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[bool.exe]

Seeing these last posts, suddenly I got urge to do another playthrough of ME2 and hope that in ME3 everything will be different. But then I realized that what's done is done and it made me incredibly sad. Damn, It's almost half a year since I finished ME3. And this isn't about endings, they are fine in EC. It's about the story, characters and that stuff. So much opportunities to expand the story but no, Morinth remains as banshee in the end without dialogues, Reaper motives were expected to be more sophisticated, not just stupid bug in catalyst. So much characters wasted, so straightforward storyline.

Modifié par bool.exe, 30 juillet 2012 - 06:59 .

[gamaggedon]

bool.exe wrote...

Seeing these last posts, suddenly I got urge to do another playthrough of ME2 and hope that in ME3 everything will be different. But then I realized that what's done is done and it made me incredibly sad. Damn, It's almost half a year since I finished ME3. And this isn't about endings, they are fine in EC. It's about the story, characters and that stuff. So much opportunities to expand the story but no, Morinth remains as banshee in the end without dialogues, Reaper motives were expected to be more sophisticated, not just stupid bug in catalyst. So much characters wasted, so straightforward storyline.

lets just put it this way..me 3 isnt bad or anything..it is way better then most games...but me 3 when compared to the other me games lacks the story true...but i think the end game could have been an entire game on its own...there is so much story...so many characters to show and give an ending to that it is just TOO much content for a 35h game...they just did TOO much in me 2 character wise...and now it had to be cramped together

[LanceSolous13]

I'm afraid that I don't know the general Samara fanbase's reaction to her mission in ME3, but I persionally felt it was a bit...lacking.

I think a great idea would have been to visit a Justicar Temple or something and explore the Justicar Code some more. Having the Monistary be a part of the Temple would allow Filare and Rila to be in the picture as well.

The Justicar Code wasn't explored much in ME2 and I was really looking forward to seeing it explored. Who writes the code? What happens when a Justicar breaks her code? Is the Code static or is it constantly growing; a living document?

[gamaggedon]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I'm afraid that I don't know the general Samara fanbase's reaction to her mission in ME3, but I persionally felt it was a bit...lacking.

I think a great idea would have been to visit a Justicar Temple or something and explore the Justicar Code some more. Having the Monistary be a part of the Temple would allow Filare and Rila to be in the picture as well.

The Justicar Code wasn't explored much in ME2 and I was really looking forward to seeing it explored. Who writes the code? What happens when a Justicar breaks her code? Is the Code static or is it constantly growing; a living document?

its definetly true and the idea of exploring the code is really cool, but like i said before...they added too many characters in ME2 which means some get left behind, most notable samara, zaeed messani and katsumi goto...

[Premier Bromanov]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I'm afraid that I don't know the general Samara fanbase's reaction to her mission in ME3, but I persionally felt it was a bit...lacking.

I think a great idea would have been to visit a Justicar Temple or something and explore the Justicar Code some more. Having the Monistary be a part of the Temple would allow Filare and Rila to be in the picture as well.

The Justicar Code wasn't explored much in ME2 and I was really looking forward to seeing it explored. Who writes the code? What happens when a Justicar breaks her code? Is the Code static or is it constantly growing; a living document?

I agree.  Thessia, as a whole, felt all too brief.  The homeworld of the most powerful species in the galaxy reduced to a hallway?  Why? 

But I did predict that they'd put Samara in a situation where her adherence to the Code presents her with a conundrum that produces an unacceptable outcome.  A classic Paladin-breaker conflict.

[gamaggedon]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I'm afraid that I don't know the general Samara fanbase's reaction to her mission in ME3, but I persionally felt it was a bit...lacking.

I think a great idea would have been to visit a Justicar Temple or something and explore the Justicar Code some more. Having the Monistary be a part of the Temple would allow Filare and Rila to be in the picture as well.

The Justicar Code wasn't explored much in ME2 and I was really looking forward to seeing it explored. Who writes the code? What happens when a Justicar breaks her code? Is the Code static or is it constantly growing; a living document?

I agree.  Thessia, as a whole, felt all too brief.  The homeworld of the most powerful species in the galaxy reduced to a hallway?  Why? 

But I did predict that they'd put Samara in a situation where her adherence to the Code presents her with a conundrum that produces an unacceptable outcome.  A classic Paladin-breaker conflict.

for some reason for me asari are like a hate love sort of thing...they are as arrogant and self rightous as they are beautiful and wise...at one point i think having a asari wife is awesome and in the next i cant stand their guts...especially me as a human...but then again...it kind of makes it interesting 

[Premier Bromanov]

No more arrogant and self-righteous than humans.  I find some people like to make claims about the alien species, without first looking inwards, at themselves, at humans.  The alien species are only reflections of a human self, due to the limitations of creativity.  A unicorn. despite being a fantastical creature, isn't a uniquely novel fabrication.  It's just a white horse with a narwhal's tusk.

It tickles me when people make a claim like "the asari are all ****s."  When one takes a look at humans in the fantasy and sci-fi genres, it's the humans who are the ****s.  They'll **** anything!

