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[CroGamer002]

Though FemShep should be on standard edition in front cover along side with Sheploo.

It would be fair.
I really don't see why some people don't like that.

Modifié par Mesina2, 17 juin 2011 - 07:02 .

[thepayne78]

Eurhetemec wrote...

Niniva wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

FemShep gets to be on the cover of the CE, which only returning fans would buy. And she's only on the back cover. Your standard edition is safe from her womanly clutches.

She finally gets ONE trailer after 6 years of Sheploo advertising and marketing and some people are pissing stones. Oh noes! The wimmenz are taking over! The amount of selfishness some people are displaying in this thread is baffling.

LoL, i was thinking the same thing.

there are a few people on this forum who see it as a threat to thier masculinity or something for the female shepard to be on the.. back cover.

the insecurity is hilairious.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing how scared and upset some people seem at this idea. I mean, seriously guys, FemShep isn't going to boot down the door of your house with a pair of boltcutters and a nasty grin on her face (+28 Renegade!). Your imaginary girlfriends will not leave you because you bought a game with a girl on the box. What's the problem lol?

 
Nah my imaginary girlfriend left me because I did not spend enough time with her. I mean who has the time to imagine? Joking aside hopefully the next time Bioware does a triology similar to ME were you play the same character through all 3 games, they will use both male and female versions equally in terms of marketing.

Modifié par thepayne78, 17 juin 2011 - 07:03 .

[Destr1er]

It's human nature. They fear change, and what they fear they wish to destroy.
Jokes aside, you have to remember that a healthy percentage of ME players play on consoles. They will probably be confused about the new squadmate that they cannot recruit. (FemShep)

[Minty-Fresh]

Isn't there a femshep trailer coming? From wat I read on it BioWare is still on the fence on what the "canon" femshep is, which make me think well see a new default femshep in ME3. And I play as the default femshep, to me that is Shepard.

according to te Escapist, at least.

They also say she isnt canon.

They lie.

[Flashlegend]

Minty-Fresh wrote...

Isn't there a femshep trailer coming? From wat I read on it BioWare is still on the fence on what the "canon" femshep is, which make me think well see a new default femshep in ME3. And I play as the default femshep, to me that is Shepard.

according to te Escapist, at least.

They also say she isnt canon.

They lie.

I think default is a better word. Technically, there is no canon.

[CroGamer002]

Flashlegend wrote...

Minty-Fresh wrote...

Isn't there a femshep trailer coming? From wat I read on it BioWare is still on the fence on what the "canon" femshep is, which make me think well see a new default femshep in ME3. And I play as the default femshep, to me that is Shepard.

according to te Escapist, at least.

They also say she isnt canon.

They lie.

I think default is a better word. Technically, there is no canon.

Well default is the word.

Bioware never said there's a canon Shepard bu one that player chooses.
I really have no idea why some press still insist calling Sheploo to be canon Shepard.

[sagefic]

There seems to be a lot of confusion about what "canon" means and what "default" means.

In my understanding, in a story, "canon" is what the writers set down. As the writers have made it possible for Shepard to be a man or a woman, to have a unique look, to be paragon or renegade or any shade inbetween, to romance many different persons, etc., the "canon" is pretty broad. Shepard could even be dead now, if he/she failed the suicide mission.

Canonically, Shepard is a Spectre, stopped Saren and Sovereign, lost at least one crew member on Virmire, was brought back to life by Cerberus, and went to go fight the Collectors on their behalf. That's about all that is true for ALL Shepards. 

Now, with the DEFAULT, that is, with the setting that the game starts with if you don't choose differently... well, actually even THERE you have to purposefully pick a man. But by default, Shepard is Sheploo, Earthborn Sole Survivor, let the council die, chose to save ashley, etc. etc. What the default decisions for ME3 are are yet to be seen.

So yeah, getting picky there for a moment, but it's good to be clear. The default is canon, but there is much in the canon that is not default.

By *default,* if you follow the 'quick play' button all the way through the character creator, you'll get Sheploo. He is default. He is also canon, but so is any other choice you happen to make within the game - because you're following what was written, and therefore, following canon.

Modifié par sagequeen, 17 juin 2011 - 07:23 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Default Shepard is a male Soldier named John, with the Earthborn-Sole Survivor background and Mark Vanderloo's face. That's just it. He's not canonical, but he IS the default.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 17 juin 2011 - 07:23 .

[Minty-Fresh]

I never said there was canon, thats why I put it in quotations

"canon"

canon

see the difference?

[Eternal Dust]

Destr1er wrote...

It's human nature. They fear change, and what they fear they wish to destroy.
Jokes aside, you have to remember that a healthy percentage of ME players play on consoles. They will probably be confused about the new squadmate that they cannot recruit. (FemShep)

You don't recruit FemShep. You assimilate to her awesomeness.

