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[Daddy Bags]

Clonedzero wrote...

VolusNamedBob wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Shepard struggling with indoctrination might work.

This does have the potential to work well. It'd be interesting to see how the player and Shepard as a character are supposed to cope with indoctrination.

And my money is that the Turian Councilor is indoctrinated and has assumed the role of Saren.

everyone knows that shepard is the new saren.

semi-rogue spectre.
has krogan, geth, and rachni allies (potentially)
has cure for genophage.
has cybernetic implants.
ect.

You're right about everything except the fact that Shepard is fighting against the Reapers..not teaming up with them.

[Minty-Fresh]

ReD BaKen9 wrote...

"The trap created by the Reapers was simple. A sentient species would develop FTL drive, but would still be limited in its speed. By leaving a network of relays capable of instant transport across the galaxy that led to the impressive Citadel, the Reapers ensured that it would become the center of galactic civilization. Further, Sovereign implies that the presence of the mass relays would lead the sentient species down a predetermined route with regards to weapons and armor technology (both of which are based upon element zero technology for the Citadel races). It is probable that this reduces the possibility of organic life discovering alternative, more advanced technology and progressing down a different 'path'; or, as Sovereign explains, 'By using it [mass relay technology] your society develops along the paths we desire.' "


Got it off the Wiki

So there must be a weakness for them to be so cautious with technology, maybe the Thanix Cannon was a step in the right direction, as we have taken technology from a Reaper, advanced tech.

[TheSt3alth]

I would not be suprised in the least if Shepherd was indoctrinated. He's spent way too much time with Reapers: Eden Prime, the Citadel under attack, the Collecter base, the station with the reaper tech in the ME2 DLC etc.

Although it would probably suck as a plot twist.

[Minty-Fresh]

TheSt3alth wrote...

I would not be suprised in the least if Shepherd was indoctrinated. He's spent way too much time with Reapers: Eden Prime, the Citadel under attack, the Collecter base, the station with the reaper tech in the ME2 DLC etc.

Although it would probably suck as a plot twist.

Naw, Dead Space 2 did it perfectly, and if Visceral can do it Bioware can.

Shepard losing her sanity, seeing Reapers that arent there, hearing Harbinger, Saren, and Saverign all throughout the game.

[100k]

iAmLegion2183 wrote...

Hows this for a twist...

The Alliance has always known about the Reapers. Evidence of the Reapers was discovered when scientists excavated Mars and found the Prothean ruins and the technology cache, but this knownledge was kept from the civilian population. Xenophobic Alliance brass decided not to tell the citadel council after the First Contact War with the Turians. The Alliance decided that they were going to put a sustainable human population into hiding. After the galactic purge is completed and the Reapers have left the galaxy these humans would go onto repopulate the galaxy. The next 50,000 years would allow the human race to rival the technology of the Reapers, and dominate the galaxy. The Alliance orders Cerberus to retrieve and resurrect Commander Shepard because he is the only person capable of removing the Collector threat. The Alliance can't afford loss of colonies, these will be be required to repopulate the galaxy. The Alliance can't stop the Collectors head on using a fleet of ships against the Collectors because it would cause tension with the Batarians. The Alliance can't afford an all out war with massive losses of human lives.

Cerberus is then ordered to terminate Shepard because he has the potential to actually stop the Reapers at this cycle. The Alliance and Cerberus don't want a diverse galactic population of aliens, and Shepard is too resourceful.

I am completely on this.

This is completely brilliant. The Alliance ultimately being every bit as genophobic and selfish as Cerberus would be an excellent twist!

I'm gonna guess that, by the end of ME3, the Alliance, Cerberus, and the Council will be the three major players. Paragon players would be torn with three options as to whom to side with, with the unobvious paragon option to be the Council, and the deceptive option to be the Alliance (Cerberus being quite clearly renegade).

