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[SilentNukee]

Someone With Mass wrote...

If Liara gets Warp as well as Singularity and Stasis in ME3, she'd be overpowered like hell compared to most squadmates that have usually only attacks and defenses against a certain type of enemy.

I think she works just fine if there's another squadmate that can back her up.

I just hope squaddies will not be like Miranda was in ME2. She was basically the best squadmate, especially for insanity. Seriously, warp + overload + increased squadmate weapon dmg? ...Sentinels squadmates are badass, but don't give them everything so we basically have to take them over others we'd like more.

That being said, I still think Liara should keep her warp. She is afterall, an amazing adept. But, I'm bias, so...

[Bluko]

Well giving Liara Warp wouldn't be unreasonable, were it not for the fact she has Singularity and Stasis.

Singularity is alright since it locks down certain protected opponets and flings unprotected enemies around. It's a good crowd control ability.

Stasis is just about broken powerful. Not only does it let you exclude most enemies from fights (making them that much easier), but it also makes enemies fall down afterwards making it easy to inflict lots of damage. Stasis is easily one of the most crippling abilities you can use against enemies.

IMO it would make more sense if Liara had either Singulairty or Stasis, but not both. They both more or less fufill the same role of "locking down" enemies. In that regard it seems rather redundant she has both. (Sort of like why would anyone invest fully in both Throw and Pull?) So with both she can essentially lockdown just about any enemy, except Bosses in which case Liara isn't going to be useful at all. This is something of concern of mine; as certain classes are all but useless against some enemies. Seeing as Singularity is suppose to be the Adept's calling card I'd say have Liara keep Stasis, but give her Warp instead of Singularity.

Liara is the only confirmed Biotic on the team thus far (besides Kaidan for some). Not having Warp available on at least 2 squadmates seems rather limiting as defense stripping is a rather key element of the game. And Warp is the only ability viable against Armor and Barriers.

[ME-ParaShep]

Nimander wrote...

ME-ParaShep wrote...
How about Throw be replaced with Warp? Warp is a lot more helpful than Throw and there's still Lift Orb, Singularity, and Stasis to be the CC. In fact.. I still think there are one too many CC skills. Lift orb should be more of a widespread concussive shot type of skill.

Because Warp with those others would be pretty over the top.

Then again, I'm one of those weirdos who doesn't think /anyone/ but Shep should have Singularity or Combat Drone -- or NPCs should get Adrenaline Rush, Cloak, and Charge.

Haha. I'm living with the fact that Liara (currently) has Singularity. It's been very helpful. Stasis on the other hand.. I don't use it. It's only there to freeze and not damage anybody :/ I don't use it at all. But warp was helpful in LotSB  Fighting the waves of SB mercs, Tela Vasir, and SB himself would've been a pain if it wasn't for Singularity and Warp. Considering I was an Adept playing on Insanity it was a challenge, but thanks to Liara for having those powers. They helped pull us through. So that's why I'd at least like it if Warp and Singularity were kept for Liara. Pull, Shockwave, Incinerate, Concussive Shot, Overload, Combat Drone, AI hacking, and Cryo Freeze can stay They have a great purpose in assisting kills

[implodinggoat]

SilentNukee wrote...

I just hope squaddies will not be like Miranda was in ME2. She was basically the best squadmate, especially for insanity. Seriously, warp + overload + increased squadmate weapon dmg? ...Sentinels squadmates are badass, but don't give them everything so we basically have to take them over others we'd like more.

That being said, I still think Liara should keep her warp. She is afterall, an amazing adept. But, I'm bias, so...

I disagree with your assment of Miranda.  She was definitely one of the best squadmates and most certainly the most versatile; but unless you were fighting a combination of enemies who had armor or barriers and enemies with shields then the more specialized squadmates had her outclassed.

For example Miranda couldn't touch Tali when it came to fighting Geth, Mordin had her outclassed when it came to fighting enemies with just armor, Garrus was better against shielded enemies, Grunt was the best against Husks and Samara and Thane were both badass unless they were up against enemies with shields.

Because of her versatility and her awesome passive bonus to weapon damage Miranda was always a good choice against any enemy; but she was only really the best choice against Eclipse Mercs who sported a mix of units with barriers and ones with shields.

Honestly I don't like squadmates who are too specialized (Jack, Legion, Jacob).  Since all the powers share a single cooldown having a more versatile set of powers doesn't really make a character overpowered just more adaptable.

PS:  The only truly overpowered Ally in ME2 was Kasumi.  Rapid Shadow Strike was just obscenely overpowered.

[SilentNukee]

implodinggoat wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I just hope squaddies will not be like Miranda was in ME2. She was basically the best squadmate, especially for insanity. Seriously, warp + overload + increased squadmate weapon dmg? ...Sentinels squadmates are badass, but don't give them everything so we basically have to take them over others we'd like more.

That being said, I still think Liara should keep her warp. She is afterall, an amazing adept. But, I'm bias, so...

I disagree with your assment of Miranda.  She was definitely one of the best squadmates and most certainly the most versatile; but unless you were fighting a combination of enemies who had armor or barriers and enemies with shields then the more specialized squadmates had her outclassed.

