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[marshalleck]

greed89 wrote...

Notice i said And/OR int he post you are refrencing;)

and iam nto gneralizing, liek i said there is a clear pattern of behavior

You are generalizing when you say "such-and-such group of people exhibit such-and-such behavior."

You're generalizing poorly when the person you're talking to exhibits none of those behaviors, while self-identifying as a member of the group in question. 

Just stop saying "femshep fans" and start saying "some femshep fans" or "some very shrill femshep fans" and it will be fine.

"FemShep fans" is an all-encompassing term. "Some FemShep fans" is not.

I assure you, we're not a hive mind. Not really. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 juin 2011 - 08:09 .

[Therefore_I_Am]

You see, with marketing, the individual fan does not matter. Only the majority does.
Sheploo will always be first in line, in front of all the customized male sheps, while default femshep and the customized femsheps will always be second rate.

My point is it would make no sense putting femshep on the ME cover now; they should have done that in the beginning with ME1... But from a marketting standpoint they put sheploo, and just sheploo, on the cover, so they can sell to the male majority...

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 16 juin 2011 - 08:14 .

[marshalleck]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

You see, with marketing, the individual fan does not matter. Only the majority does.
Sheploo will always be first in line, in front of all the customized male sheps, while default femshep and the customized femsheps will always be second rate.

My point is it would make no sense putting femshep on the ME cover now; they should have done that in the beginning with ME1... But from a marketting standpoint they put sheploo, and just sheploo, on the cover, so they can sell to the male majority...

You apparently don't even know the details of what you're attempting to argue. FemShep is sharing the cover of the Collector's Edition only, with male Shep. She is not on the cover of the standard retail. 

And before you invoke the "confused casuals" point; the Collector's edition is $80. Casual gamers are unlikely to shell out $80 for a game they're either unfamiliar with, or don't know if they'll like. They will likely be drawn to the standard edition instead.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 juin 2011 - 08:15 .

[Druss99]

I hope they give her bikini armour.

[JamieCOTC]

greed89 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

greed89 wrote...
Your one person

Iam speaking of the majority and/Or at the verry least a large hand full

How do you know the people who post in 100+ page threads about some random FemShep thread represent a majority of FemShep fans? The games have each sold at the very least 2 million copies each by now, so I think we can say there are probably at least 2 million people who have played Mass Effect. Where are you drawing your demographic/statistical data from to make these claims about the "majority" of FemShep fans?

A few persisten malcontents on these forums are all it takes to drive a thread to 100+ pages, as people with opposing opinions flock to them and post repeatedly in an attempt to shout them down.  Hell, somestimes all it takes are individuals--look at smudboy, and Sylvius the Mad for example. The fact that a thread may spawn over a hundred pages says nothing about majority opinion, or lack thereof.

Then its a Verry Vocal Handfull like i said

The Kestral Armor info was relased, bunch of people got their knicker s in a twist cause there  wasnt  a picture of femshep

some starts a thread about  music videos firs tpage theres some one complaining about Femshep

these are pattenrs of behavior that repeat themselves, maybe you persoanly are not responsible but that dosent excuse the actions of others

Some fans get a little vocal, but like I just said, default manShep gets the spotlight 100% of the time.  femShep gets nothing.  The vast majority of femShep fans understand that's the way the system works.  But you have to understand that in fandom, when fans latch onto a character, or whathaveyou, that gets little to no spotlight they will become vocal.  It's just the nature of the beast. It's a little like immovable object meets unstoppable force.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 16 juin 2011 - 08:19 .

[charmingcharlie]

we're not a hive mind. Not really. 



hm not sure why I repeated that .  I really do not know why people are kicking up a fuss about this.  It is the final game and Bioware just want to chuck out a bit of recognition to femshep and the excellent job that Jennifer Hale did but apparently that is just too much.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 16 juin 2011 - 08:14 .

[greed89]

marshalleck wrote...

greed89 wrote...

Notice i said And/OR int he post you are refrencing;)

and iam nto gneralizing, liek i said there is a clear pattern of behavior

You are generalizing when you say "such-and-such group of people exhibit such-and-such behavior."

You're generalizing poorly when the person you're talking to exhibits none of those behaviors, while self-identifying as a member of the group in question. 