On top of that, having Shepard wiping out the Collectors now makes perfect sense. With the galaxy empty of sentient space faring life for several thousand years, the Alliance wouldn't be able to emerge from hiding with the Collectors and a in-galaxy Reaper probing the stars for potential space faring races. At the first sight of an Alliance ship or radio communication, they'd either abduct expanding human colonies without taking a hit, or send in a few Reapers to wipe out humanities last pockets. 

All the protheans had to do to adequately warn humanity of the Reapers would be to make a simple and very clear cut message to humans on Mars, trusting earth to eventually reach that destination. The Alliance grabs that information first, realizes the futility of their actions, and plans a massive expansion in wake of a galactic river of blood. 

The only thing that doesn't make sense is the last part. Cerberus wouldn't be "ordered" to do anything. It seems more likely that the Alliance initially used Cerberus for their own goals, but with TIM having taken over, Cerberus is out of their control. They wouldn't need to order Cerberus to take down Shepard if their communication and over all goals were no longer aligned. They could just pull Shepard into a side room full of Alliance N7 Marines and gun him down, or shoot him in his sleep. Shepard expects an attack from Cerberus, but from the Alliance?

It seems more likely that the two factions (alliance and cerberus) work together periodically and unintentionally get the same results. But in the end, they have  to similar, if not equally startling goals:

Cerberus plans on utilizing Reaper technology and Geth technology to stop the Reapers, and essentially rule over the other races. Obviously resistance will be swift, but Cerberus will put down anyone who stops them.

The Alliance plans on using the other races as a shield, stealthily escaping a sea of bloodshed, to emerge a few thousand years later onto a quiet and utterly human exclusive galaxy. Their human dominance is utterly assured. 

The one flaw with the Alliance's plan is that it counts on at least a few thousand years in which humanity will remain "veiled" from the Reapers. That's a long time, and an even longer maintaining of power and control. Its a great plan for long term goals, but Cerberus seems more open to just winning quickly.

Damn...this is probably the best speculation I've ever read!

Modifié par 100k, 17 juin 2011 - 06:40 .

[Yeti13]

Okay I think I worked it out.

Conrad Verner wielding two-omni blades comes riding in on Blasto who is carrying 6 M-Cains and they are leading a fleet of reverse indoctrinated Reapers who wipe out the Reapers and Conrad is voted supreme dictator of the Milky Way and he screams "MY WIFE IS GOING TO BE SO IMPRESSED"

that is what BW needs to do to blow my mind!

[Illusive]

Garrus: Shepard, I am your father.
Shepard: YEEESSSSSSS!!!!!

[ArcticMan94]

Harbinger is a woman.

[Devildealer]

Conrad Verner is actually a reaper in human form.

[Yeti13]

^^ Conrad it turns out is God and how you treated him determines weather the galaxy is saved or not!

[Minty-Fresh]

Yeti13 wrote...

^^ Conrad it turns out is God and how you treated him determines weather the galaxy is saved or not!

Well everyone is doomed, due to intimidate being the only one the games uses

[ace1221]

100k wrote...

iAmLegion2183 wrote...

Hows this for a twist...

The Alliance has always known about the Reapers. Evidence of the Reapers was discovered when scientists excavated Mars and found the Prothean ruins and the technology cache, but this knownledge was kept from the civilian population. Xenophobic Alliance brass decided not to tell the citadel council after the First Contact War with the Turians. The Alliance decided that they were going to put a sustainable human population into hiding. After the galactic purge is completed and the Reapers have left the galaxy these humans would go onto repopulate the galaxy. The next 50,000 years would allow the human race to rival the technology of the Reapers, and dominate the galaxy. The Alliance orders Cerberus to retrieve and resurrect Commander Shepard because he is the only person capable of removing the Collector threat. The Alliance can't afford loss of colonies, these will be be required to repopulate the galaxy. The Alliance can't stop the Collectors head on using a fleet of ships against the Collectors because it would cause tension with the Batarians. The Alliance can't afford an all out war with massive losses of human lives.

