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[Arlionis]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Edit: directed at warlock22's questions.

I think the asari government just want to sweep the whole Ardat-Yakshi condition under the rug -- already doing it very well, I might add --,

It's actually explicitly stated in the ME2 codex, the AY's are downplayed by the Asari "Government" (they actually don't have a formal government according to the codex) and a lot of resources are used in a galactic scale to downplay the AYs. 

Here's that Codex fragment: 

As a disproportionately wealthy species, asari employ their economic reach and media ownership to hide the AY pathology from the galactic community, placing most Ardat-Yakshi in monitored work programs or seclusion. Only the most aggressive cases are sentenced to sanitaria and prisons or to the execution lists of justicars.

[Saberchic]

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[CroGamer002]

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[gisle]

Arlionis wrote...

It's actually explicitly stated in the ME2 codex, the AY's are downplayed by the Asari "Government" (they actually don't have a formal government according to the codex) and a lot of resources are used in a galactic scale to downplay the AYs. 

They might not have a formal government, but I think influential matriarchs have some sort of elite going on. How else would the secret of Vendetta be witheld for an entire cycle...

[Premier Bromanov]

There was obviously a shadowy extra-governmental cabal. And I don't think Samara would be very fond of them, if their apathy and complacence led to the death of billions of asari.

[warlock22]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Edit: directed at warlock22's questions.

I think the asari government just want to sweep the whole Ardat-Yakshi condition under the rug -- already doing it very well, I might add --, I don't know how young Elnora in ME2 is, but beleiving something affecting 70-100 millions is a superstition is sure proof of how well they hide this defect.

The Genophage it is created by salarians, so they know exactly what they're dealing with. It seems asari can't pinpoint exactly how Ardat-Yakshi manifests at maturity, only that it's exclusive to purebloods. Samara is considered dead if they player don't import, making DLC exclusive to ME2 players who have a save to import in ME3 might not be the best of ideas.

Falere is not really a child, as she is in her late 400s. She should understand if her mother wanted to find some happiness in all this, though she doesn't seem to have the best of judgement as Shepard had to drag her away from Rila. Falere have many other reasons to be angry at Samara though, like (almost) never visiting. TBH, I doubt Samara would have saught her approval.

I like the ME2 squad, they are an interesting bunch, it's a sahme there's none new and interesting in ME3, a human and an AI's avatar don't really count as they bring nothing new, unlike many of the ME2 squad mates. Kinda sucks too many of them are considered killed or never recruited, or killed off in ME3.

Samara says that she doesn't know the route of the stigma. It could be from pruebloods, or just from two asari mating. And I know that Falere isn't a child , but to Samara that is still her child regardless of age most parents feel that way and it makes sence. And yeah I agree with you, I think that Falere would like it that Samara found someone to be with. Now Falere and Shepard would deffinlty have to sit down and talk because yeah I dont think she has the best opinion of Shepard after what happend.

It is possibly that Samara would not tell Falere, but I feel that at the same time Shepard or atleast my Shepard would want her to visit Falere and I think that Samara wouldn't feel right about not telling Falere. She may not care if Falere aproves or not but I think she would tell her.  And this is thinking way out side the box so bare with me here. But what if there is a cure but the Asari wont give it out, to keep Asari from mating with eachother. I mean that is frowned upon by the Asari because no gene's are gained by two Asari mating with eachother. The children from two Asari wouldn't be the best that they could have been ( I guess that's how they see it). They want to be in full control of the galaxy which they pretty much are, they also hid the Prothian becon from everyone to have all the power and knowlege to them selfs. Once again I know its out there but still something to think about

[gisle]

Falere did witness Shepard talking Samara out of suicide, should mean something.

A cure for Ardat-Yakshi is likely never reasearched, and if it existed, I would assume that would be better than hiding or monitoring over 50 million asari.

As for Vendetta, asari aren't short sighted, perhaps they saw the long run pros to outweigh the cons. Even Tevos/Irissa says so herself.

[warlock22]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Falere did witness Shepard talking Samara out of suicide, should mean something.

A cure for Ardat-Yakshi is likely never reasearched, and if it existed, I would assume that would be better than hiding or monitoring over 50 million asari.

As for Vendetta, asari aren't short sighted, perhaps they saw the long run pros to outweigh the cons. Even Tevos/Irissa says so herself.

