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[AngryFrozenWater]

Kronner wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

But having ShepLoo on it without FemShep didn't do that either. Ghehe.

Adding Shepboob (nice alternative to Sheploo, right?) on the cover won't attract new casual CoD crowd. That should be fairly obvious.

Hey! Don't use ShepLoo that way! I am proud that a Dutch actor was used for Shepard. I am Dutch, you know. *laughs* And you dreaming up ShepBoob. /me shivers. Naughty!

[Jebel Krong]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
But having ShepLoo on it without FemShep didn't do that either. Ghehe.

? are you saying ME1 sold more than ME2? i didn't think so - try not to be so flippant when you're wrong.

[Massadonious1]

She's on the CE, only. If people are honestly that perturbed by it then they can decide whether or not their "confusion" is worth losing out on all the extra content.

[SilentK]

Hmmm.... I have only played female Wardens, Hawkes and Shepards. Don't know why but I just don't click with the male chars. I enjoy watching my hubby play the male versions but I don't get into it myself. Before I played a lot of Tomb Raider, then hubby got DA:O. I had no idea you could play as a female warden but when I realised that Tomb Raider was soon forgotten and after that I got ME, ME2 and DA2 and I am now very much looking forward to ME3. Hmmm.... I might be a minority but the bioware games are the only ones where I actually have irl female friends who also plays them. I love to finally be able to see FemShep on the box, and I think that they should do something to show that you can play as a female char. It would have been really sad if I had missed that, for I have spent many many happy hours in ME and DA.

I have of course ordered the CE. Yay for FemShep on the box together with MaleShep  

Modifié par SilentK, 17 juin 2011 - 10:17 .

[AllThatJazz]

 Mass Effect is marketed as a role-playing game, or at least as a shooter with role-playing elements And character customisation is a popular feature of said role-playing games. Given that Mass Effect possesses this character customisation feature, it makes very little sense to me that it woudn't be marketed in order to maximise potential sales. 

No, being able to play as FemShep/JenShep/ShepHale/FemHale (*delete as appropriate) isn't the only draw in such a game, but it is, for me and several female friends, something that gives a game like Mass Effect more interest than a game like Halo, for example. 

Personally I don't see why Bio can't do two different regular editions, one for each gender. Games such as Black&White, Pokemon etc - same game in the box but slightly different covers, in this case one FemShep one Sheploo. Then everyone gets what they want and no poor blokes get all confused by the outrageous (outrageous I say!) picture of a woman, yes, goddammit, an actual WOMAN (the nerve of it) on the cover

And, also what Fiddles and Angry said. 

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 17 juin 2011 - 10:16 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
But having ShepLoo on it without FemShep didn't do that either. Ghehe.

? are you saying ME1 sold more than ME2? i didn't think so - try not to be so flippant when you're wrong.

Did I say that? Where? It didn't bring huge numbers to ME1, did it? Can you proof that it brought huge numbers to ME2? I just see ShepLoo on both. The growth appearantly didn't have to do with just that.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 17 juin 2011 - 10:15 .

[Flashlegend]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Flashlegend wrote...

That tiny fraction of audience would still = increase in sales. And I don't think by putting a female shepard on a cover beside sheploo would in any way harm sales even if didn't keep with continuity. As for that tomb raider analogy, it's a completely different scenario.

compared to the sales lost because casual buyers haven't got a clue what they are looking at?  sounds like a fair exchange to me... <_<

Flashlegend wrote...
The entire Tomb Raider IP is based entirely around lara croft and for that reason has been marketed that way. The Mass Effect franchise has always been about both John and Jane Shepard but until recently marketing has focused on John. My point is, having Jane share one cover(the collector's edition at that) with John isn't going to break sales and is most likely going to help them. The same is true for having a trailer for Jane. Bioware obviously believe this is true as well since their going through with this move. If they honestly believed that these actions would harm sales in anyway, then they obviously wouldn't do it even if meant some fans weren't pleased.

no the mass effect IP is based around shepard. not john and not jane. it is one character, just like lara croft. if they suddenly said as it's a re-boot "oh wait now you can play as x-male croft, but it's still the same character" who do you think they'd still use in the advertising? game-wise it wouldn't make any difference, and who knows maybe you'd get a few more sales from casual who don't like playing as women? yet the advertising would be consistent because of the iconic representation that everyone knows.

hell, no-one yet knows what femshep is going to even look like - if she's changed a lot from previous "jane" shep, everyone will just say: who's that, well it's not my femshep! so what's the point? BW have gone to all that trouble for nothing AND casual buyers who see this shep in a video/whatever will think "who's that"? too.

