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[Series5Ranger]

Hmmm.....

-Shepard isn't really Shepard. He first "died" during his "Medal / survival" incident in the back story, Dying he found a Prothean / Reaper dig site and used the Tech there to heal himself. His mind died but was replaced by an AI / VI / Prothean Scientist that only thinks he's Shepard.

[Zeevico]

Isn't it obvious?

Shepard is his own grandpa.

I know he feels this.

[shadysnorlax]

There are multiple Shepards.

Space station whose sole purpose was to be able to revive the dead... and they only remade one person? Ya right.

**DISCLAIMER** It's been so long since I played ME2, I don't even know if that's what was going on at the station. But meh. You get the idea.

[Rensafari]

I'd be pretty pissed if they copped out and made it so Shepard only had a short, limited time to live due to Cerberus tampering or the general procedure used to bring him back.

Pretty close to fighting indoctrination I guess, but it would feel kinda lamer if they went with the classic sci-fi MAH BODY'S DYING twist.

[SkittlesKat96]

The plot twist I'm thinking of would be such a game making plot twist that I don't even what to say it...that said I'll bookmark my post in this thread and if it turns out true (I doubt they can do it though with budget and making it good etc.) I'll link to this post.

[DarthSlim108]

I don't think Shepard has Reaper tech in him, but with all the encounters he's had with the Reapers I wouldn't be surprised if Shepard becomes indoctrinated at some point and he has to fight for control of his mind.

[shadowreflexion]

jamesp81 wrote...

I have a couple of ideas.  Feel free to submit your own.

Twist #1:  Cerberus isn't actually indoctrinated.  In fact, it's the other way around.  Through various research they did through things like Project Overlord and other projects, Cerberus has indoctrinated the Reapers and is using them to make a play to rule the entire galaxy.  Now, why would Cerberus have their pets attack Earth then?  Probably because TIM saw the potential of the Human-Reaper, and Earth is where there's enough people to smoothy into one.  Cerberus doesn't mind killing lots of humans if doing so enhances their power.  As a plot device, this could make for a very interesting storyline if handled properly.

Twist #2: Shepard is a robot with a VI or AI in his head, and the "real" Shepard died at the beginning of ME2.  This one has been discussed before.  Personally, I think this would suck.

Twist #3: Shepard has Reaper tech in him.  Again, this would suck, but has been discussed before.

Twist #4: The Council is indoctrinated.  Would not surprise me in the least, especially after "Ahh, yes, Reapers".

What do you guys think?  I'm curious to see everyone else's theories on this.

This is why I love searching up to 10 pages back when I log in. I'm not one for many conspiracy theories but I do wonder about the connection that the Geth may really have to the Reapers. In ME2, they named the Reaper Nazara. Now I don't know what that may mean to others but for me it tells that the Geth shared an interaction on a more personal level. I know that some followed Sovereign but no being with that much intellectual prowess would follow another blindly. Even if the Reapers appeared to be gods to the Geth. The geth know more about the Reapers than anyone.

TIM plays a good game but even powerful people fear others with more power. For a while when I played ME2 and I watched his eyes, I assumed that he was one of the first humanoid Reaper that was created and somehow malfunctioned. And like that old saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" gave me cause to assume again that he was actually testing me in battle. But then I dismissed it because if was going to kill me, he had ample opportunity to do so. Cerberus is powerful true but even they have weaknesses that can be exploited. 
Wilson was my first clue to how fragile Cerberus security can be. Cerberus is probably upset at their "miracle" of science blowing up the collector base.

I worry about the Keepers because there's just too much mystery surrounding them and they are securing things and no one knows where they procure them. And the strange thing is that there's a law protecting them from being interfered with. The council may know what's really going on but then again they may have become complacent with everything around them. The more that I think about it, every species has doomed themselves from the discovery of the Citadel and the Reapers are looking at the Citadel as some kind of proverbial zoo. So I don't think the council is indoctrinated. Even with Kasumi's greybox, I think what was in it was political espionage. Nothing about Reapers and the such because if that was the case then the SB would have gone into more detail over the importance it held for him. He spoke about it as some sort of bargaining chip.

I don't think anyone really knows about the Reapers unless the Council lied and recovered info from Vigil on Ilos?
The closest ones to the Reapers have been Saren (dead) and the Geth. The more I think about Legion's loyalty, he just wants to preserve his race. So what does he know as a collective mind? The Protheans left behind numerous data discs and beacons so what was really on them? (Meaning the data discs) Shiara gave us the Cipher and we were able to listen and understand the Prothean language but those discs have never been interpreted and Shep is the only one who can actually read them. 

I don't think Shep could be a rogue or sleeper agent for the Reapers or Cerberus. I believe that once EDI was freed and Miranda became loyal then that info would have been easily accessible. And one thing about this systematic destruction. When the Reapers pass judgment on a race and start the process, all races may be destroyed but someone is going to write about it in order to preserve what was going on. The writings may become legend or even myth but they would be around. I base this on the fact of discovering the Prothean pyramids and other ancient artifacts. Even on Ilos there would have been more records than entrusting Vigil with the bulk of it. Unless Cerberus or the Council removed it. Something just doesn't add up.

Someone's playing one hell of a game. But I truly believe that many answers lie within the Geth.The ones that have been the closest to the Reapers. 

Edit: Sorry for long post.

Modifié par shadowreflexion, 19 juin 2011 - 04:53 .

