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[BloodyTalon]

I think given the queen is hiding we will be glad we saved her on some breakthroughs.

Itts another ally to dela with the reapers.

[AC5]

marshalleck wrote...

It's a fair argument, and it cuts both ways for the renegade too. RenShep could save the hostages and the colonists by simply putting a bullet in Balak's head before he whips out his trusty detonator. But no, he decides to uncharacteristically stop shooting to chat it out with the bad guy...

That said, I have a feeling no matter what scenario Bioware employs in the future, some enterprising member of the community will say "but why couldn't I have avoided all this by doing such and such..." Eventually we just have to accept that they are created and framed for dramatic flare.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't try to avoid obviously hamfisting the drama.

Yes I thought about shooting him toon but It seemed an unecessary risk but, then shepard often acts poorly in cut scenes and dialoques as in the Eclipse girl in Samara's mission one would think Shepard would have shot her as soon as she went for her weapon. Although I do remember Shepard immediately shooting the krogan mercs before Garrus' loyalty mission without pulling a oneliner. Anyway as you said drama is great I just don't want it to leave me questioning Shepard's compatance.

Ok on topic what I don't like about the Rachni decision is that the only thing that makes it paragon is how easily it can be defended by a paragon or renegade mind set. I do hope that bioware will choose to give both sides benefits and consequences. The problem with the abiquity of these desicions can be found in several places such as the Collector base since even for the most anti-Cerberus Shepards there is nothing to stop Shepard from organizing a force to take the base along with some of Cerberus' more prominent scientist and, potentially with Alliance/Council support if she is smart enough not to mention the word reaper this time. Obviously this would require some impressive argument to get the Council to trust you and, would have worked better if the Alliance had treated you more like a double agent in ME2. Anyway what all this means I would like bioware to think more on the possibilities of their decisions and really make Shepard into the tactical and strategic genius that is presented.

[Aedan_Cousland]

It is already confirmed that players that saved the Rachni get them as allies, so paragons won't be regretting much. The downside is that they'll also have to face Rachni husks, but chances are it won't be that big of a deal. They'll probably die just as easily as other non-boss level enemies.

[Gamer790]

As I have said before we shouldn't treat any of our speculations as fact until they are either confirmed by the developers or until the game comes out and we see for ourselves.

[SafetyShattered]

If it turns out to be a choice that seriously screws everything up in ME3 then I'll buy ME again and play through both ME and ME2 again. I spared that stupid thing because I thought it would help me later. Please someone tell me it was a good thing...I don't want to play through both games now. Too many other games to play.

[STG]

I make decisions based on my morals and/or logic, not imaginary alignment (para/rene) or meta gaming. If letting the queen live results in rachni joining the reapers I won't mind because I still made the "right" decision.

Besides, sometimes doing the right thing simply doesn't work out no matter how much you try.

[knightnblu]

That is something that I have been concerned about for a while now. However, I let the Rachni queen go because I believed that it was the right thing to do. If that comes back to bite me in the backside, then I will just have to live with it. I do what I believe to be right and I won't change that to hedge my bets.

So if the Rachni prove hostile, I will just have to deal with it.

[Skirata129]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LordNige wrote...

Bolboreta wrote...

I think it's going to be balanced. She can be an ally, but then also there will be rachni husks. The renegade choice doesn't have her as an ally, but doesn't have rachni husk either.

IIRC there was a separate Rachni project being carried out by Cerberus meaning that even if the queen was dead there would still be Rachni. That being said the Rachni left would be mindless monsters much like the ones you fight on Noveria since they were removed from the Queen before imprinting (they can't hear her song). So the viability of indoctrinated Rachni still exists Queen or no Queen.

Hopefully without a queen all of cerberus's rachni go nuts and simply kill all the cerberus operatives at their cells bases. since
*SPOILER*
They are an enemy in ME3 trying to kill shepard and all

Also regarding Rachni indoctrination its also possible that due to them being a hive mind race that the reapers only need to get their hands on one rachni to indoctrinate the queen since she communites with them long distance through hive mind maybe its a two way street.

Also have you ever heard of a hive mind race in sci fi that isn't evil or nuts? Im trying to think of one but cant seem to. The Zerg, the borg, the flood, the tyranids the xenomorphs. They are all nuts and evil!

the rachni seem to be an analogy for the buggers in the ender's game series. they weren't evil. merely misunderstood.

