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Choices, choices... ME1/2---->ME3, ( can't guarantee spoiler-free )


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tykfa1990

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Hey,
lately I were wondering about some issues. Actually there are many choices along the gameplay of ME1 and ME2, that will have an outcome in ME3 ( that's obvious, no need to troll in here ).

Yet I would like to know Your toughts about the best ossible scenario to enter ME3 with saved game from ME1 and ME2.

Like the outcome of supporting Tali with geth data in ME1, letting the Rachni-Queen free, reprogramming the geth instead of destroying them, saving the council, ordering Mordin to save genophage-cure research data for later use, and plenty of other choices we make. Can't really remember all of those, some were so trivial for me, yet they may be used as a life or death outcome later, don't you think?

Then, tell me, what would be ( in your opinion ) the best possible way to finish ME1/2, to get most powerfull force of allied races/organisations and other usefull things in ME3? :o

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Being renegade or paragon will not affect your ability to win the game. However, if you want the largest alien fleet that's all happy/huggy, then just make a paragon choice for every big decision.

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Full paragon everything.

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i hope i get one of those super futuristic emails from the rachni queen in ME3, just saying hello.

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reprogramming the geth and saving the rachni queen are two choices i'd like to see backfire.

i dont think the geth are gonna be too happy you brainwashed their brothers

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I can't see all the paragon choices being the best thing to do, that would be like saying there's a right and wrong answer (there shouldn't be). Maybe for most choices things are just different. Free the rachni, get some rachni allies but annoys some other allies (maybe the Krogan). Re-write the Heretics and gain Geth trust but lose some Quarian trust. Save the base make Cerberus more powerful at the start but re-take it later so you can use it. There's loads of possibilities without making either choice right or wrong.

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Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I can't see all the paragon choices being the best thing to do, that would be like saying there's a right and wrong answer (there shouldn't be). Maybe for most choices things are just different. Free the rachni, get some rachni allies but annoys some other allies (maybe the Krogan). Re-write the Heretics and gain Geth trust but lose some Quarian trust. Save the base make Cerberus more powerful at the start but re-take it later so you can use it. There's loads of possibilities without making either choice right or wrong.

Well, Renegades will still be able to win but they might not do it by making lots of friends in other races.  I don't think it's a matter of having "right and wrong" choices even if Paragons do end up with more allies.

As you say, they'll be different outcomes.  There may be benefits gained from keeping the Collector base (even if Cerberus become enemies), there could also be benefits from letting Cerberus examine Legion.  Some people will be making a mixture of Paragon and Renegade choices so having some from both sides be "wrong" could completely ruin the game for those who made particular choices.  In the end, you're going to be able to win no matter what choices you made because otherwise it just wouldn't make any sense.

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It is completely ignorant to assume that paragon choices will give you the best 'happy-ending' outcome. Saving the Rachni queen could backfire so easily it isn't even funny. Udina/Anderson could also play a big part, I imagine Udina actually becoming the better choice in ME3. The collector base, saving it might have been the better choice. Who knows what happened to the Illusive Man?

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Vault08 wrote...

It is completely ignorant to assume that paragon choices will give you the best 'happy-ending' outcome. Saving the Rachni queen could backfire so easily it isn't even funny. Udina/Anderson could also play a big part, I imagine Udina actually becoming the better choice in ME3. The collector base, saving it might have been the better choice. Who knows what happened to the Illusive Man?

If by "completely ignorant" you mean "a reasonable assessment of the evidence" then yes.  It's not certain so making the assumption isn't necessarily correct but there's a good chance that's how it will work out so it's not exactly "completely ignorant" either.

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^^ The IM status is unknown but Cerberus confirmed to be indoctrinated so the base honestly does not matter, If you kept it, the reapers can give Cerberus all the tech anyway so they wont gain anything from a Reaper construct. Blowing it up for lolz was probably the way to go. as for the main question:

If you ignore the fact that you can go Pargrade or Renagon and make it the black and white Paragon and Renegade I think it will come down to this.

