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[ShadowAussie]

people that still want to be hawke is common its rare for alot of people not to. but but their is still alot of work to be done to expect a really extremely super awesome game. perhapes better than dragon dogma or skyrim. they seem to be challenging bioware

[Sejborg]

I think we will have race options in DA3. I don't think Bioware dares to limit race options for no good reason again.

[WardenWade]

Faerunner wrote...

I wish I shared your optimism, but I agree that it's something worth preserving and even fighting for. I worry about how big the "cons" really are and whether the majority of the devs will find the difficulties worth overcoming or just decide that it's easier to cut them altogether, but hopefully keeping pro-race posts going will keep their consideration from waning. =)

I agree that it's difficult going back to being human after being part of the family and community-centered Alienage, the history and lore-heavy Dalish, the tradition and honour-bound Orzammar, the brutal and desperate Dust Town. Just seeing those places and cultures from the eyes of an elf or a dwarf is so different from that of a human, and I missed it in DA2. =(

(I am considering writing a few things, including an elven protagonist's perspective in DA2. We'll see how that works.)

You're right, only time will tell on this.  I wonder about it as well, and I too would be gutted if we ultimately had no choice in race once again...you touch on the sorts of aspects that make this option close to my heart as well <3  I know it's a possibility and, as you mentioned, we have to wait and see what develops for DA3...

And, good luck to you on your contemplated writing projects, as well 

Modifié par WardenWade, 19 avril 2012 - 12:26 .

[GunMoth]

For the love of god yes. Even if the rest of the game's selling points seem iffy, if they bring back races I will be 100% sold. I enjoy playing fantasy games for escapism. To immerse myself into a fully fleshed out world.

Including different cultures.

[Bizantura]

GunMoth wrote...

For the love of god yes. Even if the rest of the game's selling points seem iffy, if they bring back races I will be 100% sold. I enjoy playing fantasy games for escapism. To immerse myself into a fully fleshed out world.

Including different cultures.

Second that.

[cindercatz]

Faerunner wrote...

WardenWade wrote...

I sincerely hope we will get race options back for DA3 as well.  On the "PAX Questions" thread Mr. Gaider mentioned it was something still under discussion as a possible aspect.  I truly hope so for these same reasons, Faerunner.  The races of Thedas are Thedas, and IMO telling its story means giving them all equal importance and playability within the same game...particularly since there is no indication as yet that our protagonist must be a certain individual, as with Hawke. 

As Mr. Gaider has mentioned, there's a lot that goes into an option like this.  In my opinion race choice is worth it, and I was heartened to see that he appeared to personally support such customization   Hopefully we'll soon hear more on this!

Oh, I hope so too! I saw his response when he replied to your post, and while I'll admit that I don't feel quite as optimistic as you do (since he seemed to imply that the central conflict is more human-centered and so it would be more difficult or less likely to implement different races), I also hope very strongly that it'll pan out. 

If it was just an aesthetic thing, I wouldn't care as much because really, who cares if you're short and stout, thin and pointy-eared, or tall and have horns? But it has a significant culture difference because the different appearances define how others see you, how you see yourself, how you see others and what your place in any given social hierarchy is. Exploring how that affects your character and your perception of the world brings so much more variety to role-playing than just being a human ever could. (I've explored what it's like to be a human noble and mage. I get it. I'm done.)

They seemed to understand this in DAO, but not DA2. Like you, I hope they consider it and implement it.
(... Otherwise I'll just write a DA3 fan fic from the perception of an elven protagonist and not even worry about the game. )

This does a pretty good job of succinctly stating why race selection and multiple origin segments are so important. They color how you see the world, give you a basis for the decisions you make in game, and generally do an amazing job of immersing you into the Dragon Age world and its story, far better than any single POV ever could. Origins are pretty much in or bust for me. They're what make Dragon Age unique, really, what set it apart. And, extremely important, they create real replayability and give me incentive to explore all the options available, where most games with only light character creation (like DA2) just don't. I've got my six Origins worlds I want to continue. DA2 I still haven't managed to finish a second time.

As for the voiced protagonist, so what? If it's economically feasible, by all means, go get three or four actors to play six origins and three races. If not, two actors can still play six origins and three races, only they'd have to be slightly hemmed in. Y'know, you have two versions of City Elves but no Dalish, like one who's from a poor city elf background and came of age in the slums, and another who was captured from a Dalish clan as a kid, or simply sold off by their parents, then grew up an indentured servant serving Orlesian nobility. They both have French/Orlesian accents, so the same actor can play them and most lines wouldn't need multiple recordings, but they have wildly different life experience and look at the world in different ways. The same actor could play Orlesian resident Dwarves, and of course a couple Orlesian humans. There's never a shortage of available perspectives within whatever confines you have, just like there's never a shortage of different perspectives in any real complex society. The different races have no reason to be any stereotypical pitch, either.

A voiced protagonist is no obstacle to race selection or unique playable origin stories. And if you simply cannot afford multiple playable origins, then at least provide multiple origin introductions as a prolonged cutscene or something, with our player designed characters and a few choices to make. I prefer playable all the way, but if cost is a restriction, there are options that still mitigate our losses as players and improve the game tremendously over any single perspective alternative.

