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[mnomaha]

LOL Warlock, I'm just having fun. I don't *hate* Liara, but yeah jealous as hell at all her content. It was funny at the time, but I will stop if it really does offend you. That is certainly not my intent.

[Premier Bromanov]

Does Samara not have a "War Asset" forum avatar?

[warlock22]

[quote]Jessica1995 wrote...


I never hated on Liara o.O
I just gave her that title in my little pic story, and well I guess it stuck for some people =/
Yea I do agree for a "Child" that's an incredible feat, but personality wise I still see her as a child.
Also IMO they kinda did Liara wrong in ME3, I liked her in ME2 and much more in ME1, but in ME3 it was kinda meh, she seemed annoying =/

In ME2, she looked like a grown woman, and she was kind of cold but it's completely understandable.
In ME3....those forehead wrinkles =/ It's like she's aging really fast. 
But that's just my opinon, and you really shouldn't care for my opinion.

The reason I see that most people don't like her is due to her getting more content or attention than other characters. Which honestly that really isn't a valid reason, it's what the content is rather than how much.

Quality > Quantity....always [quote]
Liara seemed the best in ME3, she had been around Shepard in ME1 and ME2 that she started to act more human. Which makes sence, and she's had to deal with some shady people for the past 2 years or so. Honestly its seems like she became more of her own character. The cute acward Liara is this there, its just hidden she's had to hide it and act cold/tough in order to be respected, feared and to survive. She's done that for while so some of it stuck and she made it her own

As for her forehead, yeah I saw that to:D But then I realized that she was just moving her eyebrow's up when she was looking up. So that happens to everyone if they do that, I even looked in the mirror and did it because I was curious   I liked her eyes a little better in ME2 same with Samara. And I'm not meaning to stop you guys from joking, and I'm not trying to be an a**hole. I guess its just one of those things were if I see someone say it  I just get on the defensive. Because even if ME1 shes says that she is barely an adult, so shes probobly in human years 18 or 19. Alomst 3 years go by so shes now like 21 or 22 human years, I'm 23 and I dont consider my self a child. So its just those things I guess. I do the same thing when someone says " Samara won't be with you, she made herself very clear" or "you Samara fans just want her because shes a MILF". And I just get on the defensive about that and I hate it when people use "MILF" as a term for Samara, and the same thing with calling Liara a "child".
But again I'm not made at you guys at all. From what Jessica said I missed part of the conversation and like I said its just one of those things. So its all good, I'm cool everything's gravy , continue on with the jokes.

[warlock22]

warlock22 wrote...

Jessica1995 wrote...


I never hated on Liara o.O
I just gave her that title in my little pic story, and well I guess it stuck for some people =/
Yea I do agree for a "Child" that's an incredible feat, but personality wise I still see her as a child.
Also IMO they kinda did Liara wrong in ME3, I liked her in ME2 and much more in ME1, but in ME3 it was kinda meh, she seemed annoying =/

In ME2, she looked like a grown woman, and she was kind of cold but it's completely understandable.
In ME3....those forehead wrinkles =/ It's like she's aging really fast. 
But that's just my opinon, and you really shouldn't care for my opinion.

The reason I see that most people don't like her is due to her getting more content or attention than other characters. Which honestly that really isn't a valid reason, it's what the content is rather than how much.

Quality > Quantity....always

Liara seemed the best in ME3, she had been around Shepard in ME1 and ME2 that she started to act more human. Which makes sence, and she's had to deal with some shady people for the past 2 years or so. Honestly its seems like she became more of her own character. The cute acward Liara is this there, its just hidden she's had to hide it and act cold/tough in order to be respected, feared and to survive. She's done that for while so some of it stuck and she made it her own

As for her forehead, yeah I saw that to:D But then I realized that she was just moving her eyebrow's up when she was looking up. So that happens to everyone if they do that, I even looked in the mirror and did it because I was curious   I liked her eyes a little better in ME2 same with Samara. And I'm not meaning to stop you guys from joking, and I'm not trying to be an a**hole. I guess its just one of those things were if I see someone say it  I just get on the defensive. Because even if ME1 shes says that she is barely an adult, so shes probobly in human years 18 or 19. Alomst 3 years go by so shes now like 21 or 22 human years, I'm 23 and I dont consider my self a child. So its just those things I guess. I do the same thing when someone says " Samara won't be with you, she made herself very clear" or "you Samara fans just want her because shes a MILF". And I just get on the defensive about that and I hate it when people use "MILF" as a term for Samara, and the same thing with calling Liara a "child".
But again I'm not made at you guys at all. From what Jessica said I missed part of the conversation and like I said its just one of those things. So its all good, I'm cool everything's gravy , continue on with the jokes.

