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[Alpha revan]

Creid-X wrote...

I play both male and female Shepards and I'm happy for femshep being in the cover and all, but I hate when people start to criticize default maleShep/Mark Meer (which are both awesome) saying things like default boring bald dude etc...

There are fans of default manShep out there you know?

I agree wholeheartedly. Up until now I haven't had a reason to speak out, Hell I'm sure most people haven't. But because Bioware is paying attention to all the bullcrap the femshep fans are dishing out. There are a lot of male shep fans as well.

[charmingcharlie]

Alpha revan wrote...

I agree wholeheartedly. Up until now I haven't had a reason to speak out, Hell I'm sure most people haven't. But because Bioware is paying attention to all the bullcrap the femshep fans are dishing out. There are a lot of male shep fans as well.

There is still no reason for you to speak out.  As far as I am aware male shep is still the main focus of Biowares marketing campaign.  You will see maleshep in all the trailers but ONE, you will see male shep in all the screenshots, and you will see male shep on the front of the packaging.

All Bioware are doing is giving femshep fans ONE trailer and shoving femshep on the back of the box.  Now are you seriously saying you have a problem with that ?

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 17 juin 2011 - 01:26 .

[JamieCOTC]

Alpha revan wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

I play both male and female Shepards and I'm happy for femshep being in the cover and all, but I hate when people start to criticize default maleShep/Mark Meer (which are both awesome) saying things like default boring bald dude etc...

There are fans of default manShep out there you know?

I agree wholeheartedly. Up until now I haven't had a reason to speak out, Hell I'm sure most people haven't. But because Bioware is paying attention to all the bullcrap the femshep fans are dishing out. There are a lot of male shep fans as well.

For the record, I do not care for Mark Meer's performance as Shepard.  It does nothing for me, but I realize he does have his fans and that's cool.  I do think Mark Meer is an extremely talented voice actor in all his other work, and his improv is great! Yes, many fans do equate their dislike (or personal preference) to a fact and spew hateful comments toward Mark and default Shep.  That's just sad. Equating personal preference to fact is hardly anything new, but it’s still no excuse.  Both sides of the isle have acted rudely and immaturely w/ comments such as “bland, poor acting” and “she should stay in the kitchen.” 

I understand your frustration, but what I hope you understand is that default manShep has had 100% the spotlight and femshep has had none.  When fans latch on to a character and there is no recognition of that character a void forms and that void gets filled w/ frustration (not dissimilar to what you may be feeling now).  It’s just the nature of fandom and is not localized to Mass Effect.  The unfortunate thing is that frustration will often come in the form of vocal insults and that’s not good for anyone.  But the thing is, this is not a contest.  Default broShep will still be the poster boy.  femShep is just getting a little overdue recognition.  That's all. 

Anyway, it’s just a game. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 17 juin 2011 - 01:34 .

[sagefic]

Good Chaos7 wrote...

Oblivious wrote...

www.gamepro.com/article/news/220454/femshep-mass-effect-3-salutes-you/

WOW!! I didn't know there was a website dedicated to FemShep! TT_TT This all make's me so Happy!!

it's http://femshep.com/ and it's awesome. come visit. we have cookies.

We made Sheploo bake them.  

Modifié par sagequeen, 17 juin 2011 - 01:33 .

[marshalleck]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Alpha revan wrote...

I agree wholeheartedly. Up until now I haven't had a reason to speak out, Hell I'm sure most people haven't. But because Bioware is paying attention to all the bullcrap the femshep fans are dishing out. There are a lot of male shep fans as well.

There is still no reason for you to speak out.  As far as I am aware male shep is still the main focus of Biowares marketing campaign.  You will see maleshep in all the trailers but ONE, you will see male shep in all the screenshots, and you will see male shep on the front of the packaging.

All Bioware are doing is giving femshep fans ONE trailer and shoving femshep on the back of the box.  Now are you seriously saying you have a problem with that ?

Clearly that's taking things too far! It's completely unreasonable!