[Rolling Flame]

It could go either way really. If the Queen stays well hidden, then hopefully Shepard will have some extra ships to deal with the Reaper fleet(s), and some very powerful ground troops. If she becomes indoctrinated, then the situation will be FUBAR.

[Ja5ck]

 I disagree completely. The Rachni are one of the single most intelligent species in the known galaxy, they know damn well what the reapers are capable of, and therefor wouldn't waste ammo trying to kill Shepard. The also know what Shepard is capable of, why would they risk messing with him?

Modifié par Ja5ck, 17 juin 2011 - 01:11 .

[azerSheppard]

Would be nice if the rachni share their tech with us xd

[GnusmasTHX]

I doubt it.

From a player perspective any more interaction with more of the ME universe is a plus.

[Lotion Soronarr]

seirhart wrote...
I am of the opinion that I don't want any paragon choice I made come back to haunt me; realistic or not.

Oh NOES! I CANNOT BE WRONG! MY FRAIL MIND CANNOT HANDLE BEING WRONG!!!

Pfft..you know how I would do this? Random Number Generator. Dice rolled on new game start, so no re-load to get it your way (only a new game or modding).
There no way to tell if something will turn out good or bad. The nit realyl becomes a true difficult choice, with metagaming falling ot zero.
No matter how many times you play, there's ALWAYS A chance things wil not work as planned...as in real life.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

The "right" choices are often the boring ones. I have two playthroughs, one as maleShep, one as femShep. If the Rachni go crazy and start eating people, it's just entertainment.

[hangmans tree]

And I wager 1000 BW points that we will have to kill some cerberus operatives O_o

[Eire Icon]

I'd like to see a choice such as saving the rachni result in the death of one of Shepards LI's or something like that. Often what seems like the right choice turns out to be the wrong choice and I'd like to see that reflected in the game. There has to be some collatoral damage

[Inprea]

Not something I'm worried about for two major reasons. First being that I consider saving the Rachni as the ethical thing to do regardless of the final outcome. It's unfortunate that it's so easy for people to meta-game as that really spoils one of the major aspects of rpgs. The second reason I must admit is meta gaming. Most notably I have never had a bioware game give me a penalty I couldn't easily manage for taking the ethical decision.

I believe the worse might have been in Jade Empire when saving a little girl's life (If you fail a conversation roll earlier) cost you 10 chi points though it does grant you 7 mind. Now this is 10 chi points out of hundreds of points.

Well that or losing the 2,000 credit for not letting the Batarian die in ME2. I could have really used that 2,000 credits.

Watch this if it is in fact only Paragon who have to deal with Rachni husks then the number of other types of husk will be reduced and in reality the Rachni ones will be easier to gun down.

[Terastar]

Well, if I heard Casey right the thing is the choices are not WHO you save but WHAT worlds will you save. I am thinking that if I saved the Rachni and I also saved the Genophage cure that I might have to make the decision to save the Krogan home world OR the Rachni home world and I would be unable to save both home worlds because one or the other would turn against you because they both would not alley themselves with you against the Reapers. The same would work with the Geth and the Quarian. Just a thought.

[DaringMoosejaw]

I think it's childish that people have once again herded themselves into 'groups', Renegade and Paragon, and seem to want to do everything they can to prove their choices were superior and make sure the other side doesn't have any fun and is proven stupid. They want to make sure the other side suffers for playing the game how they want to play, because they did not play it the way they were 'supposed' to.

Why can't you play the game the way you like and let others play the game the way they like?

[Smeelia]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I think it's childish that people have once again herded themselves into 'groups', Renegade and Paragon, and seem to want to do everything they can to prove their choices were superior and make sure the other side doesn't have any fun and is proven stupid. They want to make sure the other side suffers for playing the game how they want to play, because they did not play it the way they were 'supposed' to.

Why can't you play the game the way you like and let others play the game the way they like?

To be fair, for a lot of people it's more about the story not being exactly what they hoped.  Some people would like more "cynical" outcomes, some people like "optimistic" outcomes and everyone has their own ideas.  Unfortunately, whichever way the story goes some people will be left disappointed while others will be pleased.  Even having decisions for players to make that give alternative outcomes isn't enough and in some ways may cause more conflict when one side gets an outcome of the style that a person wants when making the opposite choice they made.

People might not change the story but there's no reason not to discuss alternative ideas for how things could go.

Of course, some people are just as you said but I'd like to think it's a minority.

Modifié par Smeelia, 17 juin 2011 - 03:08 .

[Metalunatic]

Even if the Reapers indoctrinate them again I would still give her the chance.