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[ReallyRue]

... and this extends to tech abilities as well, I suppose.

Shepard always uses a gun for everything in the cutscenes, regardless of specialisation. Fair play, I realise all Sheps are soldiers (profession, not spec) so they would obviously use their gun, but at the same time it makes sense that maybe a biotic/techie Shep would use their abilities to attack an enemy or something. For instance, in LotSB, when Shep has to attack the SB with a melee attack, it'd make sense, when attacking something that big to use your biotics to bolster your attack (like a vanguard charge).

Failing Shep actually using her/his abilities in cutscenes, mentioning them in dialogue woud be rather nice. Especially when talking to fellow biotics/techies. I think the only time someone has shown any recognition of it was Kaidan in one line of ME1. With something like the suicide mission, a biotic had to be chosen to hold a barrier. Obviously, being the player character, it would be silly for bioticShepard to be the one holding the barrier, but a mention of it in game might have been good, even just a throwaway line ike "well I can't do it, I'm leading the main fireteam - Samara/Jack/Morinth/failures, you do it."

Of course, maybe it's just me.

[SamT3N7]

ReallyRue wrote...

... and this extends to tech abilities as well, I suppose.

Shepard always uses a gun for everything in the cutscenes, regardless of specialisation. Fair play, I realise all Sheps are soldiers (profession, not spec) so they would obviously use their gun, but at the same time it makes sense that maybe a biotic/techie Shep would use their abilities to attack an enemy or something. For instance, in LotSB, when Shep has to attack the SB with a melee attack, it'd make sense, when attacking something that big to use your biotics to bolster your attack (like a vanguard charge).

Failing Shep actually using her/his abilities in cutscenes, mentioning them in dialogue woud be rather nice. Especially when talking to fellow biotics/techies. I think the only time someone has shown any recognition of it was Kaidan in one line of ME1. With something like the suicide mission, a biotic had to be chosen to hold a barrier. Obviously, being the player character, it would be silly for bioticShepard to be the one holding the barrier, but a mention of it in game might have been good, even just a throwaway line ike "well I can't do it, I'm leading the main fireteam - Samara/Jack/Morinth/failures, you do it."

Of course, maybe it's just me.

Then they would have to divert resources from other things to create multiple versions of cutscenes.

http://social.biowar...ex/7646382&lf=8

But I'm not against characters mentioning it in dialouge. 

[Captain Crash]

This is one those time issues I think.   There was a thread a couple of days ago discussing the Assault Rifle in cut scenes and how it was default even if you never carried one.  Chris replied and essentially said spending time animating for each class individually will take away time spent on another scene.     Priorities in the end.


However that doesnt mean I dont support this.   I play my main Shep as an adept so seeing her light up her biotics instead of a gun would be awesome!  


*Edit* There we go, Sam ninja'd the link I was off to find, thanks!  

Modifié par Captain Crash, 16 juin 2011 - 07:54 .

[Shepard Lives]

Captain Crash wrote...

This is one those time issues I think.   There was a thread a couple of days ago discussing the Assault Rifle in cut scenes and how it was default even if you never carried one.  Chris replied and essentially said spending time animating for each class individually will take away time spent on another scene.     Priorities in the end.


However that doesnt mean I dont support this.

Pretty much what I think.

A couple of biotic/tech cutscenes in the whole game can't drain too many resources, righ'?

[Village_Idiot]

Biotics and the social stigma they face is a recurring theme in ME, so it is kind of odd how Shepard is never mentioned in this context if s/he is a biotic, and not uses their abilities in cutscenes.

I'd love to see it better implemented in game, but it's a minor niggle. There are more important issues I'd rather see them spend their resources on.

[Smeelia]

Even if it wont happen, it's still a nice idea.  There aren't that many scenes where Shepard actually fires their gun (even then, a fair bit is suppressing fire) so I suppose it could be possible to do that if they find they have spare time or an easy way to set it up (assuming they don't have loads of combat cutscenes in ME3).  They could also have something like the Dragon Age 2 gimmick of using abilities from conversation.

[SamT3N7]

Captain Crash wrote...

This is one those time issues I think.   There was a thread a couple of days ago discussing the Assault Rifle in cut scenes and how it was default even if you never carried one.  Chris replied and essentially said spending time animating for each class individually will take away time spent on another scene.     Priorities in the end.


However that doesnt mean I dont support this.   I play my main Shep as an adept so seeing her light up her biotics instead of a gun would be awesome!  


*Edit* There we go, Sam ninja'd the link I was off to find, thanks!  

Sure thing!

[ReallyRue]

Hmm, I don't mind much if they didn't have the cutscenes with biotics, but mentioning would be good. I kept wanting Jack/Samara/Miranda/Liara/those other ones to mention Shep's biotics, even just in passing. It'd be a lovely personal touch. Maybe Tali/Legion/Kasumi/Garrus could have mentioned techShepard's abilties too.

[Sparrow44]

Well BW are sortof making a big deal over the Omni-Blade which is sortof tech like I suppose, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it in cutscenes.

Shepard using biotics in cutscenes would be nice, but I don't see it happening personally.

[ReallyRue]

Sparroww wrote...

Well BW are sortof making a big deal over the Omni-Blade which is sortof tech like I suppose, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it in cutscenes.

Shepard using biotics in cutscenes would be nice, but I don't see it happening personally.

Don't biotics get some sort of special biotic blade or something?

[Captain Crash]

Shepard Lives wrote...

Pretty much what I think.

A couple of biotic/tech cutscenes in the whole game can't drain too many resources, righ'?

Of course, I know exactly what Rue is getting at and its a nice feature for sure!


