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[kshadowfox]

Don't know why you'd even get the Monastery mission in ME3 if she was unloyal in ME2. She'd be a much more distracted person, and probably not as close to Shepard.

And why shouldn't you get it? Shepard goes to investigate the Monastery not because of Samara, but because asari high command asked him/her to. Samara does it to ensure safety of Rila and Falere. It is pure coincidense that they meet and her closeness to Shepard has nothing to do with it.

But, wait. I thought Morinth manages to kill Samara, if the player doesn't do Samara's loyalty mission.

She doesn't. Either Samara manages to to kill Morinth offscreen, or she just postpones her hunt because the Reaper invasion is definitely more urgent matter.

[gamaggedon]

kshadowfox wrote...

Don't know why you'd even get the Monastery mission in ME3 if she was unloyal in ME2. She'd be a much more distracted person, and probably not as close to Shepard.

And why shouldn't you get it? Shepard goes to investigate the Monastery not because of Samara, but because asari high command asked him/her to. Samara does it to ensure safety of Rila and Falere. It is pure coincidense that they meet and her closeness to Shepard has nothing to do with it.

But, wait. I thought Morinth manages to kill Samara, if the player doesn't do Samara's loyalty mission.

She doesn't. Either Samara manages to to kill Morinth offscreen, or she just postpones her hunt because the Reaper invasion is definitely more urgent matter.

i have no idea what you guys are talking about i havent played me 3 or me 2 as renegade yet so i dont know how the story goes. all i know is that she takes your hand on the citadel if you are paragon and tried dating her in me 2.

if anybody has youtube link on the mission please post

[gisle]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

kshadowfox wrote...

Just dropping in to say hi to fellow Samara fans. Hope it is not unwelcome.

This isn't about the book just a thought. If you failed Samara LM in ME2 but she servived the suicide mission, what happens in ME3? Do you still see her at the Monastery? Doesn she say the same things or is her attitude towards you different?

One guy from Russian Bioware forums tried doing it once out of curiosity. IIRC, he said that he didn't notice any difference between loyal and unloyal Samara in ME3. Which is not nesessarily a bad thing, I might add.

Don't know why you'd even get the Monastery mission in ME3 if she was unloyal in ME2.  She'd be a much more distracted person, and probably not as close to Shepard.

But, wait.  I thought Morinth manages to kill Samara, if the player doesn't do Samara's loyalty mission.

That is if Samara is never recruited, which is the case in the no-import. Samara is taken into custidy by Anaya, but without Shepard to find out about Morinth, she fight her way off Illium and Morinth kills her. (http://www.gamefront...mport-from-me2/)

Maybe Morinth took advantage of her exhausted state after fighting the Nos Astra police force.

If Morinth survives, she'll attempt to contact her sisters, but the monestary personnel made sure her messages never reached Falere and Rila. Also, a suspicious proximity alarm in the monestary they still don't know what was.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 08 août 2012 - 01:31 .

[kshadowfox]

i have no idea what you guys are talking about i havent played me 3 or me 2 as renegade yet so i dont know how the story goes. all i know is that she takes your hand on the citadel if you are paragon and tried dating her in me 2.

We were talking about what happens in ME3 if Samara was unloyal in ME2.

However is Shepard is renegade and Samara survives their dilogue on the Citadel will be a bit different. Shepard will ask if she is going to kill him/her and she says that considering all circumstances his/her actions are acceptable by the Code. But she also will add that if Shepard does something dishonorable and she will be able to prove it, she would be obliged to find Shepard and kill him/her after the war is over.

That is if Samara is never recruited, which is the case in the no-import. Samara is taken into custidy by Anaya, but without Shepard to find out about Morinth, she fight her way off Illium and Morinth kills her.

Is this official information, or just some journalist's speculation? Because when I played without an import there were no mentions of Samara's (or Morinth's) fate at all.

Modifié par kshadowfox, 08 août 2012 - 01:44 .

[gisle]

kshadowfox wrote...

That is if Samara is never recruited, which is the case in the no-import. Samara is taken into custidy by Anaya, but without Shepard to find out about Morinth, she fight her way off Illium and Morinth kills her.

