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[Ice Cold J]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

Being one of my two favorite characters from ME2, I don't like how Samara was treated in ME3. She came off slightly as an unfeeling zealot, and her two conversation opportunities (at the Citadel and the good-bye in London) both left something to be desired to me.

How did she come off as an unfeeling zealot?  The way she's silent most of the mission, while these horrible things are happening to her daughters?  I guess.  Though, a line that isn't said can be as important as a line that is said.  She was experiencing a tremendous amount of emotional anguish.  And, I think she knew that the situation was leading her to a situation that would break her.  It couldn't have been easy for her.

EDIT: And, yeah.  There wasn't enough Samara in ME3, period.  Just another casualty of the budget and time restraints that stripped out the greatness that could have been.

To me, her handling at the end of her mission was kinda messed up. Although noble.
She could not look past the fact taht her daughter was an Ardat-Yakshi, so she was either going to kill herself or kill her daughter until Shepard intervened.

[Premier Bromanov]

That's a classic Paladin-breaker scenario. To speak figuratively, Samara is two people - Samara the Mother, and Samara the Justicar. Samara the Mother was expressing herself in that moment. She had been pushed to the absolute limits of her endurance, and she was willing to kill Samara the Justicar in order to prevent the death of her remaining children. No, I'm not saying that Samara has multiple personality disorder, I'm saying that her character has this duality.

[warlock22]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

That's a classic Paladin-breaker scenario. To speak figuratively, Samara is two people - Samara the Mother, and Samara the Justicar. Samara the Mother was expressing herself in that moment. She had been pushed to the absolute limits of her endurance, and she was willing to kill Samara the Justicar in order to prevent the death of her remaining children. No, I'm not saying that Samara has multiple personality disorder, I'm saying that her character has this duality.

Agreed. In that moment we see the true Samara, the one that is hiding underneath. Now we need to see what the true Samara would do/want in a romance, and you saw what she truley wanted in ME2, just need to push a little more. And after helping Samara with her daughter(s) again, I think she trusts you even more and would be more open to the idea.

[mnomaha]

So...Leviathan DLC...with exciting *new* characters. Sorry, not buying. How about treating the existing characters a hell of a lot better first?

Are they totally freaking clueless?

[Premier Bromanov]

mnomaha wrote...

So...Leviathan DLC...with exciting *new* characters. Sorry, not buying. How about treating the existing characters a hell of a lot better first?

Are they totally freaking clueless?

"New" characters accommodate new players.  The ME games are, by designed, self-contained.  This is so that each installment can accommodate new players.  New players will replace disgruntled old players.  Nothing you did mattered, because it couldn't.  This is the story of the ME franchise.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 02 août 2012 - 09:24 .

[Saberchic]

So I had a thought the other day about Samara. I replayed the ending with my Aedan Shepard (the one who is totally in love with our fave justicar) to experience the Control ending for myself. Because I took Vega along on most of the missions, he was my flashback at the end.

So that got me thinking, while I absolutely LOVE James, it didn't quite work out for me. I was wondering if anyone thinks it would be possible for Bioware to have it flashback to Samara.

Here's how I'm thinking they can do it. They already track if you tried to romance her. If they add a few lines where Shep tries to pursue it again in ME3 when he meets Samara on the Citadel, and if the player chooses that option (regardless if Samara rebuffs the advances or not), then if the player hasn't hooked up with a romance option, then her picture pops up in the ending flashbacks (no matter what option you choose).

I know it looks like a lot of "ifs," but I think it could work. I would love for them to do something like this.

[bool.exe]

Nothing you did mattered, because it couldn't.

But they did release LotSB, didn't they?

[Premier Bromanov]

At its simplest, I think it should play the Samara flashback if you tried to romance her in ME2. As it is, you only get the flashback if she is dead. Who thought that would be pleasing to Samara fans? Anyway, to make it more complicated, I think it should play the Samara flashback if you didn't romance anyone in ME1, Samara in ME2, and no one in ME3. A true "gift" to the people who tried to romance her. Heaven knows Samaritans didn't get much for Samara in ME3 in the first place.

Like you said, the Samara almost romance has a flag. It's just that not much was done with it.

[warlock22]

mnomaha wrote...

So...Leviathan DLC...with exciting *new* characters. Sorry, not buying. How about treating the existing characters a hell of a lot better first?

Are they totally freaking clueless?

Same, I dont want new characters, I never did. I want the ME2 characters back, I dont know why they havent gotten the message, now it just feels like they are doing all of this out of spite. So fine, from what I've heard and read, BioWare has had some lay offs, EA CEO is being replaced, EA has lost 2 billion dollors in SWTOR and ME3 combined, ME3 is 30$ and SWTOR is going free to play. So there is your reward BioWare, for treating your fans this way, have fun

[mnomaha]

warlock22 wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

So...Leviathan DLC...with exciting *new* characters. Sorry, not buying. How about treating the existing characters a hell of a lot better first?