Liara lights up her Biotics at the Security checkpoint in ME1 for example.  You none biotic squadmates just point their guns during this scene.

[NuclearBuddha]

ReallyRue wrote...
Don't biotics get some sort of special biotic blade or something?

Everyone gets the omniblade.  Specific classes get specific heavy melee attacks (whatever those might be).

[ReallyRue]

@CaptainCrash, and Jack crosses her arms and lights up with biotics at Thane's entrance when you confront Nassana. I think if the effort can be spared for a couple of cutscenes like that with squadmates, then maybe for Shep? S/he wouldn't even have to use them, just glow or point the omni-tool at the enemy (for techies) to threaten them.

NuclearBuddha wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...
Don't biotics get some sort of special biotic blade or something?

Everyone gets the omniblade.  Specific classes get specific heavy melee attacks (whatever those might be).

Ah, that's probably what I'm thinking of.

[CajNatalie]

When you kill Ethan Jeong in Feros, Tali threatens his guards with her Omni Tool.
I don't have a screenshot, I'm afraid, but it's classic every time I see it.

Cosmetic, but if done right, priceless.
If they can afford even a little effort in to this, I'd be happy.
A unified set of 'threat poses' that the game draws upon every time you and your team need to do a... threatening pose... comes to mind... perhaps they're already doing that and to do this they'd need to add a few extras to the list.

Of course, I wouldn't be unhappy not to see this. There are other ways to make the game better, and it all has to be prioritized.

Modifié par CajNatalie, 16 juin 2011 - 08:14 .

[Someone With Mass]

This happens in ME2 as well. I've seen Tali readying he omni-tool and Jack fire up her biotics. Sometimes they're just using guns.

One biotic stance that's neutral to the classes that are using biotics shouldn't be too hard to make, though.

[Waltzingbear]

Yeah I remember ME1 having more biotics shown in cutscenes than ME2, but they were normally just the same posture with glowing effects.
It must take a lot more work to create a specific cutscene for each class without it looking too rigid I suppose. At least for Shepard.

Still, I really wish it was implemented.

Modifié par Waltzingbear, 16 juin 2011 - 08:18 .

[nitrog100]

It would be nice. Biotic Shepard should do the hand glow thing instead of pulling out a gun.

[Beerfish]

This brings back a funny incident in one of my ME1 games. I can't remember where the battle was, I think it was Benezia. I think I had myself and Liara as full biotics and Ashley as well. We were flinging around things left right and center when suddenly I get the kill and a cutscene starts immediately but the biotics were still in effect.

As I'm being spoken to Ashley is in the back ground and down comes a crate and bonks her right out of the cutscene, then the cutscene changes cameras and I have another crate right between me and I think it was the asari that was being controlled by mother Rachni.

[JamieCOTC]

Biotics in cutscenes would be nice. Hell, just mentioning them would be a plus.

Kaiden: "I ... killed a man with my biotics."
Shepard: "I know, Kaiden. I was standing right next to you when you did it."
Kaiden: "Oh, yeah. These L2 implants really mess with your head."
Shepard: "Obviously."

[zr0iq]

Yeah, especially frustrating the lack of Shep using Biotics in the fight with Vasir and just falling to the ground... this was so damn stupid.

[chibievil]

well dragon age 2 done it, but they only had 3 classes. This 1 has a zillion classes

[ReallyRue]

zr0iq wrote...

Yeah, especially frustrating the lack of Shep using Biotics in the fight with Vasir and just falling to the ground... this was so damn stupid.

Yeah, that was another thing I noticed in LotSB. When Vasir was trying to repel Shep with biotics, you'd think Shep would have pushed right back with his/her biotics. Obviously they wouldn't be as strong as an asari, but trying makes more sense than not to.

[ReallyRue]

chibievil wrote...

well dragon age 2 done it, but they only had 3 classes. This 1 has a zillion classes

I'm guessing there is some way they could lump adept/vanguard/sentinel together for the biotic one.

[Spectre_907]

ReallyRue wrote...

Yeah, that was another thing I noticed in LotSB. When Vasir was trying to repel Shep with biotics, you'd think Shep would have pushed right back with his/her biotics. Obviously they wouldn't be as strong as an asari, but trying makes more sense than not to.

Actually, Tali compares Kaidan's biotics to the asari saying that they are the only ones that compare to it. Meaning he is roughly on par with an asari commando in terms of biotic abilities. But Shepard spikes higher than Kaidan. That would make Shepard more than a match for an asari.

As for the topic, cutscenes may be harder to do. If they can't do it at least don't make them suck (e.g. Tela Vasir vs. biotic Shepard). However, I think they can throw in a few optional dialogues mentioning Shepard's biotics or tech abilities. The dialogue in ME2 was too generic to me (e.g. Gaby saying the commander is bored if Shepard is an engineer, sentinel, or infiltrator).

Modifié par Spectre_907, 17 juin 2011 - 12:36 .

[Ahglock]

ReallyRue wrote...

zr0iq wrote...

Yeah, especially frustrating the lack of Shep using Biotics in the fight with Vasir and just falling to the ground... this was so damn stupid.

Yeah, that was another thing I noticed in LotSB. When Vasir was trying to repel Shep with biotics, you'd think Shep would have pushed right back with his/her biotics. Obviously they wouldn't be as strong as an asari, but trying makes more sense than not to.

Asari aren't necesarrily more powerful at biotics.  They are genrally better since their melding powers use similar techniques so biotics come naturally to them if they have any real potential.  This isn't to say others can't train really hard and get to be as trained as an asari though.  

And yes I thought it was lame my Adept shepard turfs it when she slows her fall.