

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