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[Warkupo]

implodinggoat wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Why do I need Warp when she's going to just wind up using Stasis every time her CD resets?

Dude, you seriously need to set the squad power usage to manual.  It makes the game a lot more interesting.

Dude, I do. 

Stasis is a very good power. 

[Dannyboy9876]

CC > Damage

Adept in ME1 was amazing because of this.

[Bozorgmehr]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I wonder if biotics will work in the same way as ME2 as in can't use CC biotics on protected enemies. If so warp becomes really useful for stripping armour and barriers. The other issue is shared cooldowns, what's the point in sinking points into two biotic skills that are very similar if they share a cooldown anyway?

ME3's Liara has Singularity and Stasis - those two powers can CC all ME2 enemies regardless protection. What's the point in Warping some dude for a tiny amount of damage?

[Someone With Mass]

Stasis is better than Warp, because it can kill enemies the very instant it wears off if it's placed right.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Nice, wonder what lift orb is ? and now can even Adepts get atleast 550 in barrier (no reason to play sentinel anymore).

BTW, i'm a bit puzzled why have squadmates a morality meter.

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 16 juin 2011 - 01:13 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Stasis is better than Warp, because it can kill enemies the very instant it wears off if it's placed right.

I doubt that glitch is still in ME 3.

[implodinggoat]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

ME3's Liara has Singularity and Stasis - those two powers can CC all ME2 enemies regardless protection. What's the point in Warping some dude for a tiny amount of damage?

A: You can strip their defenses to make them vulnerable to abilities that don't work on enemies with defenses.

B:  You can set up warp explosions on enemies effected by pull, singularity, etc.

C:  Doing nothing but crowd control ad naseum will get monotonous.  A variety of powers keeps things interesting.

D:  If you have Singularity and Stasis for crowd control; what possible use will you have for throw or Lift Orb?

Modifié par implodinggoat, 16 juin 2011 - 01:16 .

[implodinggoat]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

BTW, i'm a bit puzzled why have companions a morality meter.

I'm pretty sure that's Shepard's meter and it just shows up regardless of what character you're looking at.

[Robhuzz]

implodinggoat wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

BTW, i'm a bit puzzled why have companions a morality meter.

I'm pretty sure that's Shepard's meter and it just shows up regardless of what character you're looking at.

It was confirmed this was only a mistake (Think Casey Hudson said it on twitter). The final version of the game will not have this bar.

[Bozorgmehr]

implodinggoat wrote...

A: You can strip their defenses to make them vulnerable to abilities that don't work on enemies with defenses.

B:  You can set up warp explosions on enemies effected by pull, singularity, etc.

A: Why strip defenses if you already have two abilities that work through defenses?

B: You always need two to tango - Liare cannot setup warp bombs by herself, so you always need another teammember to detonate.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Robhuzz wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

BTW, i'm a bit puzzled why have companions a morality meter.

I'm pretty sure that's Shepard's meter and it just shows up regardless of what character you're looking at.

It was confirmed this was only a mistake (Think Casey Hudson said it on twitter). The final version of the game will not have this bar.

Thanks for clearing that out.

[Kadzin]

I think they should give Warp back to Liara, it's a classic Adept power and should be kept a biotic specialist such as Liara.

[implodinggoat]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

A: Why strip defenses if you already have two abilities that work through defenses?

B: You always need two to tango - Liara cannot setup warp bombs by herself, so you always need another team member to detonate.

A: Singularity is a lot more devestating against enemies who's defenses are stripped as are many other powers.

B: True; but if she can use warp to detonate as well as setting enemies up for warp detonation then she becomes much more versatile.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 16 juin 2011 - 01:22 .

[NICKjnp]

Warp is for Kaidan and Wrex.....and she has throw so you can easily have her pull an enemy and throw them off the map.

[Bozorgmehr]

m14567 wrote...

Liara could detonate her singularity with warp in LOTSB.

No she cannot. Her Sing is on a 30 second cooldown, even with the 20% CD reduction upgrade and her 25% passive bonus has Sing on a +15 seconds cooldown. Sing doesn't hold enemies that long and even if it did enemies would be death 99% of the time due to double (weapon) damage, Sing's draining effect and squadmate preference to shoot ragdolled enemies.

The only chance Liara has to detonate her own Sing is to use it as a trap, pray enemies will ignore it for 10 seconds, then step into the AoE just before Warp becomes ready. Very unlikely / almost impossible and without any tactical advantages.

implodinggoat wrote...

A: Singularity is a lot more devestating against enemies who's defenses are stripped as are many other powers.