Cerberus is then ordered to terminate Shepard because he has the potential to actually stop the Reapers at this cycle. The Alliance and Cerberus don't want a diverse galactic population of aliens, and Shepard is too resourceful.

I am completely on this.

This is completely brilliant. The Alliance ultimately being every bit as genophobic and selfish as Cerberus would be an excellent twist!

I'm gonna guess that, by the end of ME3, the Alliance, Cerberus, and the Council will be the three major players. Paragon players would be torn with three options as to whom to side with, with the unobvious paragon option to be the Council, and the deceptive option to be the Alliance (Cerberus being quite clearly renegade).

On top of that, having Shepard wiping out the Collectors now makes perfect sense. With the galaxy empty of sentient space faring life for several thousand years, the Alliance wouldn't be able to emerge from hiding with the Collectors and a in-galaxy Reaper probing the stars for potential space faring races. At the first sight of an Alliance ship or radio communication, they'd either abduct expanding human colonies without taking a hit, or send in a few Reapers to wipe out humanities last pockets. 

All the protheans had to do to adequately warn humanity of the Reapers would be to make a simple and very clear cut message to humans on Mars, trusting earth to eventually reach that destination. The Alliance grabs that information first, realizes the futility of their actions, and plans a massive expansion in wake of a galactic river of blood. 

The only thing that doesn't make sense is the last part. Cerberus wouldn't be "ordered" to do anything. It seems more likely that the Alliance initially used Cerberus for their own goals, but with TIM having taken over, Cerberus is out of their control. They wouldn't need to order Cerberus to take down Shepard if their communication and over all goals were no longer aligned. They could just pull Shepard into a side room full of Alliance N7 Marines and gun him down, or shoot him in his sleep. Shepard expects an attack from Cerberus, but from the Alliance?

It seems more likely that the two factions (alliance and cerberus) work together periodically and unintentionally get the same results. But in the end, they have  to similar, if not equally startling goals:

Cerberus plans on utilizing Reaper technology and Geth technology to stop the Reapers, and essentially rule over the other races. Obviously resistance will be swift, but Cerberus will put down anyone who stops them.

The Alliance plans on using the other races as a shield, stealthily escaping a sea of bloodshed, to emerge a few thousand years later onto a quiet and utterly human exclusive galaxy. Their human dominance is utterly assured. 

The one flaw with the Alliance's plan is that it counts on at least a few thousand years in which humanity will remain "veiled" from the Reapers. That's a long time, and an even longer maintaining of power and control. Its a great plan for long term goals, but Cerberus seems more open to just winning quickly.

Damn...this is probably the best speculation I've ever read!

As much as i applaud this creative plot  twist it is, as spock would say "highly illogical"
Assuming the protheans left behind enough evidence concerning the reaper threat, human scientists would realise that the next extinction phase is just around the corner and not open the mass relay, thereby protecting humanity from the reapers, allowing them to emerge after the happening to rule the galaxy.

My plot twist speculation is in 2 parts: 
1. Shepard is actually an AI programmed to think he is shepard (think boomer from battlestar). Chaos ensues upon his discovery of his true nature. i will admit this is very unlikely
2. The protheans are alive and well, or at least there are some still alive. This is very possible and has already been sort of hinted accidentally by bioware. 

[packardbell]

Ashley/Kaidan being reaper sleeper agents

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I predict the Rachni queen secretly impregnates another queen inside Shepard's stomach. It will pop out and do song and dance number at the end of ME 3, sort of like the alien in Spaceballs.

[azerSheppard]

Would be nice if shep becomes saren 2.0 in next installment of games xd

[Hadark]

Reapers not the true evil force could be a great plot twist. Shepard and Harbinger join to stop real threat.

[100k]

ace1221 wrote...

100k wrote...

iAmLegion2183 wrote...

Hows this for a twist...