[The Twilight God]

Thrombin wrote...

Speaking as someone who made such a statement in a recent thread I would have to disagree. While the fact that, as a heterosexual male, I enjoy looking at an attractive example of the female form is not the only reason I enjoy playing female protagonists in roleplaying games it is definitely one reason.

As you say, I particularly like the idea of a woman kicking ass but, again, I would say that's because I find strong women to be a turn on.

Having said that, I'm not overly keen on ugly heroes whether they're male or female. I like my heroes to be physically attractive either way. It might be shallow but, if I can have any look I want, I don't see why I'd want to settle for anything less than what I'd find attractive.

And, no, I don't think I've got issues 

A woman who looks like she can handle herself does not have to be ugly.  Back in the day Xena: Warrior Princess was my favorite show.  She did not look like Kelly Ripa playing soldier. She looked the part.

It really annoyed me that Hercules could always beat Xena despite the fact that she was 10 times faster, 20 times more agile and 40 times the fighter he was. Damn you, Hercules!!



P.S. People with issues never know they have issues.

P.S.S. Why is it that when I post a smily I get this:

Modifié par The Twilight God, 17 juin 2011 - 01:44 .

[charmingcharlie]

The Twilight God wrote...
P.S.S. Why is it that when I post a smily I get this:

There have been a few problems with picture spam on the forum by people that just sign up for the board to spam it.  I am only guessing here but I think Bioware has changed the picture posting privileges so that only those that have registered their copy of Mass Effect 2 can post pictures on this board. Unfortunately the forum smileys are considered "images" and because you haven't registered your copy of the game that means the minute you post a smiley the board automatically removes it.

Sorry for the off topic post

[adneate]

Alpha revan wrote...
I agree wholeheartedly. Up until now I haven't had a reason to speak out, Hell I'm sure most people haven't. But because Bioware is paying attention to all the bullcrap the femshep fans are dishing out. There are a lot of male shep fans as well.

Exactly! Why what do we have to do to FINALLY see Sheploo in a trailer, how much do we have to give to finally hear Mark Meer in a trailer or see a screenshot of Sheploo's new DLC armor! It's patently unfair just how much focus FemShep gets, all the animations are tailored for her, she's on every box and in every single piece of marketing material BioWare puts out. Quite frankely it's criminal how ignored and abused ManShep is, is there no justice in this world for a caucasian male hero? I mean you never see a character like that and BioWare makes one but they don't tell anyone about him!?

I've had enough, I'm going to start a campaign to get BioWare to put Sheploo on the box and finally make a trailer for him.

[Deztyn]

Stop complaining. Why don't you go fix my car or take out the trash? We all know that's the only thing men are good for.

[ciaweth]

Man, there are a whole lot of manbabies BAWWWW'in in here.

[kj0600]

I'm so happy, it's about time female Shepard got some marketing! Thank you Bioware!

[Punahedan]

She's on the back cover. Of the CE. Better than not at all, I say.

Get over it, dudes, and bake yourselves a cake with those mantears.

[STG]

I honestly don't see what the issue is here. It's just a trailer and a cover, who cares who or what is on them? It's the actual game that matters.

[Ziggy]

It's awesome! Femshep finally getting some much deserved recognition.

Better late then never

[Jebel Krong]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

Alpha revan wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

I play both male and female Shepards and I'm happy for femshep being in the cover and all, but I hate when people start to criticize default maleShep/Mark Meer (which are both awesome) saying things like default boring bald dude etc...

There are fans of default manShep out there you know?

I agree wholeheartedly. Up until now I haven't had a reason to speak out, Hell I'm sure most people haven't. But because Bioware is paying attention to all the bullcrap the femshep fans are dishing out. There are a lot of male shep fans as well.