1. If you saved the council, the main 3 council races will be more willing to combine fleets, leaving their home planets more vulnerable (I believe it was confirmed that the majority of the Alliance was wiped out in minutes). Pavalon, Thessia and the Salarian homeworlds could share the fate of Earth or might be saved. (Sacrificed Humans to save aliens) If you let the council die, Earth is still destroyed and the other races could care less, break off relations with Humans (essentially destroying Citadel Space) and strengthen their own defenses, but get wiped out one by one. It's my belief that saving the council decision was supposed to be chosen (diplomacy over greed people)

2. Saving the Rachni, this one is interesting... Reapers have corrupted them before but now race is starting anew, based on the Asari's message from Illium Shepard has there support and they are a considerable workforce, fleet must exist if they were able to destroy pirates... Yet if Reapers find Queen might become indoctrinated again... perhaps a mission to either find her a safe place in dark space (Reapers would assume that sapient life would only be near Mass Relays) or if she turns to the dark side, kill her and free her children. The possibilities are endless. Paragon decsion might backfire or it could be a saving grace. Who knows...

3. Already talked about the Collector Base, I'm still leaning towards blowing it up (based on E3 info)

4. Genophage data & Wrex. Assuming that Mordin lives and cures it could mean krogan start rapidly multiplying in the years between ME2 and ME3 but since I believe this is only two years what would thousands of 2 year old Krogan be able to do anyway, This seems like more of a treaty thing between currently alive Krogan, Turian, and Salarians. Krogan could probably take on Husks but they are not allowed a fleet so I'm not sure what purpose they would serve in Space. There are still a couple million on Tuchkunka and serval other million scartterd around a united species could be quite an army but since Reapers mainly fight from the air still not sure it's important. Could have dire ramifications in a post Reaper Milky Way though. Krogan Princess info is still to little to speculate on.

5 Geth (rewrite) and Quarian (war/relations). Based on some calculations true Geth have strongest and largest military fleet in Galaxy. Quarians have largest fleet but not all are warships, could possibly outfit them with guns though (Quarians would be great to have on any ships since they have such technical prowess). Anyway starting with decision to go to war, this is flat out the wrong decision in my opinion. I cannot see how this will help the war effort in any possible way so renegades sorry, you failed at this one. What would be better if the species cooperated and combined tech knowledge to develop anti-reaper weapons (Ala the one that killed the derelict Reaper). Geth have shown resistance to Reaper control and only a small fraction helped Sovereign. Possibly Shepard's greatest allies. The rewrite or destroy decision I believe will have little impact on the Geth since Legion was conflicted about it to begin with. (his higher runtimes did pick re-write though) You can not look at the Geth with emotions but with logic, you helped bolster their numbers by re-writing (considered Paragon but in reality both decisions were Rengade). So paragon all the way with these decisions.

6. There are so many decisions to be made in the first two games that who knows? I cannot possibly go through all of them but I tried to go with the bigger ones. Maybe Conrad Verner will turn out to be the hero in ME3 and defeat the Reapers because you went Renegade on his ass and made him tougher? Or saving Sidionis life will show the Turians that humanity can recover from it's mistakes? Its all just speculation...

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I love how renegedes to justify how they played feel its so important that paragons get punished for how they played, its ironic in the extreme considering a renegede isn't supposed to be concerned with anything else other than their own actions.

The simple truth in the simplest terms is that renegedes are much more likely to be punished for their choices than paragons considering how it looks like me3 is shaping up. Build a consensus, gather allies to retake the earth, oops sorry can't do that i pissed everyone off i met and those i didn't i killed.

Spared the rachni, yes well there will be rachni husks to fight but there will also be rachni allies and they'll outnumber the husks, killed the rachni then no allies but would you believe it there were other rachni alive all the time what a bummer, (rember the base where the rachni were attacking the marines, nothing to do with the rachni queen that one but lo and behold there were rachni's all the same).

As for udina being the better choice as Vault put it well seriously if you believe that then you'll believe anything, he screws us in me1, is no better in me2 no matter how you played the end in me1, you really believe all this time he was just waiting for his moment. The problem with that line of thought is that if Udina does indeed have a moment it'll probably be to stab you in the back to save his own hide.

