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[PrinceLionheart]

"Everyone with any sense knows that despite the images on the box, website and indeed all marketing material, the correct way to play Mass Effect is with a female Commander Shepard."

Bull$#@&!

Happy for FemShep fans though.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 16 juin 2011 - 09:04 .

[DarthSliver]

marshalleck wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

You ignorant people complaining about Femshep on the cover. If you look at the whole set it shows Maleshep encompassing the front of the Metal Case with Femshep on the back.

Where have you seen this?

Gamestop and its just the Metal Case Iconshep is on

[Jebel Krong]

marshalleck wrote...
There is no irony.

Would you pay $80 for the Collector's Edition of a game you've never heard of, or only heard mention of in passing before you saw it sitting on a store shelf next to the standard version which costs $20 less? Even if you do, do you believe that tendency translates to many other consumers? I doubt it, and I think market research would back that up; were I wrong, we'd see publishers shipping vast quantities of CEs of their games to display alongside the standard editions. At most now what you will see is one shelf of CEs rowed individually, and then many many times more standard copies stacked layers deep on multiple shelves.

And that's assuming there will even be any Collector's Edition available for the shelves at all. I don't know if ME2 sold through all they had in every single market, but I know for the greater Portland metro region there were none to be had if you didn't pre-order. So the "confused casual" scenario may be moot in the first place, since they'd have to know what the game is in order to pre-order a copy of the supposedly confusing Collector's Edition.

Honestly, the "confused casual" argument is pretty poor reasoning for keeping femShep off the cover of ME3's collector edition along with her male counterpart.

really? now who's making assumptions: surely you don't really think only hardcore fans buy them, do you? they're not generally THAT limited in terms of availability (your "personal experience" aside - which contradicts my own btw - i bought the PC CE off the shelf months after release, after i had the 360 version). the fact is they are generally mass-produced and people do buy them for the extras.

as for confused casual, i don't really buy that, although some people are really thick, but you can't argue that iconic shep was created precisely to sell the game across the board, undercutting that (especially now) is pointless - as i said in another thread, default femshep is pointless - she's not iconic, not custom - so why is she being co-promoted?

[DarthSliver]

marshalleck wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

You ignorant people complaining about Femshep on the cover. If you look at the whole set it shows Maleshep encompassing the front of the Metal Case with Femshep on the back.

Where have you seen this?

As you can see its directed towards the ones complaining about it mostly

Err, that's not what I asked. Unless I misunderstood you, it seems like you've seen pictures of the CE. I am unaware of such pictures existing, and would like to have a look. Where did you see them? Or did I read you wrong?

Sorry i misunderstood you, Gamestop. Theres a picture you can click on and I am sure there is one on the main site.

[Jebel Krong]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

"Everyone with any sense knows that despite the images on the box, website and indeed all marketing material, the correct way to play Mass Effect is with a female Commander Shepard."

Bull$#@&!

think you missed the sarcasm there, coeur de lion.

[marshalleck]

DarthSliver wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

You ignorant people complaining about Femshep on the cover. If you look at the whole set it shows Maleshep encompassing the front of the Metal Case with Femshep on the back.

Where have you seen this?

Gamestop and its just the Metal Case Iconshep is on

Ah, that's the same image as the one on Bioware's site, which Amazon is using too. 

I was wondering if a sneak peak had leaked out. Mr. Silverman seemed to hint at Bioware doing something to Shepard's appearance, and I'm naturally curious.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 juin 2011 - 09:10 .

[DarthSliver]

marshalleck wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

You ignorant people complaining about Femshep on the cover. If you look at the whole set it shows Maleshep encompassing the front of the Metal Case with Femshep on the back.

Where have you seen this?

Gamestop and its just the Metal Case Iconshep is on

Ah, that's the same image as the one on Bioware's site, which Amazon is using too. 

I was wondering if a sneak peak had leaked out. Mr. Silverman seemed to hint at Bioware doing something to Shepard's appearance, and I'm naturally curious.

No and I sorta hope our only sneak is watching the femshep Trailer to get an idea what she will look like on the Metal Case lol. Surprise me Bioware lol, but that is more or so for people who want to see how limited the femshep advertising thing actually is in reality. I mean its really small for CE even the artbook as Maleshep on it from the looks. There is no reason for people to be complaining about femshep getting some show finally

Modifié par DarthSliver, 16 juin 2011 - 09:14 .