I still think your assumption of casuals being put off by a new female icon is wrong but whatever. Done arguing. Obviously Bioware has idiots working their marketing unit and ME3 sales will suffer terribly for it.

[Massadonious1]

Well, they'll still have Sheploo and his "Look at my omni-blade, my omni-blade is AMAZING" pose on the SE cover.

And if that somehow still puts them off, then it was probably never about familiarity or confusion in the first place.

[Captain Crash]

ahhh sounds like another person is upset Sheploo isnt the sole focus of all the attention anymore and is attempting to derail great news for many of us.  


Lets put it this way. Bioware is a business. If they thought it would hurt the brand image of Mass Effect they wouldn't do it. That fact is theres been three media articles all positive in a very short space of time. This proves that so far marketing her is going well and there been great fan reception to the news. Sorry your in the minority that dont agree.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 17 juin 2011 - 10:26 .

[Jebel Krong]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
But having ShepLoo on it without FemShep didn't do that either. Ghehe.

? are you saying ME1 sold more than ME2? i didn't think so - try not to be so flippant when you're wrong.

Did I say that? Where? It didn't bring huge numbers to ME1, did it? Can you proof that it brought huge numbers to ME2? I just see ShepLoo on both. The growth appearantly didn't have to do with just that.

ME1 was the launch of the franchise - it's a baseline number. growth/sales of the sequel have more to deal with than who's on the box (though in ME2's standard edition case might not have done it any favours) so of course there aren't metric stats available, but you don't think advertising/brand recognition/development is a multi-billion pound enterprise because it doesn't matter, do you? really? - quick - you'd better tell BW to fire their design dept because they aren't needed, and they could save some money!  

Flashlegend wrote...
I still think your assumption of casuals being put off by a new female icon is wrong but whatever. Done arguing. Obviously Bioware has idiots working their marketing unit and ME3 sales will suffer terribly for it.

no, but i do think that people like mr. silverman are playing a dangerous game with the identity of the franchise and their perceived "cowing" to the feminist agenda is troubling, to say the least.

and with that, i've dealt with enough stupidity for one day.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 17 juin 2011 - 10:29 .

[Captain Crash]

Oops I stand corrected.   Four articles now  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]



http://www.eurogamer...as-lady-shepard

[Massadonious1]

Jebel Krong wrote...
and with that, i've dealt with enough stupidity for one day.

You have a mirror next to your computer?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

[AllThatJazz]

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
But having ShepLoo on it without FemShep didn't do that either. Ghehe.

? are you saying ME1 sold more than ME2? i didn't think so - try not to be so flippant when you're wrong.

Did I say that? Where? It didn't bring huge numbers to ME1, did it? Can you proof that it brought huge numbers to ME2? I just see ShepLoo on both. The growth appearantly didn't have to do with just that.

ME1 was the launch of the franchise - it's a baseline number. growth/sales of the sequel have more to deal with than who's on the box (though in ME2's standard edition case might not have done it any favours) so of course there aren't metric stats available, but you don't think advertising/brand recognition/development is a multi-billion pound enterprise because it doesn't matter, do you? really? - quick - you'd better tell BW to fire their design dept because they aren't needed, and they could save some money!  

Flashlegend wrote...
I still think your assumption of casuals being put off by a new female icon is wrong but whatever. Done arguing. Obviously Bioware has idiots working their marketing unit and ME3 sales will suffer terribly for it.

no, but i do think that people like mr. silverman are playing a dangerous game with the identity of the franchise and their perceived "cowing" to the feminist agenda is troubling, to say the least.

and with that, i've dealt with enough stupidity for one day.

Hang on. 'Cowing to a feminist agenda'? Really? Just by putting a picture of an already playable character on the box?! I could maybe, maybe understand this line of thinking if only Sheploo had been playable for the first two games and then in ME3 they suddenly introduce a playable female Shepard. But that isn't the case, is it? Putting the other playable character on the box art is no more 'cowing to a feminist agenda' than not doing so is 'cowing to the easily confused and brittle-ego'd male'. Humph.

[Captain Crash]

Jebel Krong wrote...


no, but i do think that people like mr. silverman are playing a dangerous game with the identity of the franchise and their perceived "cowing" to the feminist agenda is troubling, to say the least.

