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[Lastardian]

Feanor_II wrote...

Darth Executor wrote...

Remove romances from future games. They were good in BG2. They are awful, awful drecks in the Dragon Ages.

I consider romances and interesting feature that gives more "color" to the games but......... I think that they've gone out of control and people is giving too much importance to them.

I agree with you.

[bEVEsthda]

I'm for it. I disliked DA2 for many things, but that wasn't one of them. As has been said, it leaves more options.
I don't know if there is something wrong with me, but I'm very picky for romances, in game.
If Merril hadn't been 'available', I wouldn't have had any romance in DA2, since i didn't fancy any of the men (except Varric who wasn't available), Isobel is impossible and I wanted to leave Aveline to her friend.
That's what happens to me a lot, in Bioware games, I get left out.

Only thing I have to say is that they should perhaps be less in-your-face? Let the player make at least two advances before they throw themselves at you.

[xkg]

Harid wrote...

Homosexuals really need to stop trying to 'curse' people with their homosexuality, it demeans your entire cause.

Nah, you have misinterpreted my post. I'am straigth so it is not "my cause".
I'am just more open minded and I'am always against discrimanation of others because of their sexual orientation.

[Harid]

xkg wrote...

Harid wrote...

Homosexuals really need to stop trying to 'curse' people with their homosexuality, it demeans your entire cause.

Nah, you have misinterpreted my post. I'am straigth so it is not "my cause".
I'am just more open minded and I'am always against discrimanation of others because of their sexual orientation.

My apologies, then, but to blanket people who are against this type of storytelling as discriminators isn't really helping either.

[Darth Executor]

xkg wrote...

Nah, you have misinterpreted my post. I'am straigth so it is not "my cause".

You can belong to a cause even if it does not affect you directly.

[Tirfan]

the romances..I did not exactly mind some characters being actually PC-sexual, perhaps it would bother me more had I done a another playtrough with different gender, but as an idea it doesn't feel actually very natural, don't know about it, it just doesn't make that much of a difference to me - I can't play male homosexual characters anymore, I played a gay character once in a PnP and he was one of the characters I loved the most, and trying to play a gay character after him has just felt.. wrong.

The romances do add some flavour to the characters certainly so I don't want them completely gone, but, in DA:O some of them felt rather glued on, some were good and some just felt wrong, but that is probably just me, the same thing goes to DA2, I ended up romancing Merril just because I kind of thought that I had to romance someone, and jeez did that feel just not right. Especially the post-coital discussion with Merril, it was just so unnatural, if you can't do them right, I can live without romances, I just want them to feel right, I want them to add something to the character I'm playing, if this means that the LI has to be PC-sexual for me to have that romance with the character I'm playing, so be it.

I guess I have lost any point I may have had and veered off so far into the offtopic zone I can hardly believe it.

[Harid]

woundedheart wrote...

xkg wrote...

It won't be.  A few immature posters will come in and side track the thread talking about how there are no children or female dwarves or how romances don't take your specailizations into play, despite the fact that you never brought any of these up, then the thread will get side tracked, and then a mod will lock the thread without banning any of the trolls that side tracked the topic.

It happens every single time, and I will be back to quote myself when this thread gets inevitably locked.

Quite frankly at this point, I'd love to see them get removed, as so far as I've already seen what heppens when a biz caters to their crazy fans with anime, and I know where that path will end up with Bioware if they keep encouraging these people.

It's not fair that entire topics need to be closed just because a few people decided to be immature. Their posts should be deleted and they should be guided away from the topic if the mods don't like the direction they're taking the thread.

I just want to discuss this civilly and maturely. Back on topic, though...

The mods don't ever do that.  Ever.

Also, you quoted the wrong guy.

[Darth Executor]

woundedheart wrote...

Guys, can we not bring discrimination/homophobia into this? I really don't want this topic to be about whether or not you agree with homosexuality/bisexuality,

It would be nice if every discussion on this topic didn't descend into people who want gay/bisexual romances labeling everyone who didn't a bigoted homophobe.

Modifié par Darth Executor, 16 juin 2011 - 07:37 .

[Bejos_]

Darth Executor wrote...

woundedheart wrote...

Guys, can we not bring discrimination/homophobia into this? I really don't want this topic to be about whether or not you agree with homosexuality/bisexuality,

It would be nice if every discussion on this topic didn't descend into people who want gay/bisexual romances labeling everyone who didn't a bigoted homophobe.

Describing people as trying to 'curse' others with their homosexuality is quite telling, though, Darth.

Really, this topic is pointless. There are 3000 other things the developers should focus on before they tackle the relationships in the game.

But never mind that. Let's improve the sex animations.

[Harid]

Bejos_ wrote...