The Alliance has always known about the Reapers. Evidence of the Reapers was discovered when scientists excavated Mars and found the Prothean ruins and the technology cache, but this knownledge was kept from the civilian population. Xenophobic Alliance brass decided not to tell the citadel council after the First Contact War with the Turians. The Alliance decided that they were going to put a sustainable human population into hiding. After the galactic purge is completed and the Reapers have left the galaxy these humans would go onto repopulate the galaxy. The next 50,000 years would allow the human race to rival the technology of the Reapers, and dominate the galaxy. The Alliance orders Cerberus to retrieve and resurrect Commander Shepard because he is the only person capable of removing the Collector threat. The Alliance can't afford loss of colonies, these will be be required to repopulate the galaxy. The Alliance can't stop the Collectors head on using a fleet of ships against the Collectors because it would cause tension with the Batarians. The Alliance can't afford an all out war with massive losses of human lives.

Cerberus is then ordered to terminate Shepard because he has the potential to actually stop the Reapers at this cycle. The Alliance and Cerberus don't want a diverse galactic population of aliens, and Shepard is too resourceful.

I am completely on this.

This is completely brilliant. The Alliance ultimately being every bit as genophobic and selfish as Cerberus would be an excellent twist!

I'm gonna guess that, by the end of ME3, the Alliance, Cerberus, and the Council will be the three major players. Paragon players would be torn with three options as to whom to side with, with the unobvious paragon option to be the Council, and the deceptive option to be the Alliance (Cerberus being quite clearly renegade).

On top of that, having Shepard wiping out the Collectors now makes perfect sense. With the galaxy empty of sentient space faring life for several thousand years, the Alliance wouldn't be able to emerge from hiding with the Collectors and a in-galaxy Reaper probing the stars for potential space faring races. At the first sight of an Alliance ship or radio communication, they'd either abduct expanding human colonies without taking a hit, or send in a few Reapers to wipe out humanities last pockets. 

All the protheans had to do to adequately warn humanity of the Reapers would be to make a simple and very clear cut message to humans on Mars, trusting earth to eventually reach that destination. The Alliance grabs that information first, realizes the futility of their actions, and plans a massive expansion in wake of a galactic river of blood. 

The only thing that doesn't make sense is the last part. Cerberus wouldn't be "ordered" to do anything. It seems more likely that the Alliance initially used Cerberus for their own goals, but with TIM having taken over, Cerberus is out of their control. They wouldn't need to order Cerberus to take down Shepard if their communication and over all goals were no longer aligned. They could just pull Shepard into a side room full of Alliance N7 Marines and gun him down, or shoot him in his sleep. Shepard expects an attack from Cerberus, but from the Alliance?

It seems more likely that the two factions (alliance and cerberus) work together periodically and unintentionally get the same results. But in the end, they have  to similar, if not equally startling goals:

Cerberus plans on utilizing Reaper technology and Geth technology to stop the Reapers, and essentially rule over the other races. Obviously resistance will be swift, but Cerberus will put down anyone who stops them.

The Alliance plans on using the other races as a shield, stealthily escaping a sea of bloodshed, to emerge a few thousand years later onto a quiet and utterly human exclusive galaxy. Their human dominance is utterly assured. 

The one flaw with the Alliance's plan is that it counts on at least a few thousand years in which humanity will remain "veiled" from the Reapers. That's a long time, and an even longer maintaining of power and control. Its a great plan for long term goals, but Cerberus seems more open to just winning quickly.

Damn...this is probably the best speculation I've ever read!

As much as i applaud this creative plot  twist it is, as spock would say "highly illogical"
Assuming the protheans left behind enough evidence concerning the reaper threat, human scientists would realise that the next extinction phase is just around the corner and not open the mass relay, thereby protecting humanity from the reapers, allowing them to emerge after the happening to rule the galaxy.

My plot twist speculation is in 2 parts: 
1. Shepard is actually an AI programmed to think he is shepard (think boomer from battlestar). Chaos ensues upon his discovery of his true nature. i will admit this is very unlikely
2. The protheans are alive and well, or at least there are some still alive. This is very possible and has already been sort of hinted accidentally by bioware. 