Your Opinion!

As my last post stated if Bioware thought it would hurt the brand image they wouldnt do it.


Seriously dont you have anything better to do then derail this thread with theories that only you seem to support and adhere to?  If Bioware believed the same as you then as said they wouldnt do it.  Its starting to get a bit childish now you repeating yourself and constantly trying to force your own agenda clearly not many believe or support.  Especially when your purposely trying to cause an arguement with people who are happy with this news.

[marshalleck]

Jebel Krong wrote...

no, but i do think that people like mr. silverman are playing a dangerous game with the identity of the franchise and their perceived "cowing" to the feminist agenda is troubling, to say the least.

and with that, i've dealt with enough stupidity for one day.

Dangerous game? Feminist agenda?

That's hilarious. 

Oh wait...were you being serious?

[Flashlegend]

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
But having ShepLoo on it without FemShep didn't do that either. Ghehe.

? are you saying ME1 sold more than ME2? i didn't think so - try not to be so flippant when you're wrong.

Did I say that? Where? It didn't bring huge numbers to ME1, did it? Can you proof that it brought huge numbers to ME2? I just see ShepLoo on both. The growth appearantly didn't have to do with just that.

ME1 was the launch of the franchise - it's a baseline number. growth/sales of the sequel have more to deal with than who's on the box (though in ME2's standard edition case might not have done it any favours) so of course there aren't metric stats available, but you don't think advertising/brand recognition/development is a multi-billion pound enterprise because it doesn't matter, do you? really? - quick - you'd better tell BW to fire their design dept because they aren't needed, and they could save some money!  

Flashlegend wrote...
I still think your assumption of casuals being put off by a new female icon is wrong but whatever. Done arguing. Obviously Bioware has idiots working their marketing unit and ME3 sales will suffer terribly for it.

no, but i do think that people like mr. silverman are playing a dangerous game with the identity of the franchise and their perceived "cowing" to the feminist agenda is troubling, to say the least.

and with that, i've dealt with enough stupidity for one day.

I don't think I'm the stupid one pal.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

In all honesty though... and this is a serious question - how does having a Female Shepard alongside a Male Shepard on the Collector's Edition Box, damage the integrity and strength of the Mass Effect brand/identity?

Because that is what is being claimed.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 17 juin 2011 - 10:39 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

But having ShepLoo on it without FemShep didn't do that either. Ghehe.

? are you saying ME1 sold more than ME2? i didn't think so - try not to be so flippant when you're wrong.

Did I say that? Where? It didn't bring huge numbers to ME1, did it? Can you proof that it brought huge numbers to ME2? I just see ShepLoo on both. The growth appearantly didn't have to do with just that.

ME1 was the launch of the franchise - it's a baseline number. growth/sales of the sequel have more to deal with than who's on the box (though in ME2's standard edition case might not have done it any favours) so of course there aren't metric stats available, but you don't think advertising/brand recognition/development is a multi-billion pound enterprise because it doesn't matter, do you? really? - quick - you'd better tell BW to fire their design dept because they aren't needed, and they could save some money!  

There's no need to be rude. You are trying to put things in my mouth everytime you respond to me. Let me know when you have calmed down.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 17 juin 2011 - 10:46 .

[Flashlegend]

mrcrusty wrote...

In all honesty though... and this is a serious question - how does having a Female Shepard alongside a Male Shepard on the Collector's Edition Box, damage the integrity and strength of the Mass Effect brand/identity?

Because that is what is being claimed.

Herp Derp its confusing!!!

[Tilarta]

Favoring a FemShep only (I do not have a maleshep), I'm quite sad at times that the FemShep side of the story is minimilized.

From my point of view, when FemShep delivers a scary line, I feel the danger in every word, but MaleShep doesn't install that same sense of presence in me.

So, finally getting FemShep some credit is much appreciated.

[f1r3storm]

Captain Crash wrote...

Oops I stand corrected.   Four articles now  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]



http://www.eurogamer...as-lady-shepard

Make that one more:

http://www.eurogamer...-aufmerksamkeit

Modifié par f1r3storm, 17 juin 2011 - 10:43 .

[Aimi]

 It doesn't really count if it's just a translation of one of the other articles. 

[snfonseka]

This is what you call marketing... If you want FemShep in the box art, then buy the collector's edition.