Yeah I believe that Shepard saving Samara would count for something. And I know that the Asari most likey never made a cure or havent put to much time into finding one it was just a thought But I'm not sure if there are that many AY. I'm not that great at math and I cant do it off the top of my head but the codex says that 1% of the Asari race in AY. Butn then again there a billoins of Asari so you might be right. It just doesn't seem right though, if there were that many I think Samara would know about it, perhaps the other Justicars as well.

[warlock22]

Imarikurumi wrote...

ROFL that second pic... very true...

Man i really wanted Samara as LI, shes the only "mature" potential LI in the game, Liara is old but in terms of mentality, shes still a teen in a sense...

Bioware could learn more from Japanese Visual Novels, they always have a real actual variety of LI types...

Oh, and like you said, going after Samara means having to associate with her daughter, it would make an interesting love pursue...

 I also wanted to know more about Falere and Rila. Possibly threw more talking with Falere. Falere could also give us insight to who Samara is before she took the oath, get to know her true self  That element would make a very interesting and emotional LI story for Shepard and Samara.

[gisle]

warlock22 wrote...

 I also wanted to know more about Falere and Rila. Possibly threw more talking with Falere. Falere could also give us insight to who Samara is before she took the oath, get to know her true self  That element would make a very interesting and emotional LI story for Shepard and Samara.

Morinth's impression of her (I YT'd it, I would never kill Samara in-game) was that she was a strict religious mother, but a less hateful perspective would be better, and 473-year-old Falere would more likely understand why her mother did what she did, at least more than 42-year-old Falerer did in the recorded call in the Shadow Broker database.

A DLC with the Ardat-Yakshi theme would be very interesting, having Samara and Falere part of it, maybe even some mission on Thessia itself, but then again, it must be compatible with No-Samara ME3 playthroughs, as Samara never being recruited and dying is the default choice if no ME2 save is imported. There's so much DLC potential in ME3 for SP DLCs, shame the ending was bad enough to make the EC neccesary and have everything hinge on how well it satisfies the angry fanbase.

A samara LI aspect of it will probably not be as satisfying as you might expect, as it would likely depend on the ME2 romance-attempt and she's not exactly the most popular choice compared to Liara, Tali, VS and Miranda. However, anything is better than nothing at all, right?

[Premier Bromanov]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

 I also wanted to know more about Falere and Rila. Possibly threw more talking with Falere. Falere could also give us insight to who Samara is before she took the oath, get to know her true self  That element would make a very interesting and emotional LI story for Shepard and Samara.

Morinth's impression of her (I YT'd it, I would never kill Samara in-game) was that she was a strict religious mother, but a less hateful perspective would be better, and 473-year-old Falere would more likely understand why her mother did what she did, at least more than 42-year-old Falerer did in the recorded call in the Shadow Broker database.

Where'd that come from?  How and why do you assume that she was religious?  Morinth claims that her mother was strict, but I don't recall her saying anything about religion.  I do kind of recall Morinth saying that Samara instilled in her children a strong sense of duty and right and wrong, but you don't necessarily need religion for those things (in b4 religious debate).

Also, it makes me chuckle when people think that Samara was a bad mother simply because she was a strict mother.  That does not follow.

[warlock22]

I think the religion thing came from when Morinth said Samara told her children to honor the goddess, to be good asari. But again this is coming from Morinth, and Samara said that Morinth will say anything to support her cause. Thats why I believe Falere would give a better incite to Samara.

[Premier Bromanov]

I don't remember that. Though, if Morinth said it, that would explain why I never heard it. Morinth never lasts long in my playthroughs.

[warlock22]

Yeah I hear ya. I only had one play threw were I chose Morinth over Samara, and that was the hardest thing for me to do. Morinth is a interesting character but shes no Samara by any means. Also I'm just wondering if anyone found it odd that Shepard was the one pulling Falere back from Rila and not Samara?

[Iecerint]

I think Samara is misrepresenting Morinth a little. Morinth's letters to her sisters in ME3 (if she's alive) show that she cares about them, sex vampire or no.

[Premier Bromanov]

warlock22 wrote...