And how would you feel if you had to mount a campaign to get Sheploo on the cover with FemShep? Not great I imagine, and ecstatic when it worked. FemShep being on the cover doesn't diminish MShep in anyway and all us FemShep fans are simply being loudly jubilant, it'll fade.

that's not correct and you know it: "sheploo" (and i find that term particularly sexist, and there'd be uproar if it was the other way around from exactly people like you) was created to specifically market the game. if there had been "iconic" femshepard and not male, then we wouldn't be having these threads. the simple fact is the default femshep was not created to market the game, but people like you are willing to ****** all over marketing continuity and brand recognition (and yes diluting the brand by having two "icons" representing the game will do just that) and hurt the franchise chances of expanding just so you can have "equality". anyone interested enough in the concpet of the game (of which player gender is a tiny tiny part) can find out that you can play m/f and customise it in literally a few minutes, it's not like it's a hidden fact.

[SilentNukee]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

Alpha revan wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

I play both male and female Shepards and I'm happy for femshep being in the cover and all, but I hate when people start to criticize default maleShep/Mark Meer (which are both awesome) saying things like default boring bald dude etc...

There are fans of default manShep out there you know?

I agree wholeheartedly. Up until now I haven't had a reason to speak out, Hell I'm sure most people haven't. But because Bioware is paying attention to all the bullcrap the femshep fans are dishing out. There are a lot of male shep fans as well.

And how would you feel if you had to mount a campaign to get Sheploo on the cover with FemShep? Not great I imagine, and ecstatic when it worked. FemShep being on the cover doesn't diminish MShep in anyway and all us FemShep fans are simply being loudly jubilant, it'll fade.

that's not correct and you know it: "sheploo" (and i find that term particularly sexist, and there'd be uproar if it was the other way around from exactly people like you) was created to specifically market the game. if there had been "iconic" femshepard and not male, then we wouldn't be having these threads. the simple fact is the default femshep was not created to market the game, but people like you are willing to ****** all over marketing continuity and brand recognition (and yes diluting the brand by having two "icons" representing the game will do just that) and hurt the franchise chances of expanding just so you can have "equality". anyone interested enough in the concpet of the game (of which player gender is a tiny tiny part) can find out that you can play m/f and customise it in literally a few minutes, it's not like it's a hidden fact.

Please refrain yourself from posting such idiotic remarks that you clearly cannot comprehend. This path of action will actually boost sales up.

[Jebel Krong]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

And how would you feel if you had to mount a campaign to get Sheploo on the cover with FemShep? Not great I imagine, and ecstatic when it worked. FemShep being on the cover doesn't diminish MShep in anyway and all us FemShep fans are simply being loudly jubilant, it'll fade.

that's not correct and you know it: "sheploo" (and i find that term particularly sexist, and there'd be uproar if it was the other way around from exactly people like you) was created to specifically market the game. if there had been "iconic" femshepard and not male, then we wouldn't be having these threads. the simple fact is the default femshep was not created to market the game, but people like you are willing to ****** all over marketing continuity and brand recognition (and yes diluting the brand by having two "icons" representing the game will do just that) and hurt the franchise chances of expanding just so you can have "equality". anyone interested enough in the concpet of the game (of which player gender is a tiny tiny part) can find out that you can play m/f and customise it in literally a few minutes, it's not like it's a hidden fact.

How is that incorrect exactly? All I did was reverse the logic.
Shepard - Vanderloo = Sheploo (a differntiation from default and CYO Shepard). If there was a femal default model I doubt she would be held to different standard but alas we cannot know until they release ME3 and then only if they use a default model. Also shortenings of female names are used all the time "Brangelina", "Bennifer" for hollywood couples etc. I find that dehumanising rather than sexist but that's more to do with the turn-around involved with tabloids.

It's an extremely foolish marketing person that doesn't consider new ways to broaden their market and FemShep is a good way for BioWare to do that. You are still going to purchase the game and it might get some new people in too, so from a business concern why not do it?

