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[cactusberry]

Because OBVIOUSLY games can't be multigender, there's only one focused gender y'know.
Hurhurr.
FemShep was never a "secondary character". She has the same lines as Sheploo, the same actions as Sheploo, and the same choices as Sheploo. She's just a gender choice. No matter male or female, Shepard is the main character of Mass Effect.

Edited for typos.

Modifié par TheDarkRats, 18 juin 2011 - 04:34 .

[Sora Shepard]

 I would be surprised if no one has posted this article yet, but it is rather interesting:

Today's video gamer: it might not be who you think (CNN)

"According to ESA's statistics, the average video-game player last year was 37 years old (like Sharp [a female gamer profiled at the beginning of the story]). That's up from 30 in 2004. Forty-two percent of players were women."

OK, granted, this article conflates "hard core" games like Mass Effect and "casual" games like Angry Birds, but the idea is that the market is much broader than most people realize.  I was particularly surprised by the average age of gamers, but I guess I shouldn't be -- I'm 38 and my generation was the first to grow up with console video games.  I remember Pong, and the Atari 2600, and Intellivision, and all that good stuff. 

Now, neither my husband nor I plays enough to consider video games to be a "hobby," but we do own an xBox and a lot of games.  Of all the games we own, I play exactly two franchises: Fallout and Mass Effect.  What do they have in common? Hmmm, you can customize your character, make choices, and play as a female protagonist who totally kicks ass.  I have logged WAY more hours playing these two franchises than my husband has. When it comes to Mass Effect, I am the one who keeps track of game news and gives enough of a crap to spend time reading an online social forum devoted to the game.  I watched all the E3 demos and videos.  I'm the one who buys all the DLCs.  I was planning to pre-order the CE before I heard about the cover.  

Bioware should want more fans like me.  There are a lot of us out there, a vast uncharted market.  It would be silly to ignore half of the human population when marketing any product, especially when it is so damn simple and the product is so attractive to that half of the population.  I bought Fallout 3 for my husband, and only discovered after the fact that I could play as a woman.  I made sure to buy New Vegas when it came out.  My husband bought Mass Effect 2 as an afterthought at Costco, and I only discovered after the fact that I could play as a woman -- after which my husband could barely get the controller out of my hands, and I went out and bought the first Mass Effect so I could play from the beginning.  If I don't have ME3 the very day it comes out or soon thereafter I'll be very unhappy.

Why not make this game feature -- the ability to play as my own gender -- more widely known?  When I go to the store and look for new games to buy, it is usually impossible to tell from the package whether you can play as a female character, even if you read the description of the game and don't just look at pictures.

Lest you think I'm a one-trick pony, I did just start my first ManShep playthrough to experience a different version of the game.  I think Mark Meer's renegade delivery is way funnier, and want to see how Ashley reacts in ME3 when she finds out that I moved on to Jack in the second game.

Modifié par Sora Shepard, 18 juin 2011 - 04:39 .

[marshalleck]

FemShep was used in gameplay demos of the original Mass Effect a couple years ago, circa 2007ish. I tried digging up some clips on youtube but they're long gone or buried by now.

edit: actually, that was easy! http://masseffect.bi...lery/index.html

She's in gameplay videos 1, 3, and 4.

class videos: sentinel, adept.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 juin 2011 - 04:48 .

[CrimsonNephilim]

Sora Shepard wrote...

 I would be surprised if no one has posted this article yet, but it is rather interesting:

Today's video gamer: it might not be who you think (CNN)

"According to ESA's statistics, the average video-game player last year was 37 years old (like Sharp [a female gamer profiled at the beginning of the story]). That's up from 30 in 2004. Forty-two percent of players were women."

OK, granted, this article conflates "hard core" games like Mass Effect and "casual" games like Angry Birds, but the idea is that the market is much broader than most people realize.  I was particularly surprised by the average age of gamers, but I guess I shouldn't be -- I'm 38 and my generation was the first to grow up with console video games.  I remember Pong, and the Atari 2600, and Intellivision, and all that good stuff. 

Now, neither my husband nor I plays enough to consider video games to be a "hobby," but we do own an xBox and a lot of games.  Of all the games we own, I play exactly two franchises: Fallout and Mass Effect.  What do they have in common? Hmmm, you can customize your character, make choices, and play as a female protagonist who totally kicks ass.  I have logged WAY more hours playing these two franchises than my husband has. When it comes to Mass Effect, I am the one who keeps track of game news and gives enough of a crap to spend time reading an online social forum devoted to the game.  I watched all the E3 demos and videos.  I'm the one who buys all the DLCs.  I was planning to pre-order the CE before I heard about the cover.  

Bioware should want more fans like me.  There are a lot of us out there, a vast uncharted market.  It would be silly to ignore half of the human population when marketing any product, especially when it is so damn simple and the product is so attractive to that half of the population.  I bought Fallout 3 for my husband, and only discovered after the fact that I could play as a woman.  I made sure to buy New Vegas when it came out.  My husband bought Mass Effect 2 as an afterthought at Costco, and I only discovered after the fact that I could play as a woman -- after which my husband could barely get the controller out of my hands, and I went out and bought the first Mass Effect so I could play from the beginning.  If I don't have ME3 the very day it comes out or soon thereafter I'll be very unhappy.

Why not make this game feature -- the ability to play as my own gender -- more widely known?  When I go to the store and look for new games to buy, it is usually impossible to tell from the package whether you can play as a female character, even if you read the description of the game and don't just look at pictures.

Lest you think I'm a one-trick pony, I did just start my first ManShep playthrough to experience a different version of the game.  I think Mark Meer's renegade delivery is way funnier, and want to see how Ashley reacts in ME3 when she finds out that I moved on to Jack in the second game.