Darth Executor wrote...

woundedheart wrote...

Guys, can we not bring discrimination/homophobia into this? I really don't want this topic to be about whether or not you agree with homosexuality/bisexuality,

It would be nice if every discussion on this topic didn't descend into people who want gay/bisexual romances labeling everyone who didn't a bigoted homophobe.

Describing people as trying to 'curse' others with their homosexuality is quite telling, though, Darth.

Really, this topic is pointless. There are 3000 other things the developers should focus on before they tackle the relationships in the game.

But never mind that. Let's improve the sex animations.

If your response when some one says that they don't like getting hit on by men is that they are probably in the closet doesn't come across as a chiding hex to you, well, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't consider homosexuality to be a curse, but I do feel that people who try to insist that everyone homophobic is gay is the equivalant of trying to 'curse' them, so that they are consciously, the same thing they are condemning.

Of course, I explained this when I stated it, so it's quite telling you are reaching.

Read my post history if you think I'm a snarling homophobe, though.

Modifié par Harid, 16 juin 2011 - 09:08 .

[Bejos_]

Harid wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

Describing people as trying to 'curse' others with their homosexuality is quite telling, though, Darth.

Really, this topic is pointless. There are 3000 other things the developers should focus on before they tackle the relationships in the game.

But never mind that. Let's improve the sex animations.

If your response when some one says that they don't like getting hit on by men is that they are probably in the closet doesn't come across as a chiding hex to you, well, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't consider homosexuality to be a curse, but I do feel that people who try to insist that everyone homophobic is gay is the equivalant of trying to 'curse' them, so that they are consciously, the same thing they are condemning.

Of course, I explained this when I stated it, so it's quite telling you are reaching.

Read my post history if you think I'm a snarling homophobe, though.

What?

Ah, okay, okay, I went back and read the original. That'll teach me to absentmindedely post replies to replies. I prostrate myself at your feet and beg for forgiveness.

More seriously, sorry about that. Apology accepted?

The whole "Well, there must be something you're hiding!" tack is getting old. It's a particularly underhanded way of undermining someone's arguments/dislikes, whatever those may be, because you're ultimately reinforcing the status quo-- e.g. it's bad to be gay, so I'm intimating you're gay because you're so outspoken against us, even though I myself happen to be gay and/or a supporter of gay people. You can't build a solid debate on a shaky firmament. But anyway ...

(The above was not a political paragraph. I'm just pointing out a common inconsistency in the arguments/tactics that are commonly used by many people.)

I'll restate it again, to get this post back OT: There are many other things the DA team should be focusing on. The bisexuality or lack thereof of the companions is the least of the problems (if, indeed, you can consider it a problem).

Modifié par Bejos_, 16 juin 2011 - 09:52 .

[Pasquale1234]

woundedheart wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

 Was there something so wrong with this current, active thread:

http://social.biowar...5/index/7634350

.... that you needed to open yet another one?

Was there something so wrong with the comment above yours stating the same exact thing that you needed to post yet another one?

That thread is in an entirely different forum and is restricted to game owners only. Not everyone is a registered game owner and not everyone visits that forum.

The thread I referenced is current, open, and thriving (at least it was when I posted).  The others were older and closed.

I didn't intend to insult or offend you, but I do feel that this topic has been discussed extensively and was aware of another current thread discussing it, so I wanted to point it out.

[Akka le Vil]

Wulfram wrote...

It's not particularly realistic, but it's annoying if you only have one LI available and there's a limited amount of resources available, so it's an efficient and sensible use of resources.

Good stories and character come from good writing, not from "efficient use of ressources".
If artistic quality has any relationship at all with money, it's closer to antagonism than correlation.

[Akka le Vil]

Feanor_II wrote...

Darth Executor wrote...

Remove romances from future games. They were good in BG2. They are awful, awful drecks in the Dragon Ages.

I consider romances and interesting feature that gives more "color" to the games but......... I think that they've gone out of control and people is giving too much importance to them.

Developping relations with your companions is a very good thing in RPG. It's one of the most important pilar of the game, even.
But what I agree is that "romances" have become stale, most probably because they are just so formulaic.
You HAVE to have romance, and they HAVE to please everyone, so you HAVE to have the token X and Y.
And the "everyone's bisexual" is just the last straw on the camel in this direction : "you have to have them ALL !!!!".

I liked romances a lot in the first games, because it was original, and surprising, because it was a companion perk that felt more in tune with the whole game.

But now if feels more and more gimmicky and, again, formulaic, and losing their appeal by just following the usual trend of being watered down to please everyone.

[Harid]

Bejos_ wrote...

Harid wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

Describing people as trying to 'curse' others with their homosexuality is quite telling, though, Darth.