[evmiller]

Some of you people are really dense. The ME3 CE will almost be identical the the ME2 one except FemShep will replace the image of the Collector. Sheploo on one side, FemShep on the other. N7 on the slip cover. No ones removing anyone's precious Sheploo, GET IT!!

[Descara]

After reading the thread so far, I think I might have brain substance leaking out my ear. Also, my left eye is twitching in a funny way.

... anyway, good to hear!

[JamieCOTC]

C9316 wrote...

Dang, I'm gonna miss the constant pestering of femshep fans, are there any other small details we can complain about next?

Lots. 

[C9316]

JamieCOTC wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Dang, I'm gonna miss the constant pestering of femshep fans, are there any other small details we can complain about next?

Lots. 

Dang right! I demand a cover and trailer for Black Shepard!!!

[FlyingWalrus]

I am excited that FemShep will finally be getting a unique look instead of a generic template, a la Lady Hawke.

[marshalleck]

C9316 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Dang, I'm gonna miss the constant pestering of femshep fans, are there any other small details we can complain about next?

Lots. 

Dang right! I demand a cover and trailer for Black Shepard!!!

I suppose we could complain that femShep in the trailer is too sexy or not sexy enough. In fact I am anticipating just this response.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Gosh, think maybe having BOTH on the cover might make female gamers who want a female character but did not pick up ME due to the male centric marketing might go "Oh, you can be male or female? That's cool"?

For the record I'm male, but still, I'm sure there are female gamers out there that haven't bothered with Mass Effect because it's just another "man's game" but featuring a female option on the cover will make them take a second look.

[Wynne]

A vote for FemShep is a vote for diversity and roleplaying.

Gamers should know that the ME series provides options. It's not a lame Gears of War knockoff with some big tough bald guy like all the other big tough bald guys out there. That needs to be known--and yeah, we know it, but does everyone? Somehow, I doubt the person who's never heard of ME who sees Sheploo is going to go, "Oh, wow, I bet that game's a really unique experience!" Quite frankly, it wasn't him on the cover that drew me. It was the aliens, the girl in the space suit, and the planets that interested me. And it being a Bioware game, of course--but not everyone has played a Bioware game before. Not everyone who would love an RPG like this has played one.

Part of ME's charm is that it gives you more options. You can say, "forget the Dutch model dude, my Shepard is going to be a black man." You can say, "Male heroes are everywhere. This is what century? I'll take a heroine instead." The game is a different experience based on whether you're male or female. I view Shepard in subtly different ways based on the performances of Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer. And frankly, I love that.

They should market that, period. Maybe expanding on on the whole "Sheploo is the face of ME" thing, rather than clinging to him alone like he's some sort of religion that must never be violated by ever implying that you can play the game without him, will draw the attention of people who like the idea of variety and cinematics rather than just the same exact shooter formula we've all played dozens of times before. Maybe it will distinguish and deepen the game in the minds of newcomers rather than make them scratch their heads like hairless apes.

I really don't think the average gamer is too stupid to understand the concept that there's a default but you can make your own. Somehow, that doesn't strike me as the sort of thing you need to go to college for.

Long live Jane Shepard, and Ugly Shepard for that matter. They make the ME universe a better place, and they make the game so much more fun for the individual.

[Shepard Lives]

Wynne wrote...

A vote for FemShep is a vote for diversity and roleplaying.

Gamers should know that the ME series provides options. It's not a lame Gears of War knockoff with some big tough bald guy like all the other big tough bald guys out there. That needs to be known--and yeah, we know it, but does everyone? Somehow, I doubt the person who's never heard of ME who sees Sheploo is going to go, "Oh, wow, I bet that game's a really unique experience!" Quite frankly, it wasn't him on the cover that drew me. It was the aliens, the girl in the space suit, and the planets that interested me. And it being a Bioware game, of course--but not everyone has played a Bioware game before. Not everyone who would love an RPG like this has played one.

Part of ME's charm is that it gives you more options. You can say, "forget the Dutch model dude, my Shepard is going to be a black man." You can say, "Male heroes are everywhere. This is what century? I'll take a heroine instead." The game is a different experience based on whether you're male or female. I view Shepard in subtly different ways based on the performances of Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer. And frankly, I love that.

They should market that, period. Maybe expanding on on the whole "Sheploo is the face of ME" thing, rather than clinging to him alone like he's some sort of religion that must never be violated by ever implying that you can play the game without him, will draw the attention of people who like the idea of variety and cinematics rather than just the same exact shooter formula we've all played dozens of times before. Maybe it will distinguish and deepen the game in the minds of newcomers rather than make them scratch their heads like hairless apes.