Edit: There is one more thing, and that's how your player character is referred to. Honestly, I'd prefer to have multiple names, even multiple predetermined names, so that other characters can finally refer to me by my first name. You just have to cut down on the number of times the player is addressed by name, and then record multiples of every line that does address the pc by name. Y'know, every time I see somebody, they don't automatically blurt my name out over and over. No reason for that to happen in game, either. But my Love Interest could actually refer to me by name, I could be introduced by name in a crowd, etc.

Modifié par cindercatz, 21 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[BomberJR]

I would love to be able to play multiple races, but that doesn't seem likely given the way Bioware is going. Iconic character, iconic voice, iconic armour, iconic swords, iconic jockstraps....

[Traycor]

I know there area lot of reasons not to include race selection, but it doesn't really matter. A fantasy game that doens't allow the option to play fantasy races just feels weak.

[MagmaSaiyan]

i swear, people get stuck with one thing,AND 1 GAME!! most of you think we need it all the freaking time, you get a taste and never get it out of your mouths, but hey, id be lying if i didnt want it back to, but its something that i personally could live without, Bioware will decide to have origins/races again when the time is right, but not in DA3

[BomberJR]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

i swear, people get stuck with one thing,AND 1 GAME!! most of you think we need it all the freaking time, you get a taste and never get it out of your mouths, but hey, id be lying if i didnt want it back to, but its something that i personally could live without, Bioware will decide to have origins/races again when the time is right, but not in DA3

We are stuck because it worked VERY well. Game 1 of trilogy, set play style, mood, etc. Game 2 & 3 expand upon the success of #1.  It feels like so many of the things that were done well in DAO were just tossed aside for no good reason at all.

[cindercatz]

Exactly. That's what Dragon Age is all about. If you abandon that, then why bother? You can get everything else from other games, other media. Being able to experience the story from different perspectives with different values is the soul of the franchise. You kill that, you get something like DA2, a mostly lifeless imitator whose bases are pretty well covered elsewhere. The only saving graces were BioWare's usually strong characters, dialogue, and and voice acting. But none of those things are unique to DA.

[WardenWade]

I agree. Bioware has created a world full of many races and peoples, and IMO they deserve to all be represented to the fullest. To potentially suggest that the only perspective that truly matters is that of a human denigrates the work the devs have put into all the races and their lore. Furthermore, making future games revolve only around one race at a time--whether elf, human, dwarf or kossith--just perpetuates this for each respective race. Current events in Thedas involve everyone, and IMO the best way to show that is to allow gamers the freedom to choose within a single game how to witness them.  As it stands, however, it appears that the race option is still under discussion, and has not been nixed.

Additionally on this point, I worry that creating a game where there was only the option to play as a single race, whatever it was, would--when the time came for the "dwarf" or "elf" game, for example--cause Bioware to dismiss the idea in light of the telemetry data they gathered (which after several years may very well no longer be as "representative" given the popularity of non-human characters like Varric, Fenris or Merrill, the lack of ability some gamers may have had to send race data when they bought Origins, and so on...).

To paraphrase Zevran, the developers gave us these races...do you think they did it just for looks?

Modifié par WardenWade, 22 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[TheShadowWolf911]

it's hard for me to immerse myself in a human character with other races running around, heck, even in Origins i looked at Sten and asked "Why can't i be one of these guys?" in DA2, i was all like "yep, im the Hero of kirkwall..........woohoo........oh look Qunari!"

my point is, i find immersion hard when i am limited, especially if the previous game gave me the same options.

[Karlone123]

It gives it more replay value and more freedom to the player over customisation, but with the new player being voiced (which I really like) can be tricky choosing suitable voice actors to voice the main protagonist. It's a lot more easier for the developers to go with adding only one race which will be human because I think overall majority prefer to be human like I would or I might be wrong if it were put to a vote.

So do I think they will add it? No, because it will take a lot of time and work to sort it all the script writing and casting voice actors. I think realistically they might combine origin background stories with the player's class, e.g. warrior is a knight in service of empress Celine or the rogue is a couries and the mage could be a personal advisor of the empress.

[Fast Jimmy]

If no races, then give us origins. If no origins, give us class-dependent stories and quests. If no class dependent content, you've given us DA2 again.

[Huntress]

I ma willing to hang around for a while, waiting for an answer to this same question, if is only humans again am done with this place, why stop hawke then wasn't human enough? bah.. put your acts together Bioware and just answer if DA3 has different origins/races so i can finally leave for good.

[Felya87]

The multiple races are one of my mayor point about buy or no DA3.

DA background is all about Human as the strongest race. Is just boring!

[deserk]

Mhm. I want origin stories back. I don't want to play a forced specific character like Hawke. Want to feel that it's my own character, and that there's possibilities for other types of characters.

[Morogrem]

 considering you, again play a new character in this one its possible, though it could prove difficult for them to do voice acting for each separate race, which theyve already said that 3 will again be fully voice acted (including your character)

[Brohammed]

Honestly VAing the protagonist at the expense of the game is such a stupid mistake it is almost inconceivable for anyone not to see this.

If the races are out the series is even more dead then it already is.