Really, this topic is pointless. There are 3000 other things the developers should focus on before they tackle the relationships in the game.

But never mind that. Let's improve the sex animations.

If your response when some one says that they don't like getting hit on by men is that they are probably in the closet doesn't come across as a chiding hex to you, well, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't consider homosexuality to be a curse, but I do feel that people who try to insist that everyone homophobic is gay is the equivalant of trying to 'curse' them, so that they are consciously, the same thing they are condemning.

Of course, I explained this when I stated it, so it's quite telling you are reaching.

Read my post history if you think I'm a snarling homophobe, though.

What?

Ah, okay, okay, I went back and read the original. That'll teach me to absentmindedely post replies to replies. I prostrate myself at your feet and beg for forgiveness.

More seriously, sorry about that. Apology accepted?

The whole "Well, there must be something you're hiding!" tack is getting old. It's a particularly underhanded way of undermining someone's arguments/dislikes, whatever those may be, because you're ultimately reinforcing the status quo-- e.g. it's bad to be gay, so I'm intimating you're gay because you're so outspoken against us, even though I myself happen to be gay and/or a supporter of gay people. You can't build a solid debate on a shaky firmament. But anyway ...

(The above was not a political paragraph. I'm just pointing out a common inconsistency in the arguments/tactics that are commonly used by many people.)

I'll restate it again, to get this post back OT: There are many other things the DA team should be focusing on. The bisexuality or lack thereof of the companions is the least of the problems (if, indeed, you can consider it a problem).

Apology accepted, and while I agree (that Bioware has more important things to focus on), that is not what this thread is about.

[ReallyRue]

I liked it. Everyone gets to romance who they want to romance (well, unless you want to romance Aveline/Varric/Sebastian-as-a-man) and there's more variety in available LIs. It was even implemented well, I think. And as the LI characters didn't mention past relationships (apart from Izzy, of course), they can be played as straight/gay/bi in different playthroughs.

[Monica83]

The effect of so many bi in DA2 for me was like a letdown.. Its less credible and for me is a forced feature that ruin the context.. Its ok like DAO where sexual orientation are part of character and not simply: hey we make most of the romanceable companions BI so everyone is happy...

For me this ruins the story credibility..
When the gameplay have the priority over the plot well.. for mi is always poor narrative

And don't tell me i hate bi or im homofobic because i'm bi too

[Bejos_]

Monica83 wrote...

The effect of so many bi in DA2 for me was like a letdown.. Its less credible and for me is a forced feature that ruin the context.. Its ok like DAO where sexual orientation are part of character and not simply: hey we make most of the romanceable companions BI so everyone is happy...

For me this ruins the story credibility..
When the gameplay have the priority over the plot well.. for mi is always poor narrative

And don't tell me i hate bi or im homofobic because i'm bi too

I like that everyone's bi. I kind of liked the characters Aveline, Isabella and Fenris. I romanced all of them (except you know who, because that one's hung up on you know who) because it let me see them in a different light. I've only played the game once but from what I can tell you got quite bit more background info on the characters if you attempted to romance them.

Modifié par Bejos_, 16 juin 2011 - 10:58 .

[phoenixgoddess27]

It didn't bother me all that much, but I wish they weren't all bi. While we can't change this in DA2, I hope they don't make everyone bisexual in DA3. I don't like feeling like a piece of meat that all romanceable characters want to tap.

I accidentally flirted with Merrill after a certain event and I didn't know until two hours later when I went home and saw her there. So, I saved and reloaded a save file three hours before that, picked all of the options at that particular scene and saw that I accidentally chose the heart icon cause of that sodding dialogue wheel. (I play the PS3 version, so it's easy to accidentally choose something else.) Had to redo it all over again. Merrill didn't really seem bi-sexual to me personally(No need to attack me, this is just my opinion, not a fact). To me, she seemed like she would be better with a male, rather than a female.

Another thing, after what happened with Fenris and his massive hate for a certain someone, I would think he'd be cautious of guys simply because he made it sound like that someone did more than just... show him off/have him guard him. Anders... just didn't scream, "I like guys, too." But I haven't went after him,(Despite the game ALMOST forcing you to with all the heart icons, the only real "I'm not interested" being impolite) so don't take my word for it.

I just hope things won't be like this in DA3. I don't mind if we have bisexuals in the game, but having them all bisexual doesn't really feel... realistic or original. (No, I have nothing against bisexuals, I'm pansexual) I do hope they also don't have the love interests trying to jump me after only talking to them personally two or three times, the third time being three years later. I could understand if they gave more dialogue with the characters, but that's a whole 'nother story.

Again, this is just my opinion.

Modifié par phoenixgoddess27, 16 juin 2011 - 11:21 .

[Guns]