Is this official information, or just some journalist's speculation? Because when I played without an import there were no mentions of Samara's (or Morinth's) fate at all.

Mostly my speculation, based upon what would happen if Shepard wasn't present during when Samara's RM takes place -- Samara will not get the ship name and a day will pass. The fight her way off and Morinth kills her part.. maybe. She is not there at least, and Bioware likes to avoid anything players who haven't played ME2/1 -- or assumed haven't -- would be confused about.

[Ice Cold J]

gamaggedon wrote...

the last 4 posts sound like we just want more of samaras boobies and dont care about her character

SOUNDS that way, but not true. She's either my fave or second fave ME2 character (oddly enough, the other one is Zaeed. Figure THAT one out) and I love everything about her in ME2.

It's just kind of a funny inconsistency I felt that I saw.

And yeah, I would say she's the most beautiful female in the game (top 3 anyway). Definitely most beautiful squadmate.

[gamaggedon]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

kshadowfox wrote...

Just dropping in to say hi to fellow Samara fans. Hope it is not unwelcome.

This isn't about the book just a thought. If you failed Samara LM in ME2 but she servived the suicide mission, what happens in ME3? Do you still see her at the Monastery? Doesn she say the same things or is her attitude towards you different?

One guy from Russian Bioware forums tried doing it once out of curiosity. IIRC, he said that he didn't notice any difference between loyal and unloyal Samara in ME3. Which is not nesessarily a bad thing, I might add.

Don't know why you'd even get the Monastery mission in ME3 if she was unloyal in ME2.  She'd be a much more distracted person, and probably not as close to Shepard.

But, wait.  I thought Morinth manages to kill Samara, if the player doesn't do Samara's loyalty mission.

That is if Samara is never recruited, which is the case in the no-import. Samara is taken into custidy by Anaya, but without Shepard to find out about Morinth, she fight her way off Illium and Morinth kills her. (http://www.gamefront...mport-from-me2/)

Maybe Morinth took advantage of her exhausted state after fighting the Nos Astra police force.

If Morinth survives, she'll attempt to contact her sisters, but the monestary personnel made sure her messages never reached Falere and Rila. Also, a suspicious proximity alarm in the monestary they still don't know what was.

what da hell? i never thought about the option NOT rectruiting her at all. i wonder what other things might happen if i dont recruit other members as well ? ...that just got my attention...hell yeah need to try this out...THANKS MAN

[bool.exe]

gamaggedon wrote...
what da hell? i never thought about the option NOT rectruiting her at all. i wonder what other things might happen if i dont recruit other members as well ? ...that just got my attention...hell yeah need to try this out...THANKS MAN

What do you mean - not recruit Samara? How can you miss such an interesting character? Seriously, it's like playing ME1 without Wrex which is... possible, but is it worth it?

[gamaggedon]

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bool.exe wrote...

gamaggedon wrote...
what da hell? i never thought about the option NOT rectruiting her at all. i wonder what other things might happen if i dont recruit other members as well ? ...that just got my attention...hell yeah need to try this out...THANKS MAN

What do you mean - not recruit Samara? How can you miss such an interesting character? Seriously, it's like playing ME1 without Wrex which is... possible, but is it worth it?

dude ofcourse i would take her with me and i could never chose morinth over her 

but having this options makes it so much more interesting having all these choices and it adds to the replayability. 

and i know you will not like it but i killed wrex in my second ME 1 playthrough as renegade when they were arguing about the genophage cure from saren....just to find out what happens if i do when i continue playing in ME 2 and 3

[gisle]

bool.exe wrote...

gamaggedon wrote...
what da hell? i never thought about the option NOT rectruiting her at all. i wonder what other things might happen if i dont recruit other members as well ? ...that just got my attention...hell yeah need to try this out...THANKS MAN

What do you mean - not recruit Samara? How can you miss such an interesting character? Seriously, it's like playing ME1 without Wrex which is... possible, but is it worth it?

Yeah, but if you don't import, the game handles it as if you really, really went through ME1 and 2 as a paranoid idiot who can't take any sane choices in the name of not having cameos of characters new players who started in the end of the triologi won't recognize.

