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[Parahexavoctal]

Well, for one it's not everyone in the game. It's not even all your companions. At most, it is all romanceable companions (and even here I don't think the DLC guy is BI?).

Also, I think the sexuality of some companions is actually dependent on your gender. Unlike Isabella who is bi regardless, I think Anders is actually purely straight for female protagonists. Sure he may be into guys in your next playthrough as a male character, but in neither playthrough is he bi. One might find it distracting that some companions conveniently have a sexual orientation interested in the gender of the protagonist, but I found it to be of little concern personally.

I firmly believe this is an improvement over earlier games where there were less romance options for either gender, and I hope they continue to develop in this direction. They could even go a step further and only have certain characters express a less common orientation if the player expresses interest, creating canon convergence even later than at character creation (so e.g. Anders would be straight even for male protagonists unless they've shown interest in male romance - with Anders or otherwise).

[GiggleLooper]

The reason I think making every NPC bi (using 'bi' as shorthand for every NPC falling at the feet of my PC) in the next DA game will have a negative impact, is that there will be no limitations. I know that sounds weird but limitations can make for an interesting and realistic world.

I do agree that these limitations should also be applied to other aspects of a PC (race/morality/class) when developing romances (it should be harder for a Templar NPC to fall in love with my Mage PC for example), however I appreciate that would take a long time and sophisticated plot design programming. So I think BW is right with mostly dealing sexuality, because regardless of race/age/location, the gaming population can relate to sexuality (You don't see posts about why elves or dwarfs are mis-represented for example).

By making all NPCs bi, the PC regardless of gender or orientation has the pick of the litter, I know very few people in the real world who are that lucky, so why does my PC? By limiting my choices for being a certain gender encourages me to replay the game as a different gender and seeing the world through their eyes.

An example I can use (though not gender related) is being a Mage in DA2, I've never played as a Mage in any fantasy game, however I'm willing to do this for the first time in DA2 just to see how the game plays having a brother instead of a sister. The same can be applied to see how a can develop relationships as a woman instead of a man, making all NPCs bi just gives me a similar game play experience regardless of my PCs gender.

[xkg]

This topic again. It never ends well.
You could just read previous exactly same threads instead of making a new one.

Does everyone really have to be bisexual?

I yearn for the day when Bioware could handle homosexuality and gender issues realisticly

[GiggleLooper]

The reason I think making every NPC bi (using 'bi' as shorthand for every NPC falling at the feet of my PC) in the next DA game will have a negative impact, is that there will be no limitations. I know that sounds weird but limitations can make for an interesting and realistic world.

I do agree that these limitations should also be applied to other aspects of a PC (race/morality/class) when developing romances (it should be harder for a Templar NPC to fall in love with my Mage PC for example), however I appreciate that would take a long time and sophisticated plot design programming. So I think BW is right with mostly dealing sexuality, because regardless of race/age/location, the gaming population can relate to sexuality (You don't see posts about why elves or dwarfs are mis-represented for example).

By making all NPCs bi, the PC regardless of gender or orientation has the pick of the litter, I know very few people in the real world who are that lucky, so why does my PC? By limiting my choices for being a certain gender encourages me to replay the game as a different gender and seeing the world through their eyes.

An example I can use (though not gender related) is being a Mage in DA2, I've never played as a Mage in any fantasy game, however I'm willing to do this for the first time in DA2 just to see how the game plays having a brother instead of a sister. The same can be applied to see how a can develop relationships as a woman instead of a man, making all NPCs bi just gives me a similar game play experience regardless of my PCs gender.

[alex90c]

I think while in DA:O it made sense (Zevran's promiscuity, Leliana being ... 'open-minded'), apart from Isabela I thought the bisexuality in DA2 was a bit pointless. I wouldn't care if there was a good reason for it, but for example I can't really think of a good reason why Merrill or Fenris would be bisexual.

[happy_daiz]

Your Hawke has no idea if an LI is bi or not (except Isabela), and apparently doesn't care. I think you're confusing what YOU know with what your Hawke knows. I don't see anything wrong with catering to fairness and diversity in a game.

Regardless, I agree with other posters; this has already been hashed and rehashed. No need for me to fan the flames.

[LeBurns]

woundedheart wrote...

They have the option of romancing any of the females, which is great if the player happens to dislike Leliana and doesn't want to romance her.

You mean all 2 of the 3 females?  Honestly since you really couldn't talk to your companions during missions anyway why not add some more NORMAL options that you just meet at the market or around town (when you are not fighting waves of baddies).  By NORMAL I don't necessarily mean straight, I mean not an extreme **** or virgin.

[Wulfram]

It's not particularly realistic, but it's annoying if you only have one LI available and there's a limited amount of resources available, so it's an efficient and sensible use of resources.

What does raise my hackles a bit is when people imply that it's quite all right and logical for promiscuous types like Isabela and Zevran to be bi, but not a nice girl like Merrill.  I see no reason why Merrill should not be bi - or indeed Isabela should not be straight.

[Feanor_II]

Too forced and too politically correct.

[Darth Executor]

Remove romances from future games. They were good in BG2. They are awful, awful drecks in the Dragon Ages.

[Darth Executor]

happy_daiz wrote...

I don't see anything wrong with catering to fairness and diversity in a game.