Yeah I hear ya. I only had one play threw were I chose Morinth over Samara, and that was the hardest thing for me to do. Morinth is a interesting character but shes no Samara by any means. Also I'm just wondering if anyone found it odd that Shepard was the one pulling Falere back from Rila and not Samara?

Someone mentioned that Samara may seem distant to her daughters because she's been without them and any kind of love for so long.  They are her cause, but she's been cut off from actually loving them for so long, that she's maybe numb to an emotional connection tot hem.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 09 juin 2012 - 07:17 .

[gearseffect]

*Walks in wide eyed* I can't believe it ithis thread si active again, just the other day I mentioned how I was yearning for the old days of this thread, and then it was mentioned in the Motivational thread about this sort of thing being talked about the Ardat-Yakshi and stuff, and my god something is odd at work here.

[warlock22]

@Gears I tried to boost some morale and asked some questions on the last page:) The post of the questions is after your post.

[gearseffect]

About Falere and how she'd feel about her Mom and Shep being a couple.

Well we know that Asari are more sexually open than any race in ME. That being said I also think that they tend to be more accepting of their parents moving on and finding someone else. I could be wrong but I've think i makes sense.

Another thing I've said is when Shep prevents Samara from offing herself there should have been a renegade interrupt right there to steal a kiss. (so long as you attempted to romance her in ME2 and didn't romance anyone else after the attempted romance, and turned down any advances in ME3 too). Steal a kiss right there in front of you squad mates, and Falere, it sort of puts it out there in the open and Sheps feelings for Samara are not hidden.

If Falere (and Asari in generally) are like I said above perhaps Falere encourages her mother to stop running and hiding from love. "Mother don't deny it. I could see it in both you and the Commander's eyes. There is something there but you deny it and run from it"

Maybe not sure about the above dialogue, but yeah that's something I've been pondering is how would Farele see it, and how would she go about it. Farele likely has very little knowledge on humans let alone meeting one ever.

As for the Ardat-Yakshi debate I've always thought it odd that there isn't a vaccine shot given to all new born Asari's to prevent and take care of the AY thing before it manifests itself. I find it hard to believe such a thing don't exist but ehh. it is what it is. Given what the Salarian's can do to Krogan DNA and the Genophage I find it hard to believe that there is no way to prevent/cure AY.

Also so you all know in the default ME3 non ME2 import games, Jack is dead, Thane is dead Legion wasn't ever in the game, nor Grunt (I asume they got sold to Cerberus or lord knows what) Zaeed and Kasumi never were recruited. All the Normandy crew is dead too.

The only squad mates that are around is, Miranda, Jacob Taylor, Mordin, Tali, and Garrus. Everyone else is either dead or not recruited. As you can see I think that if Jack gets any DLC so can Samara, same with the other ME2 characters.

That's all I've got right now, oh wait nope in the LotSB files Samara had a lifelong membership to the Serrice fitness center, so it leads me to believe she and her bondmate, lived in or around Serrice on Thessia. That lifelong membership is sort of like hey here is the subtle clue why would someone have a lifelong membership to a fitness center halfway across the planet?

[warlock22]

gearseffect wrote...

About Falere and how she'd feel about her Mom and Shep being a couple.

Well we know that Asari are more sexually open than any race in ME. That being said I also think that they tend to be more accepting of their parents moving on and finding someone else. I could be wrong but I've think i makes sense.

Another thing I've said is when Shep prevents Samara from offing herself there should have been a renegade interrupt right there to steal a kiss. (so long as you attempted to romance her in ME2 and didn't romance anyone else after the attempted romance, and turned down any advances in ME3 too). Steal a kiss right there in front of you squad mates, and Falere, it sort of puts it out there in the open and Sheps feelings for Samara are not hidden.

If Falere (and Asari in generally) are like I said above perhaps Falere encourages her mother to stop running and hiding from love. "Mother don't deny it. I could see it in both you and the Commander's eyes. There is something there but you deny it and run from it"

Maybe not sure about the above dialogue, but yeah that's something I've been pondering is how would Farele see it, and how would she go about it. Farele likely has very little knowledge on humans let alone meeting one ever.

As for the Ardat-Yakshi debate I've always thought it odd that there isn't a vaccine shot given to all new born Asari's to prevent and take care of the AY thing before it manifests itself. I find it hard to believe such a thing don't exist but ehh. it is what it is. Given what the Salarian's can do to Krogan DNA and the Genophage I find it hard to believe that there is no way to prevent/cure AY.