[gamaggedon]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

bool.exe wrote...

gamaggedon wrote...
what da hell? i never thought about the option NOT rectruiting her at all. i wonder what other things might happen if i dont recruit other members as well ? ...that just got my attention...hell yeah need to try this out...THANKS MAN

What do you mean - not recruit Samara? How can you miss such an interesting character? Seriously, it's like playing ME1 without Wrex which is... possible, but is it worth it?

Yeah, but if you don't import, the game handles it as if you really, really went through ME1 and 2 as a paranoid idiot who can't take any sane choices in the name of not having cameos of characters new players who started in the end of the triologi won't recognize.

i never play any of the other games without an import....its more fun that way but takes longer

[Premier Bromanov]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Yeah, but if you don't import, the game handles it as if you really, really went through ME1 and 2 as a paranoid idiot who can't take any sane choices in the name of not having cameos of characters new players who started in the end of the triologi won't recognize.

What's the difference between that and an imported game? 

[gisle]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Yeah, but if you don't import, the game handles it as if you really, really went through ME1 and 2 as a paranoid idiot who can't take any sane choices in the name of not having cameos of characters new players who started in the end of the triologi won't recognize.

What's the difference between that and an imported game? 

Depends on the import, the magnitude of said idiocity, but without import, it's maxed out. Shepard is still a badly written character in ME3.

[gamaggedon]

i dont think he is that badly written...but it seems to be the fate of a lot of good movies and games to make the final chapter of a story not as good as the rest...seems to be some sort of phenomenon

[bool.exe]

gamaggedon wrote...

i dont think he is that badly written...but it seems to be the fate of a lot of good movies and games to make the final chapter of a story not as good as the rest...seems to be some sort of phenomenon

Probably that's because everybody hates when awesome story comes to an end.

[Premier Bromanov]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Yeah, but if you don't import, the game handles it as if you really, really went through ME1 and 2 as a paranoid idiot who can't take any sane choices in the name of not having cameos of characters new players who started in the end of the triologi won't recognize.

What's the difference between that and an imported game? 

Depends on the import, the magnitude of said idiocity, but without import, it's maxed out. Shepard is still a badly written character in ME3.

I was joking about it not mattering in ME3 whether those characters live or die, because they'll have minimal presence in the game, because new players wouldn't recognize them.

[gisle]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

I was joking about it not mattering in ME3 whether those characters live or die, because they'll have minimal presence in the game, because new players wouldn't recognize them.

I know...  I think I failed to make my answer half-serious, at least the first sentence.

I played no-import first as I bought it for PS3 to avoid Origin. The differense is there, and I enjoyed the time I had an ME2 import better. Maybe if they didn't give it the least development time of the three games, when it clearly needed the most...

I think the monestary mission was interesting without Samara too, as there was a bit more interaction with Falere, been too long to recall what exactly and it's hard to find a YT vid of it.

gamaggedon wrote...

i dont think he is that badly
written...but it seems to be the fate of a lot of good movies and games
to make the final chapter of a story not as good as the rest...seems to
be some sort of phenomenon

(If you're a femShep player, replace "he" with "she" in your head)
He can't ask the obvious questions anymore when curious things happens (concilor helping Aria, etc...). He often have only two options, something and the same something rephrased with an angrier tone. Like with Joker's joke after Priority:Thessia, it might be unfitting, but hell, it's true. The game might have more dialogue line than ME1 and 2 combined, but it did not seem like it at all.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 09 août 2012 - 12:11 .

[warlock22]

Hey guys, this is a survey from Retake IL about what was your favorite ME game, female LI, male LI, best character, fight scene etc. i had to get them to add Samara for favorite female LI. They had Morinth listed but not Samara, saying that you cant romance Samara but you can romance Morinth o_O. I know it didn't make any sense to me either, but either way I got them to add Samara. So here it is Samaritans, have at it

https://docs.google...._source=message

[warlock22]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

I was joking about it not mattering in ME3 whether those characters live or die, because they'll have minimal presence in the game, because new players wouldn't recognize them.

I know...  I think I failed to make my answer half-serious, at least the first sentence.