Just stop saying "femshep fans" and start saying "some femshep fans" or "some very shrill femshep fans" and it will be fine.

"FemShep fans" is an all-encompassing term. "Some FemShep fans" is not.

I assure you, we're not a hive mind. Not really. 

I Am not gonan Discount  the Actions of a Group Because a few indviduals point to them selves and say "well i dont do that"

[marshalleck]

greed89 wrote...
 I Am not gonan Discount  the Actions of a Group Because a few indviduals point to them selves and say "well i dont do that" 

You're welcome to keep making poorly drawn conclusions and hasty generalizations if you like, it is your right. Don't expect people to take you seriously, or respect your opinions however.

[Jedi warden]

Default Male Shepard was always an icon in mass effect series always on the cover always in trailers nobody seems too be angry about it before why change it now

[Captain Crash]

charmingcharlie wrote...

we're not a hive mind. Not really. 

Indeed, I learnt that when I had the best intentions

I made the mistake once of posting a thread saying a "large portion of the femshep community" which wasnt the best idea.  I actually I never changed that part as the contrasts displayed by different portions of femsheps fanbase showed there a varied reasons why people love her so much.  I actually kept it there as a spur so that people could continue their feedback and show either support or spur debate on a particular issue.


Needless to say you cant brush femshep fans with the same label.

[marshalleck]

Jedi warden wrote...

Default Male Shepard was always an icon in mass effect series always on the cover always in trailers nobody seems too be angry about it before why change it now

they didn't, rest easy knowing default male Shepard will be on the cover of every ME3 game

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 juin 2011 - 08:23 .

[Darth Death]

I'm not pleased to hear this. I wanted Conrad Verner on the other side of the cover.

[Flashlegend]

Jedi warden wrote...

Default Male Shepard was always an icon in mass effect series always on the cover always in trailers nobody seems too be angry about it before why change it now

Just because you haven't noticed others concern until now, doesn't mean that concern didn't exist. There is no canon shepard. Shepard is a male and female fully customizable character and should be treated as such in marketing.

Of course this still won't be the case. Femshep will be on cover of the collector's edition along with maleshep, and probably won't even appear on the standard edition. So why don't you calm down?

Modifié par Flashlegend, 16 juin 2011 - 08:29 .

[Jebel Krong]

marshalleck wrote...

You are generalizing when you say "such-and-such group of people exhibit such-and-such behavior."
*snip*

marshalleck wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

You see, with marketing, the individual fan does not matter. Only the majority does.
Sheploo
will always be first in line, in front of all the customized male
sheps, while default femshep and the customized femsheps will always be
second rate.

My point is it would make no sense putting femshep
on the ME cover now; they should have done that in the beginning with
ME1... But from a marketting standpoint they put sheploo, and just
sheploo, on the cover, so they can sell to the male majority...

You apparently don't even know the details of what you're attempting to argue. FemShep is sharing the cover of the Collector's Edition only, with male Shep. She is not on the cover of the standard retail. 

And
before you invoke the "confused casuals" point; the Collector's edition
is $80. Casual gamers are unlikely to shell out $80 for a game they're
either unfamiliar with, or don't know if they'll like. They will likely
be drawn to the standard edition instead.

oh the irony of those two posts.

oh and: this thread again?! why is it always the same few people spamming any threads with the word "femshep" in them? do you really think anyone equates that with perceived popularity? <_<

[greed89]

Flashlegend wrote...

Jedi warden wrote...

Default Male Shepard was always an icon in mass effect series always on the cover always in trailers nobody seems too be angry about it before why change it now

Just because you haven't noticed others concern until now, doesn't mean that concern didn't exist. There is no canon shepard. Shepard is a male and female fully customizable character and should be treated as such in marketing.

He Didnt Say Cannon HE said  Icon there is a difrence

[AshleyS3]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

You see, with marketing, the individual fan does not matter. Only the majority does.
Sheploo will always be first in line, in front of all the customized male sheps, while default femshep and the customized femsheps will always be second rate.

My point is it would make no sense putting femshep on the ME cover now; they should have done that in the beginning with ME1... But from a marketting standpoint they put sheploo, and just sheploo, on the cover, so they can sell to the male majority...

Do you really think Bioware would do this if they didn't think it would benefit them? They obviously think enough people play or are interested in femShep to highlight her in this way. They wouldn't just make this decision arbitrarily. 