[adneate]

Minty-Fresh wrote...
see the difference?

Nope. Unless putting quotation marks around the word canon makes it default, but I don't remember a rule like that from English class.

[Omega Torsk]

Alpha revan wrote...

I do not want her on my collectors edition..... I can't see Shep being anything other than a male. Sorry.

Chalk up yet another on the list of "I don't want <insert nitpicky complaint here> in my (because, as we all know, the game as a franchise belongs to one person, right? It's not like it's owned by Bioware and shared by the players) game."

Edit: If you don't appreciate Femshep, fine, but don't be opposed to something because you're under the impression that the Mass Effect universe is meant to please only you. You don't own the game. I don't own the game. Bioware owns the game. They distribute it and we experience it. They have the final say and Bioware is going to have Femshep on the cover. That's they're decision to make and I'm personally glad they made it.

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 17 juin 2011 - 07:42 .

[elearon1]

adneate wrote...

Nope. Unless putting quotation marks around the word canon makes it default, but I don't remember a rule like that from English class. 

Actually, it does change the connotation of the word.  When you put quotes around a word in a situation like the above you are effectively saying, "the so called X (in this case, canon)".  

[Fiery Phoenix]

Wynne wrote...

A vote for FemShep is a vote for diversity and roleplaying.

Gamers should know that the ME series provides options. It's not a lame Gears of War knockoff with some big tough bald guy like all the other big tough bald guys out there. That needs to be known--and yeah, we know it, but does everyone? Somehow, I doubt the person who's never heard of ME who sees Sheploo is going to go, "Oh, wow, I bet that game's a really unique experience!" Quite frankly, it wasn't him on the cover that drew me. It was the aliens, the girl in the space suit, and the planets that interested me. And it being a Bioware game, of course--but not everyone has played a Bioware game before. Not everyone who would love an RPG like this has played one.

Part of ME's charm is that it gives you more options. You can say, "forget the Dutch model dude, my Shepard is going to be a black man." You can say, "Male heroes are everywhere. This is what century? I'll take a heroine instead." The game is a different experience based on whether you're male or female. I view Shepard in subtly different ways based on the performances of Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer. And frankly, I love that.

They should market that, period. Maybe expanding on on the whole "Sheploo is the face of ME" thing, rather than clinging to him alone like he's some sort of religion that must never be violated by ever implying that you can play the game without him, will draw the attention of people who like the idea of variety and cinematics rather than just the same exact shooter formula we've all played dozens of times before. Maybe it will distinguish and deepen the game in the minds of newcomers rather than make them scratch their heads like hairless apes.

I really don't think the average gamer is too stupid to understand the concept that there's a default but you can make your own. Somehow, that doesn't strike me as the sort of thing you need to go to college for.

Long live Jane Shepard, and Ugly Shepard for that matter. They make the ME universe a better place, and they make the game so much more fun for the individual.

Quoting this for emphasis.

[ReinaHW]

Much of the responses from the males who are against female Shepard smacks of insecurity and the fear that they'e parts are going to shivel up and drop off if a woman shares cover space, is playable, isn't their conquest to pester and doesn't worship their manly insecurites.

It's long over due that the Female Shepard, and Hale herself, got recognition. She does an excellent job with the voice for female Shepard.
Male leads are always forced down the throat with the same tired outdated notion that gaming is a male only thing, when it isn't.

Not everyone wants to play as male, male leads are more often than not bland and stereotypical. The option to play as female should be in games more often and should be promoted, letting the player know they have a choice can only boost sales, not damage them.

I've pre-ordered the CE version, hope it's worth the price asked.

And it's high time that the playable female characters in games with gender choice were recognised and promoted, if that's a threat to insecure males then so be it, it's a step in the right direction for improving the industry at last.

[elearon1]

ReinaHW wrote...

Not everyone wants to play as male, male leads are more often than not bland and stereotypical. The option to play as female should be in games more often and should be promoted, letting the player know they have a choice can only boost sales, not damage them.

I stopped playing male characters back in the days of sega fighting games, because female characters never got enough attention. (I don't recall there being any girls in nintendo fighting games, though I think you could play the princess in Mario 2 - if memory serves - and I did.)  Initially it was just a protest thing, but eventually I realized that I simply enjoyed playing female characters more - it is a fresh and enjoyable perspective in games.  

I hope, that in your comments about "all those insecure males", you're recognizing that there were also quite a few males defending the issue as well ... I'd hate to think we were all getting written off with a blanket handwave. 

[thepayne78]

ReinaHW wrote...

Much of the responses from the males who are against female Shepard smacks of insecurity and the fear that they'e parts are going to shivel up and drop off if a woman shares cover space, is playable, isn't their conquest to pester and doesn't worship their manly insecurites.