[warlock22]

Damn it! Sorry double post.
Also @Tiberis that is an awesome fan art pic!

[gearseffect]

@Warlock hating on Liara? No it's more like we don't like how it felt like the writers didn't even make an attempt in ME3 to hide the favoritism of Liara. They handled her so bad for everyone that didn't have her as a LI that it just felt wrong.

It's nothing against Liara, and everything to do with the people who wrote and handled ME3. Pre-ME3 I loved Liara she was one of my favorites. I used to defend her from people claiming she was a writers pet. ME3 was a giant b!tch slap to the face. I was like all be damned it's true I' can't believe I never saw this before.

I say things about how she was handled in ME3, it's not meant to be a slam on Liara's character it's intended as a slam on the writers and ME3.

[warlock22]

@Gears I get that I guess. I thought she was amazing in ME3, there were so many touching moments with her. Like when she connected Shepard mind with her's and that beautiful scene happens(I teared up at that moment), its hard to describe but its like I fell in love with her all over again. But then again she was my LI so I can see were your coming from, but the way I look at it is that if shes not your LI then she's one of your best friends. Always trying to help in any way they can, she pop up unexpectedly or uninvited but her intentions are good.

And yeah I was pretty upset when I saw that Liara had all this amazing work done with her as a character and LI and the other characters didn't get the same thing. That is completely unfair, I thought to my self " wait a min I know that there are people out there who love Samara( me being one of them), Jack, Thane, Jacob, Tali, Garrus and so on just as much as I love Liara. I pretty sure that Liara is the only one who has a nude love scene. And I'm one of those people were I liked having a nude love scene but I don't look at it as porn I need to be clear on that. I see it as a very passionate, emotional, beautiful scene and it just makes your LI story more real. And seeing that no one else got the same time and love put into there LI story really upset me. So yeah the writers definitely made Liara there favorite and that's not right at all no matter what the writers say. Each LI should have had the same time and love put into them.

[gearseffect]

@Warlock no it's not porn to have them nude in the sex scene it's just more grounding and just does the job of making it feel like it should intimate.

I agree with ya that each LI got should have gotten the same amount of care and attention, the fact they didn't is inexcusable to me. I don't buy any excuses or the stupid it was EA not BW, they all had choices. All of them are guilty and at fault.

Sadly each of us has our own unique relationships with the characters in our Shepard's story. And the fact the writers tried to push Liara off on my Shep as his sounding board or emotional rock was upsetting.
Never once did I feel that Liara was the person my Shep would confide things in. If anything she was the one who always confided in him.
The character I felt my Shepard would have confided in most was Kelly Chambers, I mean she just seemed so warm and nice, my Shepard would have confide more in here then most anyone.

Another person he'd have confided things to was Thane, Thane was my Shepards best friend.

But both of 'em were not even present in ME3. So out of the who was there Garrus or as odd as it may seem Dr Chuckwas would have been the emotional wall for my Shep.

The stuff that they did with Liara was wrong and it would have been so much more better if they just kept it exclusive to her as a LI.

When people list the biggest epic fails from this day on it won't be the Jumping the Shark phrase it will be "Mass Effect 3ing it" or they "T'sonied it" or "They pulled a God Child" ME3 unless it gets some massive amounts of huge DLC/Expansion Packs, that are freaking way more better then anything ever put out before and fix fails of the game, namely the LI issues, and the lame @ssed endings, along with the fact that our choices don't make jack sh!t a differnce in the end, you can kill everyone and do as little as possilbe in ME1, ME2, and ME3, and get the very same ending. OUR choices don't mean jack sh!t not eve who our LI means anything, because the writers just felt everyone should have Liara as a LI.

As one person put it, I thought I was playing Mass Effect 3, not T'soni Effect. Too bad things turned out like they did there really wasn't any reason why ME3 didn't live up to everyone's expectations. It could have, it should have and it was possible, BW just didn't want it too they got lazy, I mean at times I really wonder if they just botched the game on purpose.

[warlock22]

Yeah I don't know why BW decided to ruin ME3. Of all the games why ME3 the third install to a trilogy. ME was BW baby and they destroyed it. I hope they can fix it with DLC, but like I've said before I don't think the EC DLC is going to give us sh*t. I mean you polish a turd its still a turd right? SWTOR cost over 200 million to make, a lot of that money should have gone to ME3. I would give up the MP in a heart beat if that meant ME3 was going to be what ME3 should have been, the great's game ever!