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:22 .

[gamaggedon]

humans have their faults as well but thats not the issue here...what i found so enganging was the fact that humanity is very realistically displayed...wanting it all to fast which poses a threat to them and to others...and me being shephard having to represent humanity and doing the right thing made me think twice what is best for humanity and their "image"...just as much as i pitty the krogan..what was done to them was total cruel in a way..so i symphathize with them a lot...there is not much to sympathize for about the asari who are in fact the strongest and like shephard said in ME 3 during the temple mission "no wonder the asari are the strongest when they keep all the technlogy for themselves"
they control the entire galaxy...(in a way) and then are incapable of doing the right thing when the reapers arrive..who has to step in...humanity...

[Premier Bromanov]

That's an ignorant and unfair claim to make, gamageddon. Only a tiny cabal of asari were privileged to the knowledge that the prothean beacon even existed. The rest of the asari had no idea. You cannot blame the entire species for the irresponsible actions of a microscopic group. Just like I cannot condemn all of humanity for the actions of TIM. The only people you can blame are asari like Tevos, who admitted knowledge of the existence of the prothean beacon.

As for claims about the technological state of the asari, it is true that the asari were granted basic tools of civilization, like mathematics and agriculture, the asari took those tools and made better tools with them. Additionally, they did not even have access to all of the information on the beacon. In this way, the growth and evolution of asari civilization is as organic as any other species'. This is because, by the very nature of the Mass Effect setting, no species can claim to have evolved on its own, because species are forever evolving, and every species has come in to contact with the mass relays, a technology that was put there by the Reapers.

[gamaggedon]

of course tha asari got lucky when the protheans saw them as the most promissing species...but it does not give them or...councelor tevos the right to direct the evolution of one species into a direction they see fit...which they did with humanity...granted they stepped in during the contact war but there again...she steps in to stop the turians...so the turians are in the exact same position as humanity..."we" got lucky they stepped in...turians got unlucky..."we" got unlucky when tevos and the other councelors are guiding humanity in a direction...and then again what about the krogan ??? they definetly got ****ED over...poor people...

of course not every asari is like that...but i know people long enough to know that when their country is "better" then someone else (or as they believe) a certain mentality derives from it which affects a lot of people....taking this unto the asari

if tevos gives the asari people the power to guid any sepcies as she see fits...and sooner then you know from Tevos we go over to "we"...so its no longer tevos but "we the asari"

you know what i mean ?

Modifié par gamaggedon, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:39 .

[Premier Bromanov]

I don't see how that follows from what I said, gamageddon.

[gamaggedon]

u said that only a small portion of asari privileged to the knowledge of the beacons..thats not true...because this technology is used in every day life so in a way every asari has access to it...thats why they are so advanced

and to the las post of mine...i was refering to the fact what you said that you cannot judge all asari because of what tevos does...of course you cant but like i said if tevos does something right and privileges asari dominants then the asari pick up on it and start believing they are superior...its called national pride...

[Premier Bromanov]

gamaggedon wrote...

u said that only a small portion of asari privileged to the knowledge of the beacons..thats not true...because this technology is used in every day life so in a way every asari has access to it...thats why they are so advanced

and to the las post of mine...i was refering to the fact what you said that you cannot judge all asari because of what tevos does...of course you cant but like i said if tevos does something right and privileges asari dominants then the asari pick up on it and start believing they are superior...its called national pride...

But that is true.  Benefitting from the technology that came from the beacon isn't the same thing as the asari having knowledge of the beacon.  That's like saying that all of the species had knowledge that the Reapers built the relays, because all of the species use the relays.  In reality, only a tiny portion of people (Shepard & Friends, some politicians) know about the Reapers' existence.

Don't see what's wrong with pride, until it turns in to nationalism, racism (speciesism, in this case), and arrogance.

[gamaggedon]

personally..you can only have pride for something you have achieved yourself...and maybe your brother sister who ever...im german...so why should i be proud of what Goethe, Bethoven or any other german has done ? i had nothing to do with it...but i still do for some reason...and i believe...pride is the onyl thing that keeps humans from truly uniting...because with pride you walk a fine line until it becomes a superiority complex...and i have lived half my life on other places in this world...and i saw what can happen with pride...i had to take some ****.

the only time (in our case) the species truly unite is when there is common threat (reapers) and suddenly everyone works togehter...what do you think happens when this thread is over ?

one example in our history...soviet union allied with usa to take done germany...as soon as germany is defeated they pointed their nukes at each other...i could imagine same thing happening after the reaper wars..it all goes back to like it was...pride gives people sadly the rigth to believe their ways are better then the others

[Premier Bromanov]

Now that this conversation has turned to patriotism vs. nationalism, I think we should cut it out, because this is no way has to do with Samara.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:14 .

[gamaggedon]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Now that this conversation has turned to patriotism vs. nationalism, I think we should cut it out, because this is no way has to do with Samara.