For example Miranda couldn't touch Tali when it came to fighting Geth, Mordin had her outclassed when it came to fighting enemies with just armor, Garrus was better against shielded enemies, Grunt was the best against Husks and Samara and Thane were both badass unless they were up against enemies with shields.

Because of her versatility and her awesome passive bonus to weapon damage Miranda was always a good choice against any enemy; but she was only really the best choice against Eclipse Mercs who sported a mix of units with barriers and ones with shields.

Honestly I don't like squadmates who are too specialized (Jack, Legion, Jacob).  Since all the powers share a single cooldown having a more versatile set of powers doesn't really make a character overpowered just more adaptable.

PS:  The only truly overpowered Ally in ME2 was Kasumi.  Rapid Shadow Strike was just obscenely overpowered.

Which makes her the best + w/e squaddie is good for the situation. The passive increased in weapon damage and the skills to take down both shields/barriers and armor just makes her more attractive to have 1 spot dedicated to her at all times. Especially in insanity since most enemies have added protection.

I want diversity in squadmates. I do not want them to be either under or overpowered. Just...equal.

[AlanC9]

implodinggoat wrote...
I disagree with your assment of Miranda.  She was definitely one of the best squadmates and most certainly the most versatile; but unless you were fighting a combination of enemies who had armor or barriers and enemies with shields then the more specialized squadmates had her outclassed.

So Miranda gets better as the difficulty levels increase? OK, but doesn't that mean that Miranda's the best choice unless the difficulty is so low that it doesn't matter who you pick?

[implodinggoat]

Bluko wrote...

Well giving Liara Warp wouldn't be unreasonable, were it not for the fact she has Singularity and Stasis.

Singularity is alright since it locks down certain protected opponets and flings unprotected enemies around. It's a good crowd control ability.

Stasis is just about broken powerful. Not only does it let you exclude most enemies from fights (making them that much easier), but it also makes enemies fall down afterwards making it easy to inflict lots of damage. Stasis is easily one of the most crippling abilities you can use against enemies.

Stasis is indeed broken in ME2.   I'm pretty sure Bioware understands that so I don't think we can judge how powerful it will be based on ME2.  In fact if you look at the screenshot I provided it looks like the power of her Singularity has been severly curtailed at least at lower levels, I'd imagine the same will be true of stasis.

IMO it would make more sense if Liara had either Singulairty or Stasis, but not both. They both more or less fufill the same role of "locking down" enemies. In that regard it seems rather redundant she has both. (Sort of like why would anyone invest fully in both Throw and Pull?) So with both she can essentially lockdown just about any enemy, except Bosses in which case Liara isn't going to be useful at all. This is something of concern of mine; as certain classes are all but useless against some enemies. Seeing as Singularity is suppose to be the Adept's calling card I'd say have Liara keep Stasis, but give her Warp instead of Singularity.

Personally I really enjoyed whipping out Singularity during LOTSB simply because its such an entertaining power to use and I'd be a little dissapointed if Liara didn't have it.  Stasis does seem to have a lot of overlap with it although that perception is based on our impressions of it from ME2 where the power was clearly broken. 

I can understand Adepts not wanting other classes to be able to use their power; but as a soldier I can't say I'm sympathetic considering the fact that you can now use all my guns.

If I was going to pick a power to drop in favor of warp it would probably be the lift orb.  Although I don't know much about it, it also seems like it has a lot of overlap with singularity and having a power with a quick cooldown like throw would probably prove more useful.  That of course is assuming that they've fixed Stasis, if they haven't I'd rather they just drop it from the game entirely.

Liara is the only confirmed Biotic on the team thus far (besides Kaidan for some). Not having Warp available on at least 2 squadmates seems rather limiting as defense stripping is a rather key element of the game. And Warp is the only ability viable against Armor and Barriers.

That's another concern I share, particularly considering that we might end up with Jack as the only other biotic (Kaiden is KIA in my game) and the concept of hauling her around everywhere is very unappealing.

[suprhomre]

 Dead BIOWARE please just do your job and don't listen to people in forums.

[Blacklash93]

suprhomre wrote...

 Dead BIOWARE please just do your job and don't listen to people in forums.

Part of their job is to please the fans. The best way to deliver on that is by listening to them.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 19 juin 2011 - 06:32 .

[implodinggoat]

AlanC9 wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...
I disagree with your assment of Miranda.  She was definitely one of the best squadmates and most certainly the most versatile; but unless you were fighting a combination of enemies who had armor or barriers and enemies with shields then the more specialized squadmates had her outclassed.

So Miranda gets better as the difficulty levels increase? OK, but doesn't that mean that Miranda's the best choice unless the difficulty is so low that it doesn't matter who you pick?

No, Miranda is always a solid pick; but there are numerous situations where she's not one of your 2 best options.  The problem with Miranda is that in most cases you only need Warp OR Overload not both so one of her powers is going to go largely unused.

If you're up against enemies with Shields and Armor (YMIR Mechs, some elite mercs) or a mix of units with shields and ones with barriers or armor (Eclipse Mercs and Blue Suns mercs) then both powers are useful, if not there are better squadies.