[gearseffect]

I know it is really something I scratch my head just puzzled "How did this happen? This series was so great, it's like it's not even the same game anymore." Questions and no answers and I really feel that ME3 felt like it was mearly a shell of the game it should have been.

It's like the game that was supposed to be ME3, well it's like the equivlent of a human body, but the human was killed and left out to rot in the woods, animals eat parts of him. His bones are taken, and when someone finds him well all that's left is his skull and a few other bones.

Well hell it's not even like that it's like the only part of the person is the skin its this flimsy layer and it don't got much mass to it. Everything that's under it is what makes it work. It's just skin.

Granted I don't know what goes into making video games, and programing and coding and all that stuff but, I would like to hope that via really great DLC/Expansion packs the single player can be saved and salvaged. Hell I'd pay $120 for ME3 if it was what we were told it would be. Hell I'd go and pay $200 for that game. Yeah I know it's lots of money but goddammit I'd be willing to do that and I make enough money that I could do that. Granted I'd have to put funds aside in advance each month but still I could and would do it.

[warlock22]

I admit it, if they fixed ME3 with the endings, LI , squadmates, auto dialogue all that stuff and I had to pay 200$ for it I would do it to. I love Mass Effect it mean's a lot to me and I'd be willing to pay if that meant we would get what we were promised

Modifié par warlock22, 01 juin 2012 - 08:54 .

[warlock22]

Posted this in the Samara group, figured I post it here to. It's a beautiful pic:wub:

[warlock22]

Nice job Jessica! Looks much better

[Saberchic]

Oh my god! That's such a beautiful piece of art done of Samara!

I came here to post this in case nobody saw it on deviantart. What a lovely surprise that was!

edit: ok. img is messing up. :-/

http://my.deviantart...sages/#/d51z5qr
http://my.deviantart...sages/#/d51z5qr

Modifié par Saberchic, 03 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[gearseffect]

*walks in, goes back to page 60*
*reads up to page 76, begins to weep*

7Mak, LizardViking, Ice Cold J, MrAtomica, Premier Bromanov, kelmar, Hadeedak, Saberchic, bool.exe,and some others with the standard DudeShep user pic, all been increasingly inactive in here, not to mention Ashira's been ever so silent, lurking in the shadows no doubt

My Sheps face says it all


saddened this thread is slowing dying, mixed fear and sorrow, this could very well be a sign of what is going to become of BSN


EDIT *gasps seeing Saberchic* *pounces hugs Saberchic*

With less sorrow, it is good to see you again in here, hopeful. Maybe this thread will begin to come back to life, with continued hope, maybe the other memembers will also make their way back into this thread.

Modifié par gearseffect, 04 juin 2012 - 04:37 .

[warlock22]

Saberchic wrote...

Oh my god! That's such a beautiful piece of art done of Samara!

I came here to post this in case nobody saw it on deviantart. What a lovely surprise that was!

edit: ok. img is messing up. :-/

http://my.deviantart...sages/#/d51z5qr
http://my.deviantart...sages/#/d51z5qr

This is amazing work! And a great pic of Samara:wub:

[mnomaha]

Gorgeous pictures!!!!!

And why in the Seven Hells is this on page 2???

[gearseffect]

Because I haven't gotten around to posting my drunk Samara pic, yet. I also haven't gotta around to making the one about

"Unable to reply as Samara turned away"
"It was in that moment Shep knew by the end he'd die...... alone...... .......with blue balls"

[Premier Bromanov]

As for why I haven't been posting in here, I got nothing more to say. I'm not one to post for the sake of bumping. We got so little material, and I got pretty much all of my thoughts out at once in that one long post I made months ago. Sorry, gearseffect.

[gearseffect]

Premier Bromanov, you don't need to be sorry for anything. Maybe I should be the one saying sorry, I keep coming in here hoping for some sort of long deep discussion going on, like there was way back when. It's not gonna happen I just don't know anymore, I just don't know. ME3 gave us so little and I now wish I'd have been here during the old ME2 days, with the old Samara thread. Back then I was too depressed and out of my mind that I don't think I could have even managed to figure out how to type a cohesive and understandable sentence. Let alone interact within an online community, hell I can rightly recall what year it was that ME2 came out. Well I can it was 2010 but everything about that year is a bit hazy the details of that time seem so foggy and unclear.

Hell the details of the stuff that happened between then and now ME3 being unleashed as an unholy terror upon the fans, all seem so unclear. How did it happen, was there really just 2 years in between ME2 and ME3, was that all the time I had with those wonderful characters 2 years? It all seems so foggy now. How did things go get to this point I wish I knew, the golden thoughts and memories I have of ME2 and ME1 seem as if they were from another life, another time, and place.

