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[Fraevar]

As much as I dislike people bringing up TW2 out of the blue, I have to say that there is a point to some of this. Mass Effect had a slightly corny, but otherwise tasteful love scene. The love scenes in Mass Effect 2 were not really anything to get excited about, mostly because they were censored to the point where they became redundant and the new PG-13 approach to them drew more attention to apparent self-censoring by BioWare.

I would prefer that if BioWare wants to do love scenes that they remember the basics: People get naked to make love, and women have breasts with nipples. I think BioWare are doing themselves a massive disservice by marketing the fact that they have love scenes as it attracts unwanted attention from radicals. Have them in the game, have them be contextual, tasteful and clearly labeled so nobody can click the triggering option without knowing what they're getting into.

If they did this, it would go a long way towards re-establishing their reputation as a studio that actually deals in content for adults, not just games that are M-Rated because of gore and/or skimpy outfits.

[Never]

I think the ME1 scenes were perfect. You had the nice convo leading up to it, and then a short, well done sexy time clip.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

There is only one un-avoidable sex scene in Witcher 2 and it's with your romantic interest in a beautifully done scene. Like with Witcher 1, if you want the immature, pointless sex, you have to go out and look for it.

While I don't like the idea of Mass Effect 3 going in the same route, the Witcher bashing is exaggerated. To add to that, it has a more mature setting than any Bioware game, pixelated sex notwithstanding.

I think though, that Mass Effect 1 handled the romantic scenes pretty well and I would like Bioware to use that as base for Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 16 juin 2011 - 07:32 .

[Maria Caliban]

The most mature moment in the Witcher 2 had nothing to do with sex or even, funnily enough, Geralt. It was the confrontation between Philippa Eilhart and the prince.

[True Zarken]

While I do believe there are somethings Bioware could from the Witcher 2 that they could definitely implement into DA2. But impleneting some of the ideas into Mass Effect 3 might be a big no, no. The Adult content in the Witcher 2 was just not good in my opinion.

I know there should be a romance scene that is true. But something as meaningful as Mass Effect 2 and as good as Mass Effect would do me just fine. As long as they show Tali's face I'm good.

[Massadonious1]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...
If they did this, it would go a long way towards re-establishing their reputation as a studio that actually deals in content for adults, not just games that are M-Rated because of gore and/or skimpy outfits.

Plenty of R rated movies get by and are respected just fine with just violence and/or cursing. "Mature" doesn't mean you have to push the boundaries of the rating.

[SilentK]

For me it's more important that the scene conveys emotions than being explicit naked. Stay classy bioware. After youtubing Witcher 2 I am realise how much more I like the bioware ones. DA2 had really good ones, I like the ones in ME2. ME was a little sad because it was only a nude female seen from the side, paint that one blue for Liara and it was Liara. As long as it isn't only the females who lose a few clothes then it's ok.

[Fraevar]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The most mature moment in the Witcher 2 had nothing to do with sex or even, funnily enough, Geralt. It was the confrontation between Philippa Eilhart and the prince.

I agree - that was one of the few moments where I went: "Ok, that would NEVER make it into an American-made game". It was an incredibly powerful moment, but it was in the proper context. And the way the devs played with Eilhart's state after it was quite good. Pardon the sidetrack.

[Rogue-Element]

Despite the fact that both game have a Mature 17+ rating it seems the Witcher 2 very specifically carters to an older audience. Mass Effect seems more mainsteam in that regard.

Nevertheless the game industry has grown a lot in regards to mature content in games. Remember all the fuss that the media made out of the modest "adult" scenes in ME1? Compare those to Dragon Age, and The Witcher and we've come a very long way in a short time.

[Sable Phoenix]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The most mature moment in the Witcher 2 had nothing to do with sex or even, funnily enough, Geralt. It was the confrontation between Philippa Eilhart and the prince.

I agree - that was one of the few moments where I went: "Ok, that would NEVER make it into an American-made game". It was an incredibly powerful moment, but it was in the proper context. And the way the devs played with Eilhart's state after it was quite good. Pardon the sidetrack.

Oh good lord, I'll be perfectly happy if BioWare never does anything like that in their games.  That turned my stomach.

Actually, there was a lot in Chapter 3 of The Witcher 2 that was difficult to watch.  There were too many of the magic-wielding women who end up brutalized or killed in gruesome ways.  The phrase "witch hunt" takes on a whole new meaning.  As amazing as the game was, I had to put it down after I finished it, and don't think I'll go back to it for a while, as much as I want to see all the other story branches.

The thing about The Witcher is that its world is extremely dark and dirty and medieval.  BioWare's universes, even Thedas, don't really approach that level; they're more idealized.  And frankly, I'm perfectly happy with that.  You can only take so much of the Witcher's world at a time.

However, going back to the main topic, the love scene in Mass Effect is light years beyond what we got in Mass Effect 2, or frankly, even Dragon Age Origins (and DA2's hardly even deserve a mention).  If we get the tasteful and mature level of treatment in Mass Effect 3 that we saw in the first Mass Effect, I'll be extremely happy.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 16 juin 2011 - 07:49 .

[Zarathiel]

John Newton wrote...