I really don't think the average gamer is too stupid to understand the concept that there's a default but you can make your own. Somehow, that doesn't strike me as the sort of thing you need to go to college for.

Long live Jane Shepard, and Ugly Shepard for that matter. They make the ME universe a better place, and they make the game so much more fun for the individual.

<3

This is frickin' amazing. Thank you, Wynne.

Modifié par Shepard Lives, 16 juin 2011 - 10:21 .

[STG]

I like femshep, I hate her fanboys.

[CrimsonNephilim]

Wynne wrote...

A vote for FemShep is a vote for diversity and roleplaying.

Gamers should know that the ME series provides options. It's not a lame Gears of War knockoff with some big tough bald guy like all the other big tough bald guys out there. That needs to be known--and yeah, we know it, but does everyone? Somehow, I doubt the person who's never heard of ME who sees Sheploo is going to go, "Oh, wow, I bet that game's a really unique experience!" Quite frankly, it wasn't him on the cover that drew me. It was the aliens, the girl in the space suit, and the planets that interested me. And it being a Bioware game, of course--but not everyone has played a Bioware game before. Not everyone who would love an RPG like this has played one.

Part of ME's charm is that it gives you more options. You can say, "forget the Dutch model dude, my Shepard is going to be a black man." You can say, "Male heroes are everywhere. This is what century? I'll take a heroine instead." The game is a different experience based on whether you're male or female. I view Shepard in subtly different ways based on the performances of Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer. And frankly, I love that.

They should market that, period. Maybe expanding on on the whole "Sheploo is the face of ME" thing, rather than clinging to him alone like he's some sort of religion that must never be violated by ever implying that you can play the game without him, will draw the attention of people who like the idea of variety and cinematics rather than just the same exact shooter formula we've all played dozens of times before. Maybe it will distinguish and deepen the game in the minds of newcomers rather than make them scratch their heads like hairless apes.

I really don't think the average gamer is too stupid to understand the concept that there's a default but you can make your own. Somehow, that doesn't strike me as the sort of thing you need to go to college for.

Long live Jane Shepard, and Ugly Shepard for that matter. They make the ME universe a better place, and they make the game so much more fun for the individual.

*fist bump*

[Quinnzel]

I'm glad the marketing team is finally doing this, even If I hate playing FemShep with every bone in my body. Makes me glad I'm getting the Collectors Edition just to see what she looks like (there was a mention of red hair and green eyes somewhere...which makes me want my BeardShep romance her), kudos to those that have been asking for this since ME1!

[Eternal Dust]

Well, it's only the CE which you have to pre-order, and only die-hard fans pre-order them.

I'm excited about the trailer though.

[Thrombin]

evmiller wrote...

Some of you people are really dense. The ME3 CE will almost be identical the the ME2 one except FemShep will replace the image of the Collector. Sheploo on one side, FemShep on the other. N7 on the slip cover. No ones removing anyone's precious Sheploo, GET IT!!

I find it amusing that I posted this back on page 1 and nobody seems to have noticed 

[Thrombin]

The Twilight God wrote...
I assure you, no guy is playing as a female because they enjoy staring at her pixels for 50+ hours. That is what internet porn is for.  I never quite understood the need for guys to make up such contrived statements. As if they are less manly if they don't sexualize their reasoning. Maybe they really don't like Mark Meer's voice, or his default face and suck at the character creator. Or maybe they simply like the idea of a woman kicking ass. But it certainly isn't for the view. And if it is they have some serious issues. 

Speaking as someone who made such a statement in a recent thread I would have to disagree. While the fact that, as a heterosexual male, I enjoy looking at an attractive example of the female form is not the only reason I enjoy playing female protagonists in roleplaying games it is definitely one reason.

As you say, I particularly like the idea of a woman kicking ass but, again, I would say that's because I find strong women to be a turn on.

Having said that, I'm not overly keen on ugly heroes whether they're male or female. I like my heroes to be physically attractive either way. It might be shallow but, if I can have any look I want, I don't see why I'd want to settle for anything less than what I'd find attractive.

And, no, I don't think I've got issues 

[Siibi]

A Femshep trailer? YES PLEASE

As a Femshep fan I'm very happy to hear this

[Wonderllama4]

the female Commander Shepard has never looked as good as the male Shepard because he is based on a real life person. to that end, I believe Bioware should base the default FemShep on supermodel Marisa Miller. truly the perfect woman, from head to toe! (move aside, Miranda!!)