:whistle:

ups 

yeah it happens...it is ME related but not samara related...we could try and make it samara related 

[gamaggedon]

to return to samara...if anyone has some ideas or inspiration on how i should write out a LI for ME 3 let me know in a private message...im leaving for wacken open air tomorrow...and wont return until sunday...then ill play ME 2 and 3 and try to find a possible solution and write out all scenes and dialogue...i know it wont be perfect and dont think it will go anywhere far but it might be a lot of fun

[bool.exe]

gamaggedon wrote...
lets just put it this way..me 3 isnt bad or anything..it is way better then most games...but me 3 when compared to the other me games lacks the story true...but i think the end game could have been an entire game on its own...there is so much story...so many characters to show and give an ending to that it is just TOO much content for a 35h game...they just did TOO much in me 2 character wise...and now it had to be cramped together

Right, then let's add Javik and Vega, EDI, Traynor and Adams so the ME2 squadmates will be crippled in ME3. Why make it 35h game then? IMO there is no point in making awesome game with a lot of characters just to shut them down in the sequel. I'd better waited another year or two and paid twice as much as I did just to see finished game. Instead I wish I could unsee ME3. 
Hope there will be a lot of DLC to make this game worth it.
Anyway this is a bit off-topic. 
Premier Bromanov, nice signature lol.

[Premier Bromanov]

gamaggedon wrote...

to return to samara...if anyone has some ideas or inspiration on how i should write out a LI for ME 3 let me know in a private message...im leaving for wacken open air tomorrow...and wont return until sunday...then ill play ME 2 and 3 and try to find a possible solution and write out all scenes and dialogue...i know it wont be perfect and dont think it will go anywhere far but it might be a lot of fun

Enjoy Amon Amarth.

[gamaggedon]

@ bool.exe:
traynor and adams were ****...vega was boring. edi i thought there were a lot of good ideas about what it means to be alive (joker finally gets a girl) so that was ok...javik...the idea of him being totaly disapointing for liara was kinda cool...not what she expected..but this character had potential which was not used...thane got a nice dignified ending..same as wrex (if he dies) and mordin...jack was good...miranda too...jakob...samara/morinth...zaeed and katsumi got completely left behind....you could have gone with zaeed going down guns blazing thats what i expected...samara got a LI which could have been put at the VERY END to keep it interesting...and katsumi should have also been a squadmate

@ premier bromanov: Thx...seen em a lot but i will enjoy surturs rising

[warlock22]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

gamaggedon wrote...

u said that only a small portion of asari privileged to the knowledge of the beacons..thats not true...because this technology is used in every day life so in a way every asari has access to it...thats why they are so advanced

and to the las post of mine...i was refering to the fact what you said that you cannot judge all asari because of what tevos does...of course you cant but like i said if tevos does something right and privileges asari dominants then the asari pick up on it and start believing they are superior...its called national pride...

But that is true.  Benefitting from the technology that came from the beacon isn't the same thing as the asari having knowledge of the beacon.  That's like saying that all of the species had knowledge that the Reapers built the relays, because all of the species use the relays.  In reality, only a tiny portion of people (Shepard & Friends, some politicians) know about the Reapers' existence.

Don't see what's wrong with pride, until it turns in to nationalism, racism (speciesism, in this case), and arrogance.

Sorry Gamaggedon:? But Premier is right. But anyway I just saw the other post about getting back to Samara, and thats true so lets get back to Samara:D

[gamaggedon]

well everyone has their opinion and im cool with it...but the fact that i believe some asari might be arrogant and high nosed (in my opinion) adds to the complexity of the game and also to the way i look at samara (and liara as well allthough liara was still very young and does not come accros as arrogant) samara on the other hand at the beginning when "I" met here seemed arrogant because of this lack of emotion and my general opinion towards asari but also elegant and beautiful...made it more interesting for me to find that she is NOT as arrogant as I expected her to be and at the end tried hitting on her
so having this "prejudice" against asari made the experience with samara way more interesting...one of the main reasons i found her story so interesting and her as a potential LI even more interesting

[Ice Cold J]

Being one of my two favorite characters from ME2, I don't like how Samara was treated in ME3. She came off slightly as an unfeeling zealot, and her two conversation opportunities (at the Citadel and the good-bye in London) both left something to be desired to me.

[bool.exe]

She was treated as if developers were in a big hurry and just wanted to finish it ASAP.

[Premier Bromanov]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Being one of my two favorite characters from ME2, I don't like how Samara was treated in ME3. She came off slightly as an unfeeling zealot, and her two conversation opportunities (at the Citadel and the good-bye in London) both left something to be desired to me.

How did she come off as an unfeeling zealot?  The way she's silent most of the mission, while these horrible things are happening to her daughters?  I guess.  Though, a line that isn't said can be as important as a line that is said.  She was experiencing a tremendous amount of emotional anguish.  And, I think she knew that the situation was leading her to a situation that would break her.  It couldn't have been easy for her.

EDIT: And, yeah.  There wasn't enough Samara in ME3, period.  Just another casualty of the budget and time restraints that stripped out the greatness that could have been.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 01 août 2012 - 04:19 .