[PsychoWARD23]

Krogans have some AI/weapon/ship

[Archereon]

I'm thinking the twist is going to be that Shpeard is indoctrinated. Just saying. All the twists you proposed, bar the "Reaper Tech" and "Council is Indoctrinated" one seem to be something M Night Shyamalan would think of

Modifié par Archereon, 18 juin 2011 - 09:57 .

[Son of Illusive Man]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

The twist is that the reapers are actually nice and the whole thing is just a misunderstanding. Okay maybe not, but maybe they aren't as bad as we thought and they actually think destroying intelligent life in the galaxy is for the greater good. Shep finds out but decides to kill them anyway, so she's both saved and doomed the galaxy at the same time.

I also thought Shep using Reaper tech would be quite likely. But not in a Saren way they involves getting indoctrinated. But I do have a picture in my head of Shep using Reaper tech to upgrade herself and using it to defeat the Reapers only to have people afraid of her once the war is over. Would make the victory bitter sweet, in order to save humanity she has to lose some of her humanity.

That goes against the ME2 endgame quote though.

"You brought me back to fight the reapers.  I'm going to win this war, and I'm going to do it without sacrificing our humanity.

[JayTheWolf]

The thought of twist #1 seems very real to me. That's a strong possibility. I'm beginning to wonder, but I would not entirely hate it. I wouldn't be able to wait to shove my foot up TIM's ass.

The only thing I'll be pissed about is if they pull a "the kid represents humanity/the universe/Shepard" thing. That kid from the gameplay trailer I've seen all over the internet.

[Dannyboy9876]

Arcian wrote...

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

The plot twist I'm thinking of would be such a game making plot twist that I don't even what to say it...that said I'll bookmark my post in this thread and if it turns out true (I doubt they can do it though with budget and making it good etc.) I'll link to this post.

Please PM me with it? I'm really interested to know. 

That said, I personally believe the twist is that TIM has been using samples of Shepard's DNA from the Lazarus Project to mass-produce clones of him/her that are now used as the soldiers we see in ME3.

Ew.

I can see it happening now.

Two shep's in a room.

ITS ME LIARA
NO ITS ME

Then Liara asks random dirty question to find out which one :3

[Ianamus]

I think it's probably something to do with the origin of the Reapers. I mean, they're basically robots- they must have been built by someone.

[RidgerSarns]

You want a twist? Cerberus isn't indoctrinated, Shepard and his entire crew are. You haven't been foiling Cerberus' plot to aid the Reapers, you've been preventing Cerberus from stoping them.

You're mind has just been blown.

Modifié par RidgerSarns, 19 juin 2011 - 01:34 .

[Foryou]

it's all a dream

[DonDaMon]

Harbinger : "shepard ., I are your Son "
Sheploo : ".....um what ? "
Harbinger : " LOLLL "


in all seriousness though i don't think we are going to figure it out, it's supposed to be a moment of utter disbelief.

[Kov]

Some of your companions has been indoctrinated from the start. If you don't discover and kill him/her, everything is doomed and the reapers win. It will probably be Garrus/Tali/Liara/Ashley/Kaidan/Vega.

Garrus and Tali because they join you only because "they want to save the Galaxy": you weren't looking for them (like in ME2), but suddenly a trained turian C-Sec decides that his life isn't cool enough and wants to help you stop Saren, the reapers tool; and a nice quarian girl you find by accident has just the information you were looking for... What a coincidence.
Liara: her mother was indoctrinated, but you find her safe and ready to help you. Also, she will be there in ME3, you can't have her killed.
Kaidan/Ashley: You trust them. One of them must be there in ME3, no way to avoid it.
Vega: We don't know his story so... Hypothesis: he somehow found Sovereign before Saren. He was left in the Alliance because Saren was more useful, now that both him and the collectors failed, the reapers decide trying to fool you with a traitor in your own crew. Also, any of the other options would cause FANRAGE (yup, in capital letters), at least if you can't save the indoctrinated companion.

[Richard Jenkins]

The Normandy SR 2 had reaper tech in it or someone was carrying it.

[huntrrz]

jamesp81 wrote...

Twist #4: The Council is indoctrinated.  Would not surprise me in the least, especially after "Ahh, yes, Reapers".

I think the council IS indoctrinated, but not in the usual way.  My theory is that the Citadel is a low-level indoctrination device designed to instill complacency and reinforce the natural desire to preserve the status-quo.  Anything more direct would cause people to notice how people 'change' once they've spent time on the Citadel, but this would further the Reapers' goals without raising suspicion.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I know exactly what will happen. Listen up children.

The reapers come in to invade the galaxy. But then, the sith lords come in to counter invade the galaxy, defeat the reapers, and then take over the galaxy. And shepard was a sith lord the entire time.

Hence, starting off KOTOR 3. Its a video game plot within a video game plot.

*Cue in Inception track*

[Guns]

Shepard is Indoctrinated and then the next 3 games you play as his kid who lives on the outskirts of a colony on a rural desert planet.

[sonofalich]

Captain Anderson said "No, Sheppard. You are the Reapers."
And then Sheppard was a pyjak.

[Emily11090]

Shepard is indocronated, but the Reapers are making him fight because its all a big counfusing conspiracy. Or maybe the Reapers are indoctronated by another species, and some Reapers escaped before they were indoctronated and they are trying to get Shepard to figure everything out and threatening the life of all organics was the only way to get Shepard off his ass.

[Wintermist]

Perhaps the "twist" is that you love interest is pregnant...