Also so you all know in the default ME3 non ME2 import games, Jack is dead, Thane is dead Legion wasn't ever in the game, nor Grunt (I asume they got sold to Cerberus or lord knows what) Zaeed and Kasumi never were recruited. All the Normandy crew is dead too.

The only squad mates that are around is, Miranda, Jacob Taylor, Mordin, Tali, and Garrus. Everyone else is either dead or not recruited. As you can see I think that if Jack gets any DLC so can Samara, same with the other ME2 characters.

That's all I've got right now, oh wait nope in the LotSB files Samara had a lifelong membership to the Serrice fitness center, so it leads me to believe she and her bondmate, lived in or around Serrice on Thessia. That lifelong membership is sort of like hey here is the subtle clue why would someone have a lifelong membership to a fitness center halfway across the planet?

The renegade option sound great, just not right there. I mean she did just loose Rila, I dont think that would be the right moment even for a renegade. Plus the mood was very sad and depressing and I thnk that would take the seriousness of the scene. But than again if it was done the right way then it might work. But yeah the Asari are more sexually open than any other race, thier hot and they know it But anyway I do think that Falere would push Samara into having a relationship with Shepard.

Also I'm glad you brought up the fitness thing, I forgot to mention it in my ealier post.  i just find that interesting and cool because it show that Samara was/is a real person just like the rest of us. I would love for Samara and Shepard to hook up and work out together, both ways  

Did anyone think Samara was still acting strange or diffrent on the Citidel when you talk to her. I know she said that she wasn't her self back at the AY monostar but to me she still seemed off, almost tierd or something. Anyone else get that feeling?

[warlock22]

Jessica1995 wrote...

Just read your post Warlock, I agree completely.
I wanted to talk to Falere to learn more about Samara. You know...say..something I've been always wondering, what is Samara's last name?
It would also be a good moment to learn about Samara's other bondmate and what she (I'm assuming it was another Asari) was like, and learn what characteristics of hers drew in Samara. I mean, I'm assuming she'd know quite a bit about Samara's bondmate. Unless something happened to her very early on in Falere's childhood.


On the Shepard pulling back Falere instead of Samara, I think Bioware just got lazy since that's the same animation if Samara wasn't there (If she died in ME2). So they kept with that same animation to save time...and 'money' that I guess they didn't have o.O

Yes! That is something that I would really like to know is her last name. And I'm almost positive that Samara's bond mate was another asari. She believes her children being AY is her fault, I assume because she chose to be the mother. She says that only pruebloods carry the stigma, so I guess the other asari was not a prueblood. But I also thought she said that it may just happen when two asari mate, I'm not sure.

As for Shepard pulling Falere away instead of Samara, it could be because the writers wre lazy. But Premier Bromanov has a good point. I can see Samara just being away from love for to long that she has become numb/forgot the feeling of it. When Falere hugs her it was so sad to see Samara not hug her back, but its almost like she didn't really know what to do right there. I still have little bit of a problem with that because she came back for them because she's loves them. There shoudl have been alot more dailogue in that scene with Samara and Falere there. We should've been able to ask question to Falere about Samara and Samara about Falere. Get alot more information about them and about there past. But than again there should have been alot more dailogue in ME3 in general, I mean alot more.

Modifié par warlock22, 10 juin 2012 - 02:28 .

[gearseffect]

The whole Lesuss Monastery mission felt half @ssed. It was like a shell of what it could and SHOULD have been. It could have benefited from more dialogue, more dialogue options, and investigate, along with less auto-dialogue. (which really the whole game needed much more of that stuff and less auto-dialogue).

Another thing that my mind finds odd, is that Shep and Samara parted ways 6 months ago, so why did Samara wait until the Reapers hit home, to go and see/save her daughters. It's something I've been trying to figure out, and it's also something I am going to explore the reasons behind why Samara waited until.... the galaxy was crumbling to go check on Rila and Falere.

One of the things I'm playing around with for later in Awakening is, well I don't know if you've all heard of how in law school Lawyers are thought to create a moral vacuum so they can provide even the guiltiest clients a defense.