It's long over due that the Female Shepard, and Hale herself, got recognition. She does an excellent job with the voice for female Shepard.
Male leads are always forced down the throat with the same tired outdated notion that gaming is a male only thing, when it isn't.

Not everyone wants to play as male, male leads are more often than not bland and stereotypical. The option to play as female should be in games more often and should be promoted, letting the player know they have a choice can only boost sales, not damage them.

I've pre-ordered the CE version, hope it's worth the price asked.

And it's high time that the playable female characters in games with gender choice were recognised and promoted, if that's a threat to insecure males then so be it, it's a step in the right direction for improving the industry at last.

You eloquently said what I was thinking but was not sure how to put down into post form.  Even as male gamer I am tired of seeing almost nothing but male heroes as well.  That is why when they came out I bought games like MIrror's Edge,Wet, and Venetica. 

Hopefully in the furture we will see more examples in different game genres where  a female is the lead player character.

[Destr1er]

I've found that a lot of guys who play female characters in video games are very lonely, and are attracted to poorly rendered sprites, pixels, and now actually decent portrayals of females.
Not taking a shot at anyone here, that's just what I've observed at other people's houses, and in the dorm environment back in the day.

Honestly, there is very little insecurity involved in the backlash.
People are just used to the default male Shepard, and they don't see a reason to add a female Shep on the cover.
You don't need to be threatened to not see the sense in something. Some people just don't like change.

Personally, I could care less about who's on the cover, or in the trailers as long as the game is good.I can always create my own Shepard anyways.

[Minty-Fresh]

adneate wrote...

Minty-Fresh wrote...
see the difference?

Nope. Unless putting quotation marks around the word canon makes it default, but I don't remember a rule like that from English class.

Ok, how does tis work?

Ah yes, "canon" we've dismissed that claim.

[elearon1]

Destr1er wrote...

I've found that a lot of guys who play female characters in video games are very lonely, and are attracted to poorly rendered sprites, pixels, and now actually decent portrayals of females.
Not taking a shot at anyone here, that's just what I've observed at other people's houses, and in the dorm environment back in the day.

Yes, we have disproved this theory.  

Seriously, it has come up in dozens of threads and been shot down dozens of times.  That and the, "men who play female characters are closet gays" "argument".   

[Destr1er]

@elearon1
Be thankful that you haven't walked in on a guy abusing himself to Night Elves dancing in WoW, or the female characters breast-jiggle in late '90's, early '00s console fighting games.

Some things you just can't unsee.

Modifié par Destr1er, 17 juin 2011 - 08:21 .

[Minty-Fresh]

elearon1 wrote...

Destr1er wrote...

I've found that a lot of guys who play female characters in video games are very lonely, and are attracted to poorly rendered sprites, pixels, and now actually decent portrayals of females.
Not taking a shot at anyone here, that's just what I've observed at other people's houses, and in the dorm environment back in the day.

Yes, we have disproved this theory.  

Seriously, it has come up in dozens of threads and been shot down dozens of times.  That and the, "men who play female characters are closet gays" "argument".   

Agreed, I'm straight as an arrow and I play femshep for her voice work and character not cause I want to be a female.

Now, lets move one from this argument before we cause a flame war and getl the almighty Priestley's attention.

[elearon1]

lightsnow13 wrote...
 Perhaps including femshep on the cover, more girls would think "I thought this was a male game, perhaps not?" lol.

You laugh at this, but on one of the forums I frequent, a number of women had not even bothered looking into DA2 because there was only a Male Hawk advertised and only later picked up the game after an article on the site mentioned they could play female characters.  Obviously these were not people closely following the game ... but these are female gamers who are looking at the boxes on the shelf at the local store and making purchase decisions based upon the art.  If the commonly held belief that only a small fraction of would be purchasers actually bother looking up a game online first is true, then quite a few sales are being decided by the box art's ability to attract consumers ... and the pure male image is turning a percentage of those potential sales away. 

[Eurhetemec]

Minty-Fresh wrote...

Isn't there a femshep trailer coming? From wat I read on it BioWare is still on the fence on what the "canon" femshep is, which make me think well see a new default femshep in ME3. And I play as the default femshep, to me that is Shepard.

according to te Escapist, at least.

They also say she isnt canon.

They lie.

Over in another thread, Chris Priestley just said that he believes that the trailer FemShep will be based on Default FemShep, which pleases me, of course, because I use her too.

I think they're "still working on her look" in the sense that they were "still working on Morrigan's look" up until DA:O came out - you can see from the Blur trailer for DA:O and I believe from earlier screenshots that she once had somewhat different facial features. If Chris is right though (and bear in mind he swore blind they wouldn't let you disable helm graphics in DA2, so he's not always right), I expect they're just trying to decide on her exact facial features (because the current FemShep is too low-poly to really use as a trailer-model).