I've seen comments on this forum that run along the lines of "I'm gay and I can't enjoy a game unless I can have fake sex with pixelated characters of the same gender as me". I think such people are unambiguously mentally ill, and bioware is behaving in a grossly inappropriate and immoral manner by catering to them. If they are including a gay romance because they have a good plotline that it works with it would be one thing. But they don't. And this mercenary attitude doesn't extend just to same sex romances, but hetero ones too, because the opp sex romances are the exact same type of awful, pointless fan service. They feed the mental distrubances of already deranged (and probably very lonely) individuals for commercial gain when people like that should be getting professional help. It's pretty disturbing to watch.

[Bejos_]

Darth Executor wrote...

Remove romances from future games. They were good in BG2. They are awful, awful drecks in the Dragon Ages.

But then half of the Choices & Consequences would be gone, too, Darth.

DA is about which of the companions dies, and which of the companions shtump you.

They'd be all right if they weren't so centre stage.

Modifié par Bejos_, 16 juin 2011 - 05:32 .

[Pasquale1234]

 Was there something so wrong with this current, active thread:

http://social.biowar...5/index/7634350

.... that you needed to open yet another one?

[Harid]

woundedheart wrote...

xkg wrote...


This topic again. It never ends well.
You could just read previous exactly same threads instead of making a new one.

Does everyone really have to be bisexual?

I yearn for the day when Bioware could handle homosexuality and gender issues realisticly

I've never seen this topic on the boards before, but thank you for informing me. I don't exactly lurk or spend a lot of time here, and I'm sure you can agree that searching through a million topics to ensure a similar one doesn't exist is tiresome and tedious.

Also, I disagree that if anyone wants to discuss something, they should just re-read locked threads that have already discussed it. Those locked threads will never be updated, never have new ideas, never have new member input, etc. Not to mention, you can't participate in those conversations.

Hopefully this topic can be discussed maturely, though, without being locked like the others you posted.

It won't be.  A few immature posters will come in and side track the thread talking about how there are no children or female dwarves or how romances don't take your specailizations into play, despite the fact that you never brought any of these up, then the thread will get side tracked, and then a mod will lock the thread without banning any of the trolls that side tracked the topic.

It happens every single time, and I will be back to quote myself when this thread gets inevitably locked.

Quite frankly at this point, I'd love to see them get removed, as so far as I've already seen what heppens when a biz caters to their crazy fans with anime, and I know where that path will end up with Bioware if they keep encouraging these people.

Modifié par Harid, 16 juin 2011 - 05:44 .

[Feanor_II]

Darth Executor wrote...

Remove romances from future games. They were good in BG2. They are awful, awful drecks in the Dragon Ages.

I consider romances and interesting feature that gives more "color" to the games but......... I think that they've gone out of control and people is giving too much importance to them.

[Darth Executor]

Feanor_II wrote...

Darth Executor wrote...

Remove romances from future games. They were good in BG2. They are awful, awful drecks in the Dragon Ages.

I consider romances and interesting feature that gives more "color" to the games but......... I think that they've gone out of control and people is giving too much importance to them.

I don't even consider them romances.

[clipped_wolf]

Making EVERYONE bisexual seems wishy-washy. Ander's past changes based on your gender if your character is interested in him? Lame.

(Unwanted) romances shoveled down your throat? *sigh*

[xkg]

clipped_wolf wrote...

Making EVERYONE bisexual seems wishy-washy. Ander's past changes based on your gender if your character is interested in him? Lame.

(Unwanted) romances shoveled down your throat? *sigh*

LMAO, those romance options aren't forced on you - read "you dont have to follow them if you don't like" so i have no idea what do you mean by "unwanted" and "shoveled down your throat".

Maybe you are just afraid that you may like "IT" if you try who knows , hehehe

[Wulfram]

clipped_wolf wrote...

Making EVERYONE bisexual seems wishy-washy. Ander's past changes based on your gender if your character is interested in him? Lame.

Anders past doesn't change.  Only his desire to talk about his love affair with a man.

(Unwanted) romances shoveled down your throat? *sigh*

There is one poorly done dialogue with Anders that doesn't always appear - the chief problem being that the "no" option is rather impolite - and some flirt options you can easily ignore.  That's hardly shoveling a romance down your throat.

[kaiki01]

I always interpreted as the sexuality of the companions CHANGES based on the PC(except in cases where it is explicitly stated such as in backstory....Isabela). I think that Merrill, for example, does not have a objective sexuality that can be independent from the choice of sex the PC makes for Hawke.

[Harid]

xkg wrote...

clipped_wolf wrote...

Making EVERYONE bisexual seems wishy-washy. Ander's past changes based on your gender if your character is interested in him? Lame.

(Unwanted) romances shoveled down your throat? *sigh*

LMAO, those romance options aren't forced on you - read "you dont have to follow them if you don't like" so i have no idea what do you mean by "unwanted" and "shoveled down your throat".

Maybe you are just afraid that you may like "IT" if you try who knows , hehehe

Homosexuals really need to stop trying to 'curse' people with their homosexuality, it demeans your entire cause.

I wouldn't state that a Grand Wizard of the KKK's deep seeded issue is that he wants a taste of "the swirl" because I don't care whether he does or not, he'd still lynch my black ass if he ever caught me.  The issue is not a laughing matter nor is that the solution to change his mind.

Pretty much, the point is if he's in the closet, you shouldn't be making fun of him, and if he isn't you are pretty much intensifying his hatred.  You do not create inroads with this line of reasoning.

Modifié par Harid, 16 juin 2011 - 06:48 .