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[True Zarken]

Icinix wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Wishful thinking =P

Besides *SPOILERS*
There are already Rachni Husks so you have already increased enemy numbers by sparing her =D

160 Bioware points on killing her will still result in Shepard having to fight Rachni husk.

I'll throw another 160 into that pool that you are correct.

I want to get on in this. 400 here.

[Smeelia]

Even if the Queen ends up working against you (indoctrinated or not) I don't think that would change the decision for any of my Shepards or make any of them regret it.  Sparing her gives her a chance at life while killing her guarantees she wont be a problem, the actual outcome doesn't change that.  Since the outcome can't be reliably predicted, the decision would remain the same and just because things didn't work out the way you hoped doesn't mean you should regret taking the chance.

That's my view on it anyway.

XxDeonxX wrote...

Yes the screaming of a giant bug is just to much, truely evil.. even if sparing her results in the screaming of many thousands of humans dying while already dealing with a reaper threat =P

To be fair killing the Rachni Queen definately kills her, while letting her go only has a chance of causing trouble later so it's not really an even comparison.

[Bolboreta]

I think it's going to be balanced. She can be an ally, but then also there will be rachni husks. The renegade choice doesn't have her as an ally, but doesn't have rachni husk either.

[Icinix]

oohh...

You know what I'd love to see.

If you killed her AND wiped out the Rachni on all the moons in the extra missions outside of normal gameplay - THERE ARE NO RACHNI.

If you killed her and didn't get rid of the Rachni, all rachni are hostile.

etc etc.

[Kusy]

My face when people think that there will be no rachni husks if they destroyed the queen.

[LordNige]

Bolboreta wrote...

I think it's going to be balanced. She can be an ally, but then also there will be rachni husks. The renegade choice doesn't have her as an ally, but doesn't have rachni husk either.

IIRC there was a separate Rachni project being carried out by Cerberus meaning that even if the queen was dead there would still be Rachni. That being said the Rachni left would be mindless monsters much like the ones you fight on Noveria since they were removed from the Queen before imprinting (they can't hear her song). So the viability of indoctrinated Rachni still exists Queen or no Queen.

[jamesp81]

XxDeonxX wrote...

esollus wrote...

I think I will do a mission and pass a paragon speech check then have a rachni armada at my disposal.

Wishful thinking =P

Besides *SPOILERS*
There are already Rachni Husks so you have already increased enemy numbers by sparing her =D

Good.  I was beginning to think this was going to be too easy.

[Siven80]

Honestly if the imported decisions from ME1 to ME2 are any indication, the only thing happening with the Rachni choice will be about 1 mission or dialogue choice

[Dannyboy9876]

Rachni will help me, you'll see.

[aftohsix]

I like to think my Shepard behaves much like many people on this board.  Even if a Rachni starts to eat his leg off he'll still be sticking to his guns saying he made the right choice.

Modifié par aftohsix, 16 juin 2011 - 01:46 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Captain Crash wrote...

At the end of the day you make the decision based on your own informed opinion.   Oddly I found that murdering a creature in an unethical and inhumane manner got to me more then any other aspect.    I guess killing a creature instantly isnt good for gameplay though

Inhumane?
As opposed as to set on fire, freeze, rip apart, crush or any other interesting ways in which Sheppard kills peoeple?

I for one detest AI and as such have handed over Legion to Cerberus. Never trust an AI.
I also dislike the whol Rachni concept - as having starships at all. With what are they building them? Those claws??? Hence, I saw tham as a useless ally in a fight against hte Reaprs and a threat to everyone else.
I also gave Cerberus the installation.

Interested to see how it all pans out

[Augustei]

LordNige wrote...

Bolboreta wrote...

I think it's going to be balanced. She can be an ally, but then also there will be rachni husks. The renegade choice doesn't have her as an ally, but doesn't have rachni husk either.

IIRC there was a separate Rachni project being carried out by Cerberus meaning that even if the queen was dead there would still be Rachni. That being said the Rachni left would be mindless monsters much like the ones you fight on Noveria since they were removed from the Queen before imprinting (they can't hear her song). So the viability of indoctrinated Rachni still exists Queen or no Queen.