Either way you cut it you'll succeed paragon or reneged the only difference will be who or how many you take along with you and in the end if there's one thing that's been consistent throughout mass effect its that paragon actions means more people alive.

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alperez wrote...

I love how renegedes to justify how they played feel its so important that paragons get punished for how they played, its ironic in the extreme considering a renegede isn't supposed to be concerned with anything else other than their own actions.

The simple truth in the simplest terms is that renegedes are much more likely to be punished for their choices than paragons considering how it looks like me3 is shaping up. Build a consensus, gather allies to retake the earth, oops sorry can't do that i pissed everyone off i met and those i didn't i killed.

Spared the rachni, yes well there will be rachni husks to fight but there will also be rachni allies and they'll outnumber the husks, killed the rachni then no allies but would you believe it there were other rachni alive all the time what a bummer, (rember the base where the rachni were attacking the marines, nothing to do with the rachni queen that one but lo and behold there were rachni's all the same).

As for udina being the better choice as Vault put it well seriously if you believe that then you'll believe anything, he screws us in me1, is no better in me2 no matter how you played the end in me1, you really believe all this time he was just waiting for his moment. The problem with that line of thought is that if Udina does indeed have a moment it'll probably be to stab you in the back to save his own hide.

Either way you cut it you'll succeed paragon or reneged the only difference will be who or how many you take along with you and in the end if there's one thing that's been consistent throughout mass effect its that paragon actions means more people alive.


The rachni 'allies' outnumbering the indoctrinated ones is up for debate. Who knows how many (maybe all?) the reapers have? What if they got the queen? Then the whole race is ****ed and instead of gaining an ally you get a new enemy.

Anderson looks much more keen on fighting on the frontlines and lending a helping hand on Earth. With the entire planet in disarray and the council at a loss for what to do, Anderson can't represent humanity and be partaking in firefights on Earth. As shown in the E3 demo he stays behind. Udina is much more level-headed when it comes to politics, and has more experience. He may not always do the right thing for the right reasons, but he wants the best for humanity. Kind of like the Illusive man, but not in the same way.

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Vault08 wrote...



The rachni 'allies' outnumbering the indoctrinated ones is up for debate. Who knows how many (maybe all?) the reapers have? What if they got the queen? Then the whole race is ****ed and instead of gaining an ally you get a new enemy.

Anderson looks much more keen on fighting on the frontlines and lending a helping hand on Earth. With the entire planet in disarray and the council at a loss for what to do, Anderson can't represent humanity and be partaking in firefights on Earth. As shown in the E3 demo he stays behind. Udina is much more level-headed when it comes to politics, and has more experience. He may not always do the right thing for the right reasons, but he wants the best for humanity. Kind of like the Illusive man, but not in the same way.


Yes you could argue that the allies may not outnumber the indoctrinated rachni and the reapers may have got the queen as you say, i argue different obviously. I'm basing my argument on the fact that there are many indoctrinated husks we know about in me3, Krogan,Asari,Batarian but it doesn't make sense that all of these races or even the majority of them are indoctrinated husks (if it did then we've already lost).

So taking it that the reapers have indoctrinated some of our potential allies but more than likely we still have more of those species on our side than the reapers do, it would also follow the same logic that the rachni would fall into this category. I of course could be wrong, but i'd say the evidence so far is in my favour (the queen said she'd help) rather than (she just dissappeared and said nothing) so i think we'll get more rachni as allies than as enemies.

Udina and Tim both having the best interests of humanity at heart, hmmm well then there now, By the looks of things and with what we know Tim is still in charge of a cerberus thats hunting Shepard (so which of those two do you really think has the best interests of humanity at heart?)

Anderson does by the look of things stay and fight on earth but giving the recon the novels gave he aint the councillor no matter what you did by the time we start me3, so we're stuck with Udina. Someone you say has the best interests of humanity at heart also, well i must have met a different Udina than you did.

He locked down the normandy not because of humanity's best interest considering Shepard was actually serving that by what he was doing but because it might create a politcal backlash against Udina (which considering Shepard was a spectre really makes no sense), He doesn't want Shepard to investigate the dissappearance of human colonies not because it might be happening but because its politically inconvieniant (anderson however doesn't try to stop or dissuade shepard and in fact gets shepard's spectre status reinstated.