[marshalleck]

Jebel Krong wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

You are generalizing when you say "such-and-such group of people exhibit such-and-such behavior."
*snip*

marshalleck wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

You see, with marketing, the individual fan does not matter. Only the majority does.
Sheploo
will always be first in line, in front of all the customized male
sheps, while default femshep and the customized femsheps will always be
second rate.

My point is it would make no sense putting femshep
on the ME cover now; they should have done that in the beginning with
ME1... But from a marketting standpoint they put sheploo, and just
sheploo, on the cover, so they can sell to the male majority...

You apparently don't even know the details of what you're attempting to argue. FemShep is sharing the cover of the Collector's Edition only, with male Shep. She is not on the cover of the standard retail. 

And
before you invoke the "confused casuals" point; the Collector's edition
is $80. Casual gamers are unlikely to shell out $80 for a game they're
either unfamiliar with, or don't know if they'll like. They will likely
be drawn to the standard edition instead.

oh the irony of those two posts.

oh and: this thread again?! why is it always the same few people spamming any threads with the word "femshep" in them? do you really think anyone equates that with perceived popularity? <_<

There is no irony.

Would you pay $80 for the Collector's Edition of a game you've never heard of, or only heard mention of in passing before you saw it sitting on a store shelf next to the standard version which costs $20 less? Even if you do, do you believe that tendency translates to many other consumers? I doubt it, and I think market research would back that up; were I wrong, we'd see publishers shipping vast quantities of CEs of their games to display alongside the standard editions. At most now what you will see is one shelf of CEs rowed individually, and then many many times more standard copies stacked layers deep on multiple shelves.

And that's assuming there will even be any Collector's Edition available for the shelves at all. I don't know if ME2 sold through all they had in every single market, but I know for the greater Portland metro region there were none to be had if you didn't pre-order. So the "confused casual" scenario may be moot in the first place, since they'd have to know what the game is in order to pre-order a copy of the supposedly confusing Collector's Edition.

Honestly, the "confused casual" argument is pretty poor reasoning for keeping femShep off the cover of ME3's collector edition along with her male counterpart.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 juin 2011 - 08:52 .

[JamieCOTC]

And there's also the old saying that, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease." Apparently it works.

[DarthSliver]

You ignorant people complaining about Femshep on the cover. If you look at the whole set it shows Maleshep encompassing the front of the Metal Case with Femshep on the back. I mean I cant believe i read through most of the post because the ones that are complaining about it are completely ignorant and havent seen the picture with it all displayed of what you get in the N7 edition and on the front is Maleshep (Iconshep). On top of that you will be getting a picture of Iconshep with a picture of the Normandy SR-2 as Femshep supporters only get a trailer and Femshep on the back of the Metal Case. There really is just a small bit of femshep from what I understand and people insist on complaining. I am going to just hate this forum once ME3 is actually out if its this bad already.

Now on a fun note would be awesome if they had maleshep and femshep making out on the cover lol. Well problay more funny

[Kreid]

DarthSliver wrote...
Now on a fun note would be awesome if they had maleshep and femshep making out on the cover lol. Well problay more funny

Universe would implode.

[marshalleck]

DarthSliver wrote...

You ignorant people complaining about Femshep on the cover. If you look at the whole set it shows Maleshep encompassing the front of the Metal Case with Femshep on the back.

Where have you seen this?

[C9316]

Dang, I'm gonna miss the constant pestering of femshep fans, are there any other small details we can complain about next?

[DarthSliver]

marshalleck wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

You ignorant people complaining about Femshep on the cover. If you look at the whole set it shows Maleshep encompassing the front of the Metal Case with Femshep on the back.

Where have you seen this?

Edit: Nvm that last bit.

I seen pictures cant remember where lol

Modifié par DarthSliver, 16 juin 2011 - 09:03 .

[marshalleck]

DarthSliver wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

You ignorant people complaining about Femshep on the cover. If you look at the whole set it shows Maleshep encompassing the front of the Metal Case with Femshep on the back.

Where have you seen this?

As you can see its directed towards the ones complaining about it mostly

Err, that's not what I asked. Unless I misunderstood you, it seems like you've seen pictures of the CE. I am unaware of such pictures existing, and would like to have a look. Where did you see them? Or did I read you wrong?