Well I'm playing around with the idea of Justicar's having something similar, only maybe it's more like a personal vacuum. Where the Justicar separates from the person where the person and their personal lives, friends, family, loved ones, and so on get thrown into so a Justicar can carry out the code even if that means killing someone who means something to the person.

If you read the first chapter of Awakening I was very careful in setting things up and showing the early stages of that idea. It all was there in how I worded things about Morinth, I'd refer to her at times as the Ardat-Yakshi, and stuff when it was the Justicar side needed to kill Morinth.

I never once used Mirala (which from the files in LotSB that was either another alias Morinth used or it was her birth/real name). I'm still in the process of developing that sort of vacuum and I am currently undecided on much several of the ideas and options that vacuum will bring to the table.

Now it looks like I've gone and shared info on my plans for later in my Fanfic again. This is the only thread I've ever been so opps here ya go there is some tidbit more insider looks at things I'm planing. God I miss these old deep talks that used to be common in the Samara thread.

The fact that this is the only character thread with such deep, intellectual, thought provoking, and just mature and deep conversations just shows how deep and mature Samara's character is. How much there is to her, and how very complex a character she is. She's truly a very unique and different character than any of the other ME characters.

Oh that is one of the things I love about you Samara, you so different, so deep, so mature, so unique no one else compares to you.

Also can't help but notice that I enjoy people who can get me to think and challenge me to think of things in new ways, challenge me to grow, and be better, stimulating my brain.

[warlock22]

gearseffect wrote...

The whole Lesuss Monastery mission felt half @ssed. It was like a shell of what it could and SHOULD have been. It could have benefited from more dialogue, more dialogue options, and investigate, along with less auto-dialogue. (which really the whole game needed much more of that stuff and less auto-dialogue).

Another thing that my mind finds odd, is that Shep and Samara parted ways 6 months ago, so why did Samara wait until the Reapers hit home, to go and see/save her daughters. It's something I've been trying to figure out, and it's also something I am going to explore the reasons behind why Samara waited until.... the galaxy was crumbling to go check on Rila and Falere.

One of the things I'm playing around with for later in Awakening is, well I don't know if you've all heard of how in law school Lawyers are thought to create a moral vacuum so they can provide even the guiltiest clients a defense.

Well I'm playing around with the idea of Justicar's having something similar, only maybe it's more like a personal vacuum. Where the Justicar separates from the person where the person and their personal lives, friends, family, loved ones, and so on get thrown into so a Justicar can carry out the code even if that means killing someone who means something to the person.

If you read the first chapter of Awakening I was very careful in setting things up and showing the early stages of that idea. It all was there in how I worded things about Morinth, I'd refer to her at times as the Ardat-Yakshi, and stuff when it was the Justicar side needed to kill Morinth.

I never once used Mirala (which from the files in LotSB that was either another alias Morinth used or it was her birth/real name). I'm still in the process of developing that sort of vacuum and I am currently undecided on much several of the ideas and options that vacuum will bring to the table.

Now it looks like I've gone and shared info on my plans for later in my Fanfic again. This is the only thread I've ever been so opps here ya go there is some tidbit more insider looks at things I'm planing. God I miss these old deep talks that used to be common in the Samara thread.

The fact that this is the only character thread with such deep, intellectual, thought provoking, and just mature and deep conversations just shows how deep and mature Samara's character is. How much there is to her, and how very complex a character she is. She's truly a very unique and different character than any of the other ME characters.

Oh that is one of the things I love about you Samara, you so different, so deep, so mature, so unique no one else compares to you.

Also can't help but notice that I enjoy people who can get me to think and challenge me to think of things in new ways, challenge me to grow, and be better, stimulating my brain.

You know I never thought about that but your right. I wonder what Samara did for those 6 months. My guess is that she was off righting wrongs in the galaxy. And the vacuum thing is very intteresting, I can see Samara doing something like that.

And the fan fic things sounds awasome cant wait to read it! Samara really is one of in not the most unique character in the game. And now onw can really fight against that because she is the only character who acts like... well her. She's not a open book, she hides alot in and holds alot back, which that makes her so compelling and intriguing.

I also enjoy challenging questions, one that really make you think. Its alot of fun and it can get you to see things that you may have missed just like I didn't think about the whole 6 months thing. Talks like these expescially for this character for Samara just show how deep and believable she is. And have your brain stimulated is always a good thing, brain stimulations all around!