Hopefully without a queen all of cerberus's rachni go nuts and simply kill all the cerberus operatives at their cells bases. since
*SPOILER*
They are an enemy in ME3 trying to kill shepard and all

Also regarding Rachni indoctrination its also possible that due to them being a hive mind race that the reapers only need to get their hands on one rachni to indoctrinate the queen since she communites with them long distance through hive mind maybe its a two way street.

Also have you ever heard of a hive mind race in sci fi that isn't evil or nuts? Im trying to think of one but cant seem to. The Zerg, the borg, the flood, the tyranids the xenomorphs. They are all nuts and evil!

[Zabaniya]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LordNige wrote...

Bolboreta wrote...

I think it's going to be balanced. She can be an ally, but then also there will be rachni husks. The renegade choice doesn't have her as an ally, but doesn't have rachni husk either.

IIRC there was a separate Rachni project being carried out by Cerberus meaning that even if the queen was dead there would still be Rachni. That being said the Rachni left would be mindless monsters much like the ones you fight on Noveria since they were removed from the Queen before imprinting (they can't hear her song). So the viability of indoctrinated Rachni still exists Queen or no Queen.

Hopefully without a queen all of cerberus's rachni go nuts and simply kill all the cerberus operatives at their cells bases. since
*SPOILER*
They are an enemy in ME3 trying to kill shepard and all

Also regarding Rachni indoctrination its also possible that due to them being a hive mind race that the reapers only need to get their hands on one rachni to indoctrinate the queen since she communites with them long distance through hive mind maybe its a two way street.

Also have you ever heard of a hive mind race in sci fi that isn't evil or nuts? Im trying to think of one but cant seem to. The Zerg, the borg, the flood, the tyranids the xenomorphs. They are all nuts and evil!

Except at the end of SC2 (oh god, it screams WoW ripoff), the Zerg are all of a sudden the key to saving the galaxy.  :/

Anyways, I digress.  I figured the Rachni would show up, regardless of decision.

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Wishful thinking =P

Besides *SPOILERS*
There are already Rachni Husks so you have already increased enemy numbers by sparing her =D

160 Bioware points on killing her will still result in Shepard having to fight Rachni husk.

We're also fighting Geth regardless of what we did or didn't do with Legion's loyalty,

There is a twitter where they state that the Geth will listen to Shepard (depending on what choices you did). You can find it on Phaedon's ME3 spoiler blog.

That doesn't mean we won't fight them anymore than talking to TIM means we won't fight Cerberus.

[The Twilight God]

Icinix wrote...

oohh...

You know what I'd love to see.

If you killed her AND wiped out the Rachni on all the moons in the extra missions outside of normal gameplay - THERE ARE NO RACHNI.

If you killed her and didn't get rid of the Rachni, all rachni are hostile.

etc etc.

The rachni were dispersing themselves to systems all across that cluster after they took over the Cerberus research station. Those two planets were not the only ones they were on; merely the ones Shepard visited. And only becuase he got a distress call and/or they had Alliance listening posts.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I also dislike the whol Rachni concept - as having starships at all. With what are they building them? Those claws???

They have appendages similar to turians hands.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 16 juin 2011 - 02:42 .

[Clonedzero]

Icinix wrote...

oohh...

You know what I'd love to see.

If you killed her AND wiped out the Rachni on all the moons in the extra missions outside of normal gameplay - THERE ARE NO RACHNI.

If you killed her and didn't get rid of the Rachni, all rachni are hostile.

etc etc.

well good news is that those rachni sidequests in ME1 were some of the most fun ones in the game.

that one where theres the alliance outpost that is getting starship trooper'd and you gotta sit there and defend the outpost against waves. best planatary sidequest in the game imo.

but yeah, for the most part, i agree with the thread. the rachni queen is the perfect example of a paragon choice that can bite you in the ass. cus there should be at least one in the series and not a little side thing.

though, to keep things even content-wise. lets say if you spared the rachni queen they all get indotrinated and you gotta fight them. but if you killed the queen then maybe instead of finding the new rachni world, the reapers find the yahg world and decide to use them as shock troopers instead?

[WizenSlinky0]

Indoctrination is not passed through another being to a new one. It is passed from direct contact with a reaper. If the Rachni were indeed peaceful before being indoctrinated by a reaper, it's likely a queen fell into a trap of sorts, and came into contact with a reaper.

However, normally the queens remain hidden on their home planets/underground where they are unlikely to come in contact with other people.