Are they totally freaking clueless?

Same, I dont want new characters, I never did. I want the ME2 characters back, I dont know why they havent gotten the message, now it just feels like they are doing all of this out of spite. So fine, from what I've heard and read, BioWare has had some lay offs, EA CEO is being replaced, EA has lost 2 billion dollors in SWTOR and ME3 combined, ME3 is 30$ and SWTOR is going free to play. So there is your reward BioWare, for treating your fans this way, have fun

I know right? They really are clueless. Did they think alienating several fanbases was going to be...lucrative? Oh hey, you freaking murdered my LI, take my money. Uh no, not in this lifetime guys.

...$30 is that the same as 19 GBP? I saw ME3 for that amount a couple days ago.

[bool.exe]

warlock22 wrote...
BioWare has had some lay offs, EA CEO is being replaced, EA has lost 2 billion dollors in SWTOR and ME3 combined, ME3 is 30$ and SWTOR is going free to play. So there is your reward BioWare, for treating your fans this way, have fun

You really think this is all because of ME3 and SWTOR? If so, may I ask you the proof? IMO we just need to wait. In ME2 they released dlc with Zaeed, Kasumi and they definetly weren't bad, DLC with Liara was one of the last DLC. We still have hope that something may change, am I right? 

[Premier Bromanov]

bool.exe wrote...

Nothing you did mattered, because it couldn't.

But they did release LotSB, didn't they?

I don't see how that's applicable to my claim.  The mission is still accomplished, whether the player did it or not, with minimal effect on the next game.  If you're referring to the hint at a prothean weapon at the end of the DLC, it's only a hint, and a vague one, at that, to keep the resolution of the Reaper plot in the third game, thus accommodating new players.  Simultaneously, this is why ME2 is only a diversionary excursion.

[bool.exe]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

bool.exe wrote...

Nothing you did mattered, because it couldn't.

But they did release LotSB, didn't they?

I don't see how that's applicable to my claim.  The mission is still accomplished, whether the player did it or not, with minimal effect on the next game.  If you're referring to the hint at a prothean weapon at the end of the DLC, it's only a hint, and a vague one, at that, to keep the resolution of the Reaper plot in the third game, thus accommodating new players.  Simultaneously, this is why ME2 is only a diversionary excursion.

Well, actually I meant that they added content with Liara, which was missing in ME2. 

[Premier Bromanov]

bool.exe wrote...

Well, actually I meant that they added content with Liara, which was missing in ME2. 

Need you to be clearer still.

If you're saying that they might add ME3 DLC for ME2 squadmates, the Shadow Broker DLC isn't the best thing to back up your argument.  Liara is plot-critical.  So critical, you can't complete ME1 without her.  So critical, that she's guaranteed to be alive.  So critical, she completes content without even needing the player.  The ME2 squadmates, not so critical, and not as popular as the ME1 squadmates.

[coldwetn0se]

I come bearing Samara (and Thane) goodness, courtesy of DA and found by Thane fan @Roxy.  (if you all have seen it already, my apologies for repeats.)


*EDIT* for link fail....bah!

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 04 août 2012 - 12:57 .

[bool.exe]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

bool.exe wrote...

Well, actually I meant that they added content with Liara, which was missing in ME2. 

Need you to be clearer still.

If you're saying that they might add ME3 DLC for ME2 squadmates, the Shadow Broker DLC isn't the best thing to back up your argument.  Liara is plot-critical.  So critical, you can't complete ME1 without her.  So critical, that she's guaranteed to be alive.  So critical, she completes content without even needing the player.  The ME2 squadmates, not so critical, and not as popular as the ME1 squadmates.

Why make Liara Shadow Broker? She was information broker in ME2 before LotSB, she isn't very subtle about that she is shadowbroker in ME3. What could've changed if she wasn't SB but was just ordinary information broker?
p.s I'm sorry that I'm not clear sometimes; it's because English isn't my native language.

Modifié par bool.exe, 04 août 2012 - 03:11 .

[warlock22]

bool.exe wrote...

warlock22 wrote...
BioWare has had some lay offs, EA CEO is being replaced, EA has lost 2 billion dollors in SWTOR and ME3 combined, ME3 is 30$ and SWTOR is going free to play. So there is your reward BioWare, for treating your fans this way, have fun

You really think this is all because of ME3 and SWTOR? If so, may I ask you the proof? IMO we just need to wait. In ME2 they released dlc with Zaeed, Kasumi and they definetly weren't bad, DLC with Liara was one of the last DLC. We still have hope that something may change, am I right? 

Yes I do, and my proof?? All this started happening about a week or two after ME3 came out. Why else would all this be happening now? If you want to see some of the article's, you can google them. I found alot of them on Retake.

Modifié par warlock22, 04 août 2012 - 03:58 .

[warlock22]

coldwetn0se wrote...