:wizard::wizard:

[CrimsonNephilim]

_Nev4r wrote...

They have to make Femshep a lot cuter or beautiful.

There is a twitter post on Hudson's I think that said they are working on the look at the moment, but its most likely going to be default Femshep with a few tweaks.

[marshalleck]

They mentioned red hair and green eyes being popular feedback, which is what the default femShep has. As for tweaking I'm assuming they're putting together some higher res textures so she doesn't look so plastic, like all the other custom Sheps.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 juin 2011 - 05:00 .

[CrimsonNephilim]

No mention on specifics on what they are doing for the look

Modifié par CrimsonNephilim, 18 juin 2011 - 05:17 .

[LoudYankeeMike]

Fem Shep needs to get back in the kitchen and make the real shepard a sandwich.

[cactusberry]

LoudYankeeMike wrote...

Fem Shep needs to get back in the kitchen and make the real shepard a sandwich.

Sheploo needs to get back outside and keep mowing the lawn.

[LoudYankeeMike]

TheDarkRats wrote...

LoudYankeeMike wrote...

Fem Shep needs to get back in the kitchen and make the real shepard a sandwich.

Sheploo needs to get back outside and keep mowing the lawn.

ah Touché

[MDisindahouse2]

LoudYankeeMike wrote...

Fem Shep needs to get back in the kitchen and make the real shepard a sandwich.

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[ShepardVI]

MDisindahouse2 wrote...

LoudYankeeMike wrote...

Fem Shep needs to get back in the kitchen and make the real shepard a sandwich.

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Sexist much? No not this,Ya'll need to learn that its your choice,Not many players knew you could be a female until they beaten the first Mass effect,Bioware should be damn happy their promoting more female shepard,That might bring in more sales for female gamers. Now you don't need to be sexist about it. Its your shepard,There is NO Real shepard Like bioware says,Its your choice,there is no canon shepard. Now shut up with your sexism. Bai.

[Maderek]

ShepardVI wrote...

MDisindahouse2 wrote...

LoudYankeeMike wrote...

Fem Shep needs to get back in the kitchen and make the real shepard a sandwich.

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Sexist much? No not this,Ya'll need to learn that its your choice,Not many players knew you could be a female until they beaten the first Mass effect,Bioware should be damn happy their promoting more female shepard,That might bring in more sales for female gamers. Now you don't need to be sexist about it. Its your shepard,There is NO Real shepard Like bioware says,Its your choice,there is no canon shepard. Now shut up with your sexism. Bai.

There is a real Shepard, and he's a man!

[DarthSliver]

This maleshep vs femshep argument is petty to the least. I mean femshep isnt getting that much time compared to maleshep. She is only in a trailer from what i know and on the back of the Metal case in the collectors edition. The artbook we get in it has Maleshep on it, Maleshep is on the front of the Metal Case. I mean this argument shouldve ended pages ago, amazes me that its still going on.

I thought some of things i complained about in games was petty, but this tops the cake.

Oh and female option has been in every Bioware game I have played. Knights of the Old Republic, Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2, and I am pretty sure it was in Baldurs Gate games they made. Bioware thrives on making the female option and giving female gamers a place in gaming, its good they are finally showing that in advertising the game. I only expect more femshep trailers if this one gets good feedback.

[ShepardVI]

Maderek wrote...

ShepardVI wrote...

MDisindahouse2 wrote...

LoudYankeeMike wrote...

Fem Shep needs to get back in the kitchen and make the real shepard a sandwich.

^
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I   This

Sexist much? No not this,Ya'll need to learn that its your choice,Not many players knew you could be a female until they beaten the first Mass effect,Bioware should be damn happy their promoting more female shepard,That might bring in more sales for female gamers. Now you don't need to be sexist about it. Its your shepard,There is NO Real shepard Like bioware says,Its your choice,there is no canon shepard. Now shut up with your sexism. Bai.

There is a real Shepard, and he's a man!

There is no canon shepard,Damn how old are you? Lol,Even Bioware said there is no canon shepard.

[Manic Sheep]

ShepardVI wrote...

Maderek wrote...

ShepardVI wrote...

MDisindahouse2 wrote...

LoudYankeeMike wrote...

Fem Shep needs to get back in the kitchen and make the real shepard a sandwich.

^
I
I
I
I   This

Sexist much? No not this,Ya'll need to learn that its your choice,Not many players knew you could be a female until they beaten the first Mass effect,Bioware should be damn happy their promoting more female shepard,That might bring in more sales for female gamers. Now you don't need to be sexist about it. Its your shepard,There is NO Real shepard Like bioware says,Its your choice,there is no canon shepard. Now shut up with your sexism. Bai.

There is a real Shepard, and he's a man!

There is no canon shepard,Damn how old are you? Lol,Even Bioware said there is no canon shepard.

They are probably just **** stirring to get a rise out of people. There is no point arguing with them, just leave it be.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 18 juin 2011 - 06:27 .

[CrimsonNephilim]

This topic went from celebrating the female version of Commander Shepard in a trailer and being on the collector's edition with Sheploo, to an argument of gender roles and stereotyping pages ago. I'm surprised it hasn't been locked yet.

[shepskisaac]

How much can we bet default FemShep's gonna get Miranda'fied?

[ForumPortal]

IsaacShep wrote...

How much can we bet default FemShep's gonna get Miranda'fied?

zero. They're still keeping the same default FemShep

[shepskisaac]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

How much can we bet default FemShep's gonna get Miranda'fied?

Nah they have enough catsuits already

There's no such thing