So I just don't see it biting paragons all that much. Especially after the scene in ME2 they've given all the signs that the rachni do indeed simply want to help and truly appreciate their second chance at life.

I've yet to see any renegade decision punish renegades with anything except missing "a little side thing", so why exactly should paragons have this huge massive punishment over a choice they made two games ago?

I dunno, just don't see it happening. They've already said they don't plan to punish players too badly for their prior choices whether renegade or paragon. "The game will be different, not worse" is basically what we've been told.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 16 juin 2011 - 03:04 .

[mulder1199]

it'll be fun to see the differences based on your different sheps....

[Captain Crash]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

At the end of the day you make the decision based on your own informed opinion.   Oddly I found that murdering a creature in an unethical and inhumane manner got to me more then any other aspect.    I guess killing a creature instantly isnt good for gameplay though

Inhumane?
As opposed as to set on fire, freeze, rip apart, crush or any other interesting ways in which Sheppard kills peoeple?

In that context your under attack and are fighting fire with fire.  The enemy you fight is just as aggressive and uses similar tactics, they can kill you and vice versa.  Here your faced with a caged sentient creature which cant defend itself against what your about to do to it.  It pleads for its existance and you converse in dialogue.  That doesnt happen with other gameplay enemies.  


But thats not what got to me, its the method of the death.  Even in todays society there are laws in place for ethical death of animals in farming/research ect.   Im not a tree hugging hippie, but dumping acid on it and hearing the Queen scream to its death over several seconds was awfull to me.  Thus why I consider it an inhumane act.  But as I said its about gameplay and Bioware did this right.  They clearly caused a reaction over the renegade option and made us feel the weight of that decision.  Like I said earlier its context of the situation and the gameplay mechanics at hand.   I suppose thats unique to the individual.  Additionally its works well with the lore that Novaria is outside Galactic Law and get away with it.  

Modifié par Captain Crash, 16 juin 2011 - 03:41 .

[Kakistos_]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Just sayin', The Rachni choice in number 1 is a great oppotunity to shut up the renegades about how well treated the paragons are lol. I mean sure they probably were indoctronated against their will and completely innocent in the rachni wars.

But its the simple fact that they are a hive mind race that will bite the *** of those who spared the queen. I mean it only takes the queen to get indoctrinated to have the whole race turn against you. If the reapers have indoctrinated them before then they will know this and already could have planned for it. They have experience indoctrinating queens and so could easily do so again, unless the queen is a liar and their race really is agressive and hostile. So the choice is bad either way =P

Just my two cents anyway. What you guys think?

I think that sparing the Rachni Queen was the right choice. The Rachni may indeed be aggressive and try to take over the galaxy but I doubt it. Regardless, for the time being the Rachni will be united with the rest of the galaxy against the Reapers, a far greater threat. Was it then not a wise decision to spare the Rachni and have one of the most powerful races in the galaxy, even temporarily, as allies against the Reapers? I also do not believe the Rachni will be Indoctinated again. It may be subtle but it takes a while and the Rachni of all races should know what to look for due to the Queens ability to access memories from her ancestors. And even if she is captured, who is to say that she hasn't birthed more Queens.

[mulder1199]

i've assumed that finding a cure to genophage and sparing the queen would be a way to have two huge armies for you to recruit, however, IMO both paragon and renagades should be rewarded AND punished for the choice....(it's gallactic war, there's consequences for your choices)....paragon spares the queen and wrex (cure genophage) so they krogan and rachnii are there to recruit BUT that means the faction of krogan that don't support wrex may fight with cerberus and there will be indocrinated rachnii....
renegade has support of new krogan leader, but they may not fight (as the krogan don't want to be a tool of the council again) and there's no rachnii to worry about (as they are a formidable opponent) but they also aren't available to fight for your cause....

[DarthRevan4life]

I don't necessarily think that by saving the Rachni the Reapers will somehow indoctrinate them. I think the bigger issue here is, whether or not the Krogan will ally themselves with you due to the fact they had fought a war against the Rachni. I don't view the Krogans as a species to forget battles as they seem like a "warrior" race and allying yourself with an enemy of theres will bring up potential problems in recruiting them towards Earth's cause.

[eye basher]

Sometimes you have to risk the darkness in order to see the light.Sure there's a chance the rachni might come back someday to bite me in the ass but who's to say the geth won't do the same or the krogan or the quarians for that matter.