I come bearing Samara (and Thane) goodness, courtesy of DA and found by Thane fan @Roxy.  (if you all have seen it already, my apologies for repeats.)


*EDIT* for link fail....bah!

I love it!

[bool.exe]

warlock22 wrote...
Yes I do, and my proof?? All this started happening about a week or two after ME3 came out. Why else would all this be happening now? If you want to see some of the article's, you can google them. I found alot of them on Retake.

Well, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm just too pessimistic and don't believe in the fanbase power. Anyway, all we can do is wait and hope for the best.

[warlock22]

bool.exe wrote...

warlock22 wrote...
Yes I do, and my proof?? All this started happening about a week or two after ME3 came out. Why else would all this be happening now? If you want to see some of the article's, you can google them. I found alot of them on Retake.

Well, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm just too pessimistic and don't believe in the fanbase power. Anyway, all we can do is wait and hope for the best.

You dont believe in the fanbase power? Then how do you explain the EC DLC. Granted it was prue crap, just like most of us thought it would be, but still, that happend because of the fans.

[gamaggedon]

warlock22 wrote...

bool.exe wrote...

warlock22 wrote...
Yes I do, and my proof?? All this started happening about a week or two after ME3 came out. Why else would all this be happening now? If you want to see some of the article's, you can google them. I found alot of them on Retake.

Well, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm just too pessimistic and don't believe in the fanbase power. Anyway, all we can do is wait and hope for the best.

You dont believe in the fanbase power? Then how do you explain the EC DLC. Granted it was prue crap, just like most of us thought it would be, but still, that happend because of the fans.

why is the EC DLC pure crap ??? the ending without it isnt bad its just unclear about things...the DLC makes things clearer...in that respect its pretty good...if you dont like the entire message of the ending regardless of the EC DLC or not thats your opinion and thats cool.

but i find it unfair that the ME fans still **** about things they didnt like...its very good that BW listens to the fans...but at what point do they become a puppet of the users...at one point or another they decided the ending will be lik this and WE have to live with it.

granted other producer do not give a damn about the fans which is also wrong...but finding the golden middle is very difficult...and i see it coming that bw will need to say NO at one point or another...and everyone will be totally pissed off...we cannot expect them to do what ever we want. and saying ME franchise got totally crap because of the ending in my eyes is unfair. 
it just looks to me taht the ME fans are totally spoiled by the fact that BW listens to what they have to say and think...once you go down that path the fans believe they can ask for ANYTHING...

Modifié par gamaggedon, 05 août 2012 - 04:40 .

[gamaggedon]

Racimbavic wrote...

EC is useless as it does'nt fix the main logical failure, no ist just focuses on it.

And, having Liara in the End-Flashback instead of Samara even though you tried to romance Samara isn't acceptable.

well if BW wants it that way then it is that way and we cant do anything about it...the ending doesnt bother me that much 

which flashback are you talking about ?

[Premier Bromanov]

gamaggedon wrote...

Racimbavic wrote...

EC is useless as it does'nt fix the main logical failure, no ist just focuses on it.

And, having Liara in the End-Flashback instead of Samara even though you tried to romance Samara isn't acceptable.

well if BW wants it that way then it is that way and we cant do anything about it...the ending doesnt bother me that much 

which flashback are you talking about ?

We can denounce them and announce our refusal to buy their products, not so as to be coercive, but to voice our disapproval of the "artistic" merit they think their product holds.  Why buy from someone if they keep disappointing you?  Only idiots repeat a mistake.

However, I don't think they were ever concerned with losing their fans.  The ME games being self-contained and thus accommodating to new players means they can afford to drive people away each time a new game is released.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 05 août 2012 - 05:22 .

[gamaggedon]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

gamaggedon wrote...

Racimbavic wrote...

EC is useless as it does'nt fix the main logical failure, no ist just focuses on it.

And, having Liara in the End-Flashback instead of Samara even though you tried to romance Samara isn't acceptable.

well if BW wants it that way then it is that way and we cant do anything about it...the ending doesnt bother me that much 

which flashback are you talking about ?

We can denounce them and announce our refusal to buy their products, not so as to be coercive, but to voice our disapproval of the "artistic" merit they think their product holds.  Why buy from someone if they keep disappointing you?  Only idiots repeat a mistake.

However, I don't think they were ever concerned with losing their fans.  The ME games being self-contained and thus accommodating to new players means they can afford to drive people away each time a new game is released.

when ever i read this stuff about people ****ing about stuff...i have never seen another fan base that does it in the amount as the ME fans...it proofs two things in my eyes: they are devoted and second that they are a bit spoiled 

it just feels that way to me when i read stuff like this...ofcourse you do not need to buy their stuff..i personal will because they have (all most nothing wrong), its nitt picking,

and we are here discussing things about samara and other thigns that are wrong...but personaly i dont believe that there will be more stuff about certain characters lost during the ME 3 production...i wish i could see samara, zaeed and katsumi again in better form in ME3...but i dont believe in it:(