[implodinggoat]

suprhomre wrote...

 Dead BIOWARE please just do your job and don't listen to people in forums.

So you're posting on Bioware's forums to tell Bioware that they shouldn't listen to people on the very forum you're posting on?   Seems a tad self contradictory.

[suprhomre]

implodinggoat wrote...

suprhomre wrote...

 Dead BIOWARE please just do your job and don't listen to people in forums.

So you're posting on Bioware's forums to tell Bioware that they shouldn't listen to people on the very forum you're posting on?   Seems a tad self contradictory.

It's good that BIOWARE take their time to listen and reply and so on. But, in the end I don't want them to go mainstream with their games. Hence, DA2. I think they should stick to some of their own unique way of doing games, good or bad, it should be a BIOWARE game, not a patch up game just to please some ceratain people. Don't get me wrong I think they should know what they are doing wrong and what they are doing good in forums from us fans. But, should also stay true of being and artist/animator/creators of game. This is my opinion it's not ment for troling or agitating people.

[ME-ParaShep]

suprhomre wrote...

 Dead BIOWARE please just do your job and don't listen to people in forums.

Haha! You're funny. You just said to Bioware to NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE IN FORUMS. One of those people happen to be you. I'm sure you can figure out what you got yourself into

[Fordtransit]

I think adept without warp is like playboy without ..xxick, racecar without engine, a tank without a gun. It is POINTLESS. On insanaty i used to warp so much my fingerst started to swet.
Ok it is within the bigger picture, how and were tu use, but peopole do play differently, so let them choos, warp or stasis, BUT warp is for adept as red is for Coca Cola. Recommend decisive action. Bring it back!!!

[Spirit Keeper]

Indeed, I too would prefer to see Liara with warp.

[Mister Mida]

I agree. Give Liara Warp. In fact, give all squaddies more powers or talents or how they want to call them this time.

[JayhartRIC]

I wouldn't mind getting warp as long as she doesn't have to give up any of the ones she has.

[Dariustwinblade]

Liara should have Warp. She had it in LOTSB. It looks wierd she has throw and not warp.


Overload wouldn't be bad too. She had that in Me1.

[The Spamming Troll]

Bluko wrote...

Well giving Liara Warp wouldn't be unreasonable, were it not for the fact she has Singularity and Stasis.

Singularity is alright since it locks down certain protected opponets and flings unprotected enemies around. It's a good crowd control ability.

Stasis is just about broken powerful. Not only does it let you exclude most enemies from fights (making them that much easier), but it also makes enemies fall down afterwards making it easy to inflict lots of damage. Stasis is easily one of the most crippling abilities you can use against enemies.

IMO it would make more sense if Liara had either Singulairty or Stasis, but not both. They both more or less fufill the same role of "locking down" enemies. In that regard it seems rather redundant she has both. (Sort of like why would anyone invest fully in both Throw and Pull?) So with both she can essentially lockdown just about any enemy, except Bosses in which case Liara isn't going to be useful at all. This is something of concern of mine; as certain classes are all but useless against some enemies. Seeing as Singularity is suppose to be the Adept's calling card I'd say have Liara keep Stasis, but give her Warp instead of Singularity.

Liara is the only confirmed Biotic on the team thus far (besides Kaidan for some). Not having Warp available on at least 2 squadmates seems rather limiting as defense stripping is a rather key element of the game. And Warp is the only ability viable against Armor and Barriers.

completely agree. if stasis is gonig to stay OP in ME3, then liara should get warp instead of singularity. i know shes an adept, and adepts have singularity, but shes gonig to make playing an adept, seem redundant. especially if her singularity is insta cast.

[Aumata]

I say give her Warp and trade it for Throw, and I am a adept player at that. I hated ME2 for the way it work where instead of picking my fav, I had to play on who is the most useful, so I ended up aiming for two specialized characters who can adapt, and had to forcefully use other characters. If squadmates get to be adaptable then that improve upon them and rid of redundant characters.

Besides having two characters that can warp bomb everywhere would be sweet, possibly 3 if someone else have warp. But giving liara throw is pointless, and as the other guy said there is a multiple playstyles that uses different tactics, having a character that is versatile can meet those requirements so we don't end up like Dragon Age 2 squad.

[The Spamming Troll]

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one could say giving throw to adept shepard is pointless. you have to keep in mind liara has singularity and stasis, currrently the best two biotics available. giving her warp really puts the redundant thing in full effect while im playing the adept.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 09 août 2011 - 12:42 .

[adonfraz]

lightsnow13 wrote...

What I don't understand is the difference between lift orb and singularity? Both lift enemies into the air -- but it seems from the demo that one lifts (lift orb) while the other throws them around (singularity).

I just want there to be a bigger difference...

Lift orb is a biotic grenade or something. Do you have a link to lift orb being used?

[Sashimi_taco]

I remember in ME1 i would bring her along just so she could throw random singularities and i would watch as the entire room went up in the air.

I miss being OP in ME1.

[Kabanya101]

Give her warp and more powers.