Despite any evidence or claim shepard ever makes with or without evidence, Udina always takes the non supporting Shepard role which again is not based on humanities best interest but political convieniance.

Udina cares nothing about humanities best interest but whats best politically for Udina and if after 2 games you've come to a different conclussion then nothing i say will change your mind.

But if you don't think Udina at some point will try to screw with Shepard again, try to stop an action by Shepard or try to do whats best politically or physically for Udina and not humanity (represented as always by Shepard aka you) then your in for a shock.

Modifié par alperez, 16 juin 2011 - 11:17 .


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^^ Since when does TIM have the best interests of Humanity at heart? Human dominance is not in Humanity's best interests. Cooperation is the key for Galactic betterment, I would like to reming people that if was not for Aliens we would have never gone beyond Pluto...

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While being renegade wont affect you beating the Reapers, to get the BEST scenerio be Paragon.

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IMO the absolute "best" possible outcome should be attained from a mix of paragon and renegade decisions (including major ones). Otherwise why even bother allowing choices throughout the game and instead just choose a character type at the beginning?

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Perhaps ME4 (I don't think they are going to make it anyway) could be the fallout from all your decisions in a post-reaper Galaxy. Many paragon decisions could be beneficial at the beginning but have serious consequences later on...

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Yeti13 wrote...

1. If you saved the council, the main 3 council races will be more willing to combine fleets, leaving their home planets more vulnerable (I believe it was confirmed that the majority of the Alliance was wiped out in minutes). Pavalon, Thessia and the Salarian homeworlds could share the fate of Earth or might be saved. (Sacrificed Humans to save aliens) If you let the council die, Earth is still destroyed and the other races could care less, break off relations with Humans (essentially destroying Citadel Space) and strengthen their own defenses, but get wiped out one by one. It's my belief that saving the council decision was supposed to be chosen (diplomacy over greed people) 


Default Shepard I imagine will have doomed humanity. Just looking at all the things he's done, his personality profile, he's like an extremist for terra firma. "We don't need any help, humanity will survive on its own." Then after the time it would of taken to gain allies if he would have been more open-minded, humanity is destroyed, Shepard survives only to be impaled and made into a husk.

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Bioware has stated that Full Paragon or Renegade will have equal chances at "superior" ending lets call it.

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What is this nonsense? Paragon is not the best scenario, Paragon is boring.

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Clonedzero wrote...

reprogramming the geth and saving the rachni queen are two choices i'd like to see backfire.

i dont think the geth are gonna be too happy you brainwashed their brothers

Some ****** comment you got tharrrr.

Bioware stated that if you saved the rachni queen, you get them as allies.
And the geth aren't brothers fool, AI don't view themselves any such way. Even legions Geth were for the recoding of the Heretics. It's not brainwashing, you can't apply a human term on a geth. It"s like terminating your father because he's too old, and newer model let you ride their backs...:innocent:

Modifié par azerSheppard, 17 juin 2011 - 06:50 .


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I dont think there are any right or wrong choices and the more I think about these choices especially the ones made in ME2 the more i think it will work out like dragon age origins where you had to side with one race or another. Example the Krogan likely won't side with you especially if Wrex died and you didn't save the genophage research but if you do save the maybe the Salarians won't help you because they feel its dangerous. If you didn't destroy the Geth will the Quarians help you? I think the Rachni will be helpful in ME3 and I hope that letting them live is not a mistake.

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Hopefully the Rachni queen does not get turned into husk and sends the whole army after me. That's an iffy chose.

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I can see the death of the old Council as beneficial for the Renegades in their own way. It sparks arms race leaving a more militarized galaxy which is perfect for the coming invasion. The Paragon option could have a far easy time with the whole gathering allies but each ally could be weaker due the previous more complacent and stable state of the galaxy. On the other hand, the armies recruited by Renegade Shepard could be  each one stronger or at least more willing to wage war despite being more difficult to unite them. Even so, I expect to see more species exterminated if you chosed the Renegade option in due the lack of unity during the first months of the war. The Renegade option is the survival of the "Imperial" powers.