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[Marvin the Paranoid Android]

I mean serously theres a gun in ME2 that creates a black hole why cant we just make that on a larger scale?

[FlyingWalrus]

How much eezo would it take?

Yeah.

[Minty-Fresh]

It would destroy everything else in its path.

I fully understand your thought process, but the Reapers land on planets, they are not Death Stars wandering through space bombarding planets from dark space. They are in our galaxy

So, if the races of the galaxy create a black hole big enough to consume the Reapers, it would consume our galaxy aswell.

[Nashiktal]

Its the gamestop preorder weapon, the blackstorm singularity projector. It doesn't shoot actual black holes, it just makes a pretty damn powerful singularity. What it does is cause matter to to be caught within a mass increasing field, and elevates said matter to increase to near infinite mass. Enemies are then brought toward the singularity, and are ripped apart. Afterwards the field destabilizes and explodes.

At least thats what the description says. Besides messing with blackholes is stupid, especially since little is understood about them. Can't just go tossing blackholes around willy nilly.

[Nashiktal]

Minty-Fresh wrote...

It would destroy everything else in its path.

I fully understand your thought process, but the Reapers land on planets, they are not Death Stars wandering through space bombarding planets from dark space. They are in our galaxy

So, if the races of the galaxy create a black hole big enough to consume the Reapers, it would consume our galaxy aswell.

Eh not quite. Pretty much every galaxy has a Supermassive black hole in its core. The problem isn't the size of the blackhole, but the placement. You don't want barely traceable, destructive of horrific magnitudes to go through our galaxy willy nilly of course, but it wouldn't destroy said galaxy. 

[88mphSlayer]

*insert your mom joke here*

[shnizzler93]

Because we can't. Well, at least any smart person/alien wouldn't

[Bogsnot1]

If the Normandy can withstand the pull of a supermassive black hole that resides at the galactic core, something like a Reaper would borrow a line from teh Turian councillor, and dismiss the black hole from existance.

[Anihilus]

You don't mess around with black holes. The sheer gravitational force of one is enough to suck in an entire solar system. If theres a weapon that creates more all together they will suck in the entire galaxy at the least

[KainrycKarr]

the ME franchise treats black holes very unrealistically.

If the singularity's that adepts create were actual black holes, they would just expand and expand until every bit of mass around it has been consumed.

[1136342t54_]

Well since it takes many **** loads of energy to create large enough black hole to swallow a fleet of ships.

[Nashiktal]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

If the Normandy can withstand the pull of a supermassive black hole that resides at the galactic core, something like a Reaper would borrow a line from teh Turian councillor, and dismiss the black hole from existance.

The Normandy was within the collectors ME field during the time. Plus just because you are in the core, does not mean you are in the direct center of the galaxy mate.

[Dave666]

I've already speculated that if we could lure the Reapers to the Citadel then we could do just that.

The Citadel is an enormous Mass Relay, powerful enough to reach Dark Space so its Element Zero Core must be gigantic. So what would happen if we jury-rigged it so that we increased the Mass of the Citadel a million fold?

[OdanUrr]

Well, if you find a way to convince them all to gather in some isolated place in the galaxy with a star about to go nova, and if you can control/predict when exactly the star will go nova, then you have solved the puzzle of how to defeat the Reapers.

Mind you, when you rescue Tali on Haestrom she spouts something about dark energy accelerating the aging process of Haestrom's sun. This could be an early (or not) attempt at artificially manipulating stars. It would be strange if the geth were behind this, considering their natural enemies, the quarians, live aboard ships, thereby turning a system's star into a nova would serve little purpose.

Something about black holes... you needn't "make" them big, you know. Once you get too close to the event horizon it's game over, no matter how powerful your mass effect fields may be.

Anihilus wrote...

You don't mess around with black holes. The sheer gravitational force of one is enough to suck in an entire solar system. If theres a weapon that creates more all together they will suck in the entire galaxy at the least

Sorry, I still feel I need to address this. There are several black holes in our galaxy and, as far as I know, we're still around.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 17 juin 2011 - 04:17 .