Now I'm not sure what your issue with equality in games is but games are a part of culture thus the re-inforce and perpetuate standards. By embracing change BioWare making an infintesimal change but they are re-inforcing a positive trend. I support that.

it's sexist because it's used in a derogatory way, by a whole load of people round here (usually the ones propping up threads like this).

brand recognition is all about getting your message across as simply as possible - diluting that in any way will not help sell the game. the 'broadening' can be done in the minutiae - you have to get people interested to look before you overload them with information. look at any modern advertising and you see it all the time, that's why it helps to have one thing to focus on when marketing the game. i certainly don't subscribe to the notion that anyone will suddenly buy the game just because you can play as a female - you are interested in the concept or not before you ever get that far - and your gender choice is a tiny part of the overall game.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 17 juin 2011 - 08:55 .

[SilentNukee]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

And how would you feel if you had to mount a campaign to get Sheploo on the cover with FemShep? Not great I imagine, and ecstatic when it worked. FemShep being on the cover doesn't diminish MShep in anyway and all us FemShep fans are simply being loudly jubilant, it'll fade.

that's not correct and you know it: "sheploo" (and i find that term particularly sexist, and there'd be uproar if it was the other way around from exactly people like you) was created to specifically market the game. if there had been "iconic" femshepard and not male, then we wouldn't be having these threads. the simple fact is the default femshep was not created to market the game, but people like you are willing to ****** all over marketing continuity and brand recognition (and yes diluting the brand by having two "icons" representing the game will do just that) and hurt the franchise chances of expanding just so you can have "equality". anyone interested enough in the concpet of the game (of which player gender is a tiny tiny part) can find out that you can play m/f and customise it in literally a few minutes, it's not like it's a hidden fact.

How is that incorrect exactly? All I did was reverse the logic.
Shepard - Vanderloo = Sheploo (a differntiation from default and CYO Shepard). If there was a femal default model I doubt she would be held to different standard but alas we cannot know until they release ME3 and then only if they use a default model. Also shortenings of female names are used all the time "Brangelina", "Bennifer" for hollywood couples etc. I find that dehumanising rather than sexist but that's more to do with the turn-around involved with tabloids.

It's an extremely foolish marketing person that doesn't consider new ways to broaden their market and FemShep is a good way for BioWare to do that. You are still going to purchase the game and it might get some new people in too, so from a business concern why not do it?

Now I'm not sure what your issue with equality in games is but games are a part of culture thus the re-inforce and perpetuate standards. By embracing change BioWare making an infintesimal change but they are re-inforcing a positive trend. I support that.

it's sexist because it's used in a derogatory way, by a whole load of people round here (usually the ones propping up threads like this).

brand recognition is all about getting your message across as simply as possible - diluting that in any way will not help sell the game. the 'broadening' can be done in the minutiae - you have to get people interested to look before you overload them with information. look at any modern advertising and you see it all the time, that's why it helps to have one thing to focus on when marketing the game. i certainly don't subscribe to the notion that anyone will suddenly buy the game just because you can play as a female - you are interested in the concept or not before you ever get that far - and your gender choice is a tiny part of the overall game.

Hey bro, more illogical crap. Cut it out! (You are entitled to your own opinion, but sheesh, why can't you see the logic behind this?)

Also, I don't think "sexist" is the word you're looking for Sheploo. If that were the case, in your logic, "FemShep" and "ManShep" would also fall into that category.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 17 juin 2011 - 09:08 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

And how would you feel if you had to mount a campaign to get Sheploo on the cover with FemShep? Not great I imagine, and ecstatic when it worked. FemShep being on the cover doesn't diminish MShep in anyway and all us FemShep fans are simply being loudly jubilant, it'll fade.

that's not correct and you know it: "sheploo" (and i find that term particularly sexist, and there'd be uproar if it was the other way around from exactly people like you) was created to specifically market the game. if there had been "iconic" femshepard and not male, then we wouldn't be having these threads. the simple fact is the default femshep was not created to market the game, but people like you are willing to ****** all over marketing continuity and brand recognition (and yes diluting the brand by having two "icons" representing the game will do just that) and hurt the franchise chances of expanding just so you can have "equality". anyone interested enough in the concpet of the game (of which player gender is a tiny tiny part) can find out that you can play m/f and customise it in literally a few minutes, it's not like it's a hidden fact.