B: True; but if she can use warp to detonate as well as setting enemies up for warp detonation then she becomes much more versatile.

A: Singularity is useless once enemies have lost defenses. Against unprotected enemies you're much better off using Pull (travels faster, longer duration, better cooldown). The only reason to use Sing is to trap and hold enemies who are immune to Pull.

B: Not really; the only class that benefits is the Adept though Liara would severely gimp the Adept class when everyone else can bring one along in the form of a squadmate. Adept can setup and detonate; all other classes cannot. Thus playing Sentinel - for example - will force you to use Liara to setup; playing Vanguard would force you to use Liara to detonate. Or you're forced to bring another squadmate with Pull or Warp to team up with Liara. You can do that already without giving Liara Warp.

Modifié par Bozorgmehr, 16 juin 2011 - 01:37 .

[implodinggoat]

Alright Bozorgmehr your argument seems to be that the combination of Singularity and Stasis will handle pretty much everything. So I gotta ask...

What possible use are you gonna have for Throw or Lift Orb?

I can see your argument that if you play Liara exactly as you propose that you might not get much use out of Warp; but surely even if you play as you propose you're still going to get more use out of Warp then you would out of two additional crowd control powers.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 16 juin 2011 - 01:58 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

@Bozorgmehr Just watched one of your adept youtube videos and I fear I've been playing adept completely wrong. lol. I always found warp useful in ME2 but I can see I've been playing completely different.

[Sparrow44]

I wouldn't sweat it about Liara not having Warp as Singularity and Stasis are very powerful abilities and have sort of become Liara's token powers seeing as she's had those 2 in all 3 games. And if this 'Lift Orb' is basically 'Lift' in disguise then Liara already has the 3 most powerful biotics from ME1/ME2.

Plus wait 'till they've announced some more squadmates, there's a decent chance Miranda, Thane or Jack will have Warp in this game too.

[The Spamming Troll]

Yes Make liara so good i dont need to play an adept. Unfortunatly that prolly makes sense to bioware.

[implodinggoat]

Sparroww wrote...

Plus wait 'till they've announced some more squadmates, there's a decent chance Miranda, Thane or Jack will have Warp in this game too.

Ugghhhh....hopefully not Jack, I've had my fill of that character.

[Bozorgmehr]

implodinggoat wrote...

Alright Bozorgmehr your argument seems to be that the combination of Singularity and Stasis will handle pretty much everything. So I gotta ask...

What possible use are you gonna have for Throw or Lift Orb?

I can see your argument that if you play Liara exactly as you propose that you might not get much use out of Warp; but surely even if you play as you propose you're still going to get more use out of Warp then you would out of two additional crowd control powers.

Liara is a controller; she can CC every enemy in the game (assuming enemies are ME2 ish); Throw and Lift Orb (whatever that might be) are likely only going to affect enemies who've lost defenses. I think we can expect things will be as they are in ME2 - Pull and Throw are on half the cooldown so can be used more often to compensate their handicap against defenses. Thus it will (always) be better to use Pull/Throw whenever defenses are out of the way, like in ME2.

I use Pull and Throw multiple times more often compared to Sing, Stasis and/or Warp when I'm playing ME2 Adept.

Warp is actually a pretty poor power; using it to strip defenses or inflict damage is always the worst option (if there are other options available like CC ing enemies). Warp is only recommended when you've a ragdolled enemy close to some of its palls (so the Warp detonation affects multiple enemies) - against a single target you're better off using Throw which can inflict much more damage than Warp btw (throwing a Krogan of the map kills it while 2-3 warp explosions are needed to kill the same Krogan once armor is out of the way - for example).

Powers like Throw are awesome CC powers, you can perma-CC up to 3 enemies who've lost defense, they won't be able to get up and fight back at all. Using a Warp explosion will also knockdown enemies, but they will be back on their feet, shooting you, before cooldown will be ready again.

m14567 wrote...

Her singularity is on a 20 sec cooldown with bonuses comes down to around 12 seconds. I'm almost sure she can do it.

My bad - I mixed up Sing and Combat Drones Still, 12 seconds is not enough (Heavy Sing holds enemies up to 9 seconds (less on Insanity, and less so when enemies have defenses up when Sing hits em).

[CroGamer002]

m14567 wrote...

Liara could detonate her singularity with warp in LOTSB.

I stop caring after seeing Stasis.

[CroGamer002]

implodinggoat wrote...

Sparroww wrote...

Plus wait 'till they've announced some more squadmates, there's a decent chance Miranda, Thane or Jack will have Warp in this game too.

Ugghhhh....hopefully not Jack, I've had my fill of that character.