Regarding that idea being illogical:

Not at all. If the Alliance got wind of the Reaper plot, they would have an extremely difficult time justifying keeping people away from the Relays. Chaos would ensue in the event of a public announcement, leading to decades of debate over whether contact with the other species should be initiated.

Then you have the problem of location.  The Reapers would find Earth and kill everyone on the planet, even if they didn't touch the Relays. Earth isn't Illos. They wouldn't allow a species that almost has space traversal technology to survive a purge, because within 50,000 years of a return trip, humanity would likely be a real power house. It is likely that the Graybox hints at a location to another Illos style world where humanity could reside, but that would once again probably require the use of Mass Relays. And once you discover a habitable world after opening just one Relay, it becomes a slippery slope until you're opening up as many as possible.

On top of that, with Earth's population at breaking point, you either expand into the galaxy to map out possibly far far far future colony location potential, resource spots, trade routes, etc to loosen Earth's belt, or you inevitably get slaughtered like the Drell.

As Earth argues about their extremely unpromising fate over a span of 50,000 years, everyone would be casting side ways glances at the Mass Relays. The elephant in the room. It would be like sitting in a little white room for four weeks straight, and having a small red button smack dab in the middle of the room practically begging one to press it.

Also, the idea of meeting other races means that technological leaps of unparalleled proportions would make humanity stronger. If the Alliance's motives aren't entirely malevolent, than they might even be willing to keep small numbers of other species alive as controlled galactic neighbors. 


Plus, if the Protheans told humans that the Reapers attack every 50,000 years, how would one know when the last attack was? What if it was 46,000 years ago? Then you've got plenty of time to waste (from an individuals perspective) to not worry about the Reapers. Can you really hold off on checking the destinations for a Relay when you know you're not going to be attacked for 4000 years? Humanity hasn't even had wide spread electricity for 250 years by the events of ME.

In the end, it is not only logical, but really the thing you can do. Take the time and tech given to you, map out your galactic bearings, watch the fireworks start, and submerge. Maybe even leave Earth to die, so that you can go to Illos 2.

[Farbex]

The plot twist could be the way to defeat reapers :

-Beings of Ligth.
-Prothean superweapon using dark energy.
-unfinished superweapon of a pre-prothean race wiped out by the Reapers.

[Sister Helen]

Shep was dreaming the whole thing.

Then he wakes up, and the Virmire Sacrifice comes out of the shower and says "Good Morning." 

Modifié par Sister Helen, 17 juin 2011 - 11:19 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Sister Helen wrote...

Shep was dreaming the whole thing.

Then he wakes up, and the Virmire Sacrifice comes out of the shower and says "Good Morning."

No no no. Shep wakes up next to Bob Newhart.

[Yeti13]

^^^ No No No Shepard wakes up next to Udina

[Sister Helen]

@ Cutlass Jack:

OHHHH... I sense a DLC. I like your version, but the Udina line is funnier.

Modifié par Sister Helen, 17 juin 2011 - 11:21 .

[Dariuszp]

Whole game will start near collectors base. Shepard have no way to go from there because Omega 4 relay was one way ticket.
So they fly until they were low on fuel. While flying they destroy main reaper fleet. Some of them still make mess on Earth.

Because there were no choice (no fuel), they drift in space killing time making orgies and porn so they can have job and some money after return.

After few years they were rescue by human partol ship what is described here:

Link to bigger image
http://img16.imagesh...38/80593390.jpg



After that they learn that Reapers wasn't immune to our flu and they die in few hours after landing. So it's not Shepard but flu that defeat reapers and save the world.

Something like this :-) Hope that answer your question :-)

PS: Original image http://www.gry-onlin...ks.asp?ID=59075. I just translate it a little. Sorry for my english.
PS2: Vader said "No, I'm your father", not "Luke, I'm your father". I'm just saing...

Modifié par Dariuszp, 17 juin 2011 - 11:27 .

[78stonewobble]

I thought the topic was about the IM being mirandas father (just put another face on the transmissions).