Not necessarily like the Witcher but just more realistic, the ME1 scenes were fine, I really don't know why bioware changed them, plus DA:O for all it's glory had the worst, so please just make them all like the ME1 scenes from now on.

Bioware changed them because nipples are bad, unless they're on men. If you like, or even just don't mind, seeing a woman's nipples, than you are a degenerate-amoral-godless-liberal-terrorist-communist who hates America, Jesus, Freedom, and families.

Modifié par Zarathiel, 16 juin 2011 - 08:06 .

[Remus Artega]

The Witcher is set in different time and seting...and is a fantasy game (the hate here is not necessary - it did the sex scenes very well)...wanting characters to behave in the same manner is nonsense...I think ME1 style scenes are appropriate for the scifi setting of ME since those in ME2 were like from PG-13 movie and gives a strange vibe about Bioware being scared of the FOX News reception or something...
The mature content is hidden somewhere else in Witcher...it's in the moraly grey choices and dialogue...

Modifié par Remus Artega, 16 juin 2011 - 07:56 .

[mellifera]

SilentK wrote...

For me it's more important that the scene conveys emotions than being explicit naked. Stay classy bioware. After youtubing Witcher 2 I am realise how much more I like the bioware ones. DA2 had really good ones, I like the ones in ME2. ME was a little sad because it was only a nude female seen from the side, paint that one blue for Liara and it was Liara. As long as it isn't only the females who lose a few clothes then it's ok.

That's why I liked the scene with Caterina Sforza and Ezio in Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. That scene in general was well done, and having the man be totally nude while the woman gets to keep some clothes on was interesting and different.

Modifié par yukidama, 16 juin 2011 - 08:09 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

ME1 was fine, the fuss about it was completely idiotic. TV has loads of nudity and no-one complains, so why is a bit of blue arse on a video game so bad?

[shepskisaac]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

ME1 was fine, the fuss about it was completely idiotic. TV has loads of nudity and no-one complains, so why is a bit of blue arse on a video game so bad?

Because video-games are still relatively new and unknown form of entertainment by a big part of mainstream public. Perfect scapegoat and subject to use for sensational headlines since people won't verify it as they would do with a movie.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 juin 2011 - 08:13 .

[Satsuma]

The Witcher 2 was about as well handled as Duke Nukem: Forever.


Hahahahahahahah boobs. Hey, that dwarf thinks he's hearing ghosts but it's actually sex LOLOLOLOL

Pathetic. Keep it away from Mass Effect 3, thank you.

Modifié par Satsuma, 16 juin 2011 - 08:15 .

[Srast]

classy sexy scenes are much sexier in my opinion than the more vulgar scenes like we find in The Witcher 2. Give me some actual emotion, not two puppets humping each other. I'm a mature adult, that's not what I want in my games. If it is, I can easily get some porn.

[mnomaha]

I'd have to agree with John and the others on this. Maybe not TW2 (def. not TW) scenes may be a little too much for the tweens playing ME3, but for the love of everything adult, quit with the fade-to-black crap. Yep, I'm an alien lover. At least the human lovers got a little more than I did in my game. Fade-to-black screams lazy to me!

[Maria Caliban]

I disagree strongly with the notion that sex needs to be 'classy' or else it's only fit for pornography.

Some of the sex in A Song of Ice and Fire, The Steel Remains, Best Served Cold, Kurshiel's Dart, and the Hundred Thousand Kingdoms is vulgar but I thought it was all well done. Even romance novels don't demand that sex be soft, gentle lovemaking under candlelight.

[Comsky159]

mineralica wrote...

The only point where I was furious about lack of partial nudity was Garrus'es scene. I was so interested to find out what turian chest looks like. But I think it's more a question of my obsession with biology than lust.

I always just thought that was because Bioware's developers  got to that scene and thought "Crap. What the hell does a turian torso look like?"

[Comsky159]

I like Bioware's class in these matters, roleplaying intercourse in Mass Effect should certainly not be of high priority.

Modifié par Comsky159, 16 juin 2011 - 08:46 .

[Zarathiel]

To be somewhat serious this post, fade-to-black and silly fully clothed sex needs to go. That said, if Bioware wants to avoid a big Fox News-patented muchado 'bout nuthin', they have a nice middle ground between ME1 and ME2. They can have people take off their clothes for sex and *GASP* NOT show nipples or blue rear ends!

It's called "suggested" or "implied" nudity. Through clever use of camera angles, blankets, and various other objects that can block the player's view, the characters are naked and having sex, but you can't see their naughty bits. TV and movies have been doing this for a long time, so there's no reason a video game can't give it a try. We get the pixelated sex we all so crave without having to endure over-censored fade-to-black or fully-clothed sex scenes, while Bioware avoids having to endure the outrage from people and "news" organizations that have nothing better to do with their time than complain about things that in no way affect them.

Modifié par Zarathiel, 16 juin 2011 - 08:43 .

[wright1978]

Have to say i thought the Triss scenes in the Witcher 2 were excellently done. They fitted the game well. Not sure the same style suits ME but I'd like to see Bioware make the ME3 relationships fun and a bit more mature. If that means camera angles used that expose less that's fine by me. I enjoyed the playful nature of the Miranda scene but it was too short and finised with a stupid immature cleavage reveal.