I played no-import first as I bought it for PS3 to avoid Origin. The differense is there, and I enjoyed the time I had an ME2 import better. Maybe if they didn't give it the least development time of the three games, when it clearly needed the most...

I think the monestary mission was interesting without Samara too, as there was a bit more interaction with Falere, been too long to recall what exactly and it's hard to find a YT vid of it.

gamaggedon wrote...

i dont think he is that badly
written...but it seems to be the fate of a lot of good movies and games
to make the final chapter of a story not as good as the rest...seems to
be some sort of phenomenon

(If you're a femShep player, replace "he" with "she" in your head)
He can't ask the obvious questions anymore when curious things happens (concilor helping Aria, etc...). He often have only two options, something and the same something rephrased with an angrier tone. Like with Joker's joke after Priority:Thessia, it might be unfitting, but hell, it's true. The game might have more dialogue line than ME1 and 2 combined, but it did not seem like it at all.

Because most of it was dialogue that you just heard, but could not participate in. I hated it. That and the damn auto dialogue and having no middle ground option.

[gamaggedon]

warlock22 wrote...

Hey guys, this is a survey from Retake IL about what was your favorite ME game, female LI, male LI, best character, fight scene etc. i had to get them to add Samara for favorite female LI. They had Morinth listed but not Samara, saying that you cant romance Samara but you can romance Morinth o_O. I know it didn't make any sense to me either, but either way I got them to add Samara. So here it is Samaritans, have at it

https://docs.google...._source=message

ok thanks man, i answered the best i can but the last questions about the HTL members i could not answer because im on the HTL movement only for 2 weeks so i was not able to answer those...sry

[mpdx]

Didn't know there was a Samara thread, she is one of my favorite characters and an asari character done right, unlike that other asari who shall remain nameless. She has one of the most conflicted backstory out of everyone else and I do appreciate that although she will follow her code to the letter, she has her own opinions and is willing to share and even bend the rules if possible.

[gamaggedon]

mpdx wrote...

Didn't know there was a Samara thread, she is one of my favorite characters and an asari character done right, unlike that other asari who shall remain nameless. She has one of the most conflicted backstory out of everyone else and I do appreciate that although she will follow her code to the letter, she has her own opinions and is willing to share and even bend the rules if possible.

it felt as if she would not bend...sometimes it feels as if she is following the code too strict. totaly extrem in my eyes...

[Premier Bromanov]

gamaggedon wrote...

mpdx wrote...

Didn't know there was a Samara thread, she is one of my favorite characters and an asari character done right, unlike that other asari who shall remain nameless. She has one of the most conflicted backstory out of everyone else and I do appreciate that although she will follow her code to the letter, she has her own opinions and is willing to share and even bend the rules if possible.

it felt as if she would not bend...sometimes it feels as if she is following the code too strict. totaly extrem in my eyes...

If you listen closely, I think you'll see that she's willing to bend the Code a little.  I say this for one reason - if she isn't particularly fond of Shepard at the end of ME2, she says that she hopes she won't see him/her again.  As in, she won't actively pursue him/her.  If she were strictly observing the Code, she would go after him/her, no matter what.  I think she realizes the importance Shepard has to the galaxy.  Due to this, it sounds like she'd intentionally prioritize other matters over pursuing Shepard.  As we see in ME3, that turns out to be the case, because even if she isn't fond of Shepard, but she's still alive and loyal, she doesn't attack him/her.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 10 août 2012 - 02:40 .

[gamaggedon]

Premier Bromanov wrote...


If you listen closely, I think you'll see that she's willing to bend the Code a little.  I say this for one reason - if she isn't particularly fond of Shepard at the end of ME2, she says that she hopes she won't see him/her again.  As in, she won't actively pursue him/her.  If she were strictly observing the Code, she would go after him/her, no matter what.  I think she realizes the importance Shepard has to the galaxy.  Due to this, it sounds like she'd intentionally prioritize other matters over pursuing Shepard.  As we see in ME3, that turns out to be the case, because even if she isn't fond of Shepard, but she's still alive and loyal, she doesn't attack him/her.

to my defence i have not yet played ME 2 und 3 as renegade so i had no comparison..but i if you say so then why not...interesting...god she is awesome ^^

[Dragon_Claw]