How is that incorrect exactly? All I did was reverse the logic.
Shepard - Vanderloo = Sheploo (a differntiation from default and CYO Shepard). If there was a femal default model I doubt she would be held to different standard but alas we cannot know until they release ME3 and then only if they use a default model. Also shortenings of female names are used all the time "Brangelina", "Bennifer" for hollywood couples etc. I find that dehumanising rather than sexist but that's more to do with the turn-around involved with tabloids.

It's an extremely foolish marketing person that doesn't consider new ways to broaden their market and FemShep is a good way for BioWare to do that. You are still going to purchase the game and it might get some new people in too, so from a business concern why not do it?

Now I'm not sure what your issue with equality in games is but games are a part of culture thus the re-inforce and perpetuate standards. By embracing change BioWare making an infintesimal change but they are re-inforcing a positive trend. I support that.

it's sexist because it's used in a derogatory way, by a whole load of people round here (usually the ones propping up threads like this).

brand recognition is all about getting your message across as simply as possible - diluting that in any way will not help sell the game. the 'broadening' can be done in the minutiae - you have to get people interested to look before you overload them with information. look at any modern advertising and you see it all the time, that's why it helps to have one thing to focus on when marketing the game. i certainly don't subscribe to the notion that anyone will suddenly buy the game just because you can play as a female - you are interested in the concept or not before you ever get that far - and your gender choice is a tiny part of the overall game.

By now the ME franchise is well know. The title Mass Effect says enough. Brandname recognition has been established. MaleShep (Is that a better term? - Ghehe) has served his purpose long ago. Using FemShep (Why isn't that sexist?) can only lead to more heads up. I've seen women post here that they didn't know they were able to play as a female PC until after buying. ShepLoo on the cover caused that.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 17 juin 2011 - 09:10 .

[Jebel Krong]

SilentNukee wrote...

Also, I don't think "sexist" is the word you're looking for Sheploo. If that were the case, in your logic, "FemShep" and "ManShep" would also fall into that category.

no - they would be simple adjectives.

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

By now the ME franchise is well know. The title Mass Effect says enough. Brandname recognition has been established. MaleShep (Is that a better term? - Ghehe) has served his purpose long ago. Using FemShep (Why isn't that sexist?) can only lead to more heads up. I've seen women post here that they didn't know they were able to play as a female PC until after buying. ShepLoo on the cover caused that.

the brand has been established, but it's still not as well-known (or selling) as certain other franchises, which is a shame because it's undoubtedly better than pretty much any other. using femshep might well attract a few more female players, i don't deny that, but it won't attract more casual players who are FAR larger in number, who would be put off by the diluted advertising message that having both sheps represented will do. realise: advertising is aimed at the lowest common denominator, not the highest, and unfortunately there are a lot more of those than there are at the top.

edit: consider this article and why nintendo have decided to go back to basic white to launch a new console. white, as simple and neutral colour as possible: http://kotaku.com/58...e-for-the-wii-u it's not directly analagous, but it touches on similar things. if you really cared for the franchise, rather than just wanting to have some generic femshep up there "because the men have one", then you'll know what ive been saying is true.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 17 juin 2011 - 09:22 .

[Icinix]

I think its a fantastic acknowledgement of the choice Shepard presents gamers.

The only way to break down the walls of a mindset is to ....ironically, and also kind of stupidly, break them down anyway possible.

to the people who have issue with this - congratulations - you've got the mindset of men who believe only women should be in the boardroom. You should be soooo proud!

[AngryFrozenWater]

Jebel Krong wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Also, I don't think "sexist" is the word you're looking for Sheploo. If that were the case, in your logic, "FemShep" and "ManShep" would also fall into that category.

no - they would be simple adjectives.

I've just dreamed up a new one: ShepHale. Or does that sound too superior?