It's sad I can walk into almost any character thread and it's alive full of life and active, walk into Samara and we've been reduced to posting pics and mindless bumping because there isn't anything more to say we got nothing, we have so little support, and so very few Samaritans out there, most of us seem to have just simply poof vanished, occasionally one of 'em pops in. The only thing more depressing then Samara's thread is Jacob's thread, but at least even he has support from the other LI fanbases, Hell not a day harldy goes by that I don't see somewhere here someone saying Samara isn't a LI and we should forget about her. I don't know what's worse when I see that or when I see people listing the ME2 LIs and even ME1 and ME3 LIs that could use more content and the list looks like this, Miranda, Jack, Thane, Jacob, Ashley, Liara, Steve, Samantha, Kaidan, Tali, Garrus, and then at times someone will go the extra mile and add Kelly or Allers to the list.

It's a rare site when I see someone who adds Samara to the list, and even then It's someone who is connected to a Samara fan or something like that.

Maybe I just need to get away from this all, put it all behind me and attempt to move on and get on with things, maybe lingering here with so little left is not doing my health any favors, maybe it's just time I get away from it all............... I don't know.... all I know is it keeps getting me sadder and sadder each time I come in here.......

[warlock22]

No one needs to be sorry about anything. Samara keeps alot hidden and it makes it hard to talk about her. And we all were expecting to learn more about her in ME3 and they gave us nothing. So yeah its hard to see this form with such little activity. But the other Samara had pages up in the 500s. We could talk about what kind of person she was before she took her oath. It said in LOTSB that she was a "Sky ball champion". What was her bond mate like?

Iv'e also wondered how Filere would feel if Samara and Shepard were together? Would she be happy or feel that isn't right/ being uneasy about or betrayed? What if the Asari found a cure for Filere or better yet what if they do something like what BioWare was going to do with Thane where you find a cure? Would that be a way to help win over Samara? To see that her child is finally free. Would she be more open to having a family again? Since she wouldn't have to worry about having her children becoming AY's.

I'm sorry I know I'm throwing alot of idea's out there but I believe in this form and I believe in the Samara group. And all of you are amazing people and I cant see this form die, I wont. I will keep fighting for her, and maybe it will be for nothing but Samara means a lot to me and I wont stop. Because we dont know what will happen, so what we are doing right now I believe is the right thing. We are fighting and showing support for her just like what the Thane fans, Jacob fans, Jack fans all of them are doing. We sent in letters and pics just like they did and Project 2 is on its way I believe. So come guys lets stick with this we can do it!


Just as a reminder guys, shes worth it

So does anyone have any thoughts on the idea's I listed, I'm curious about you guys think about all of them

Modifié par warlock22, 06 juin 2012 - 07:23 .

[Imarikurumi]

ROFL that second pic... very true...

Man i really wanted Samara as LI, shes the only "mature" potential LI in the game, Liara is old but in terms of mentality, shes still a teen in a sense...

Bioware could learn more from Japanese Visual Novels, they always have a real actual variety of LI types...

Oh, and like you said, going after Samara means having to associate with her daughter, it would make an interesting love pursue...

Modifié par Imarikurumi, 06 juin 2012 - 08:23 .

[gisle]

Edit: directed at warlock22's questions.

I think the asari government just want to sweep the whole Ardat-Yakshi condition under the rug -- already doing it very well, I might add --, I don't know how young Elnora in ME2 is, but beleiving something affecting 70-100 millions is a superstition is sure proof of how well they hide this defect.

The Genophage it is created by salarians, so they know exactly what they're dealing with. It seems asari can't pinpoint exactly how Ardat-Yakshi manifests at maturity, only that it's exclusive to purebloods. Samara is considered dead if they player don't import, making DLC exclusive to ME2 players who have a save to import in ME3 might not be the best of ideas.

Falere is not really a child, as she is in her late 400s. She should understand if her mother wanted to find some happiness in all this, though she doesn't seem to have the best of judgement as Shepard had to drag her away from Rila. Falere have many other reasons to be angry at Samara though, like (almost) never visiting. TBH, I doubt Samara would have saught her approval.

I like the ME2 squad, they are an interesting bunch, it's a sahme there's none new and interesting in ME3, a human and an AI's avatar don't really count as they bring nothing new, unlike many of the ME2 squad mates. Kinda sucks too many of them are considered killed or never recruited, or killed off in ME3.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 06 juin 2012 - 08:57 .