[Minty-Fresh]

Nashiktal wrote...

Minty-Fresh wrote...

It would destroy everything else in its path.

I fully understand your thought process, but the Reapers land on planets, they are not Death Stars wandering through space bombarding planets from dark space. They are in our galaxy

So, if the races of the galaxy create a black hole big enough to consume the Reapers, it would consume our galaxy aswell.

Eh not quite. Pretty much every galaxy has a Supermassive black hole in its core. The problem isn't the size of the blackhole, but the placement. You don't want barely traceable, destructive of horrific magnitudes to go through our galaxy willy nilly of course, but it wouldn't destroy said galaxy. 

You hear that?

its the sound of me getting my *** handed to me.

Your alright Nashiktal......

[Destr1er]

They probably have enough Eezo to collectively thwart any singularity that the Citadel races could create.

[Spectre_907]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

How much eezo would it take?

Yeah.

This.

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

One thing to consider, if this was an option, it be Arrival all over again, wherever you decide to set it loose, you are basically condemning that system for destruction.

[Bluko]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

How much eezo would it take?

Yeah.

Well why else do you think there'll be planet scanning in ME3? Oh yes there will be scanning...


Anderson:"Shepard! Scan 3,000,000 units of Eezo so we can build a massive singularity gun! Then defend Burger Town!"


(On the other hand we could just crash large asteroids into the Relays and kill all the Reapers via Supernova-esque explosions. I might forgive Arrival if this is the actual tactic we use to beat the Reapers. Big ass explosions solve all plot problems! Huzzah!)

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

Personally i think that we will find the weapon that carved that "one" planet up.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Marvin the Paranoid Android wrote...

I mean serously theres a gun in ME2 that creates a black hole why cant we just make that on a larger scale?

Physics.

Do you know how much energy/mass it takes to artificially create mini-black holes?  Don't even worry about the fact that they collapse and dissipate due to their instability milliseconds after they form anyway.

To my knowledge, how supermassive black holes even formed is still a scientific mystery.  Even in the ME universe, I guarantee you that the creation of supermassive black holes is still far outside the understanding of even the brightest scientists.

[Minty-Fresh]

E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox wrote...

Personally i think that we will find the weapon that carved that "one" planet up.

I don't know, but they are putting alot of focus on recruiting te entire galaxy, I dont think well find the Hammer of Dawn or some other superweapon, I think it will just be an all out war.

[OdanUrr]

Whether it is a black hole, a virus, HALO rings, or Centerpoint Station, there must be more to it than just "gather allies to fight the Reapers." Why? It took dozens, maybe more, of ships to take down Sovereign. That was only one Reaper, and he was also overconfident to boot. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of Reapers out there. Oh, easy, let's do the math: at 50 (I'm feeling generous) cruisers per Reaper, say there are 1000 Reapers, you'd need 50000 cruisers. Easy, right? Wrong.

If the Reapers have anything resembling a sound strategy (I'd be disappointed if they haven't, considering they've been doing the same thing over and over again for milennia) they'll just divide and conquer. Turians will want to defend their worlds, same with every other race in the galaxy. Even if you somehow manage to organise them all in time resembling WWII's SACEUR/SACPAC, you're still going to need an ace up your sleeve. A "divide and conquer" strategy can take a long time and, IF you're supposed to defeat the Reapers in ME3, you'll eventually have to find a way to lure them all (or most of them) into a trap and take them out. Somehow, I don't foresee an all out final fleets battle.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 17 juin 2011 - 04:44 .

[Minty-Fresh]

OdanUrr wrote...

Whether it is a black hole, a virus, HALO rings, or Centerpoint Station, there must be more to it than just "gather allies to fight the Reapers." Why? It took dozens, maybe more, of ships to take down Sovereign. That was only one Reaper, and he was also overconfident to boot. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of Reapers out there. Oh, easy, let's do the math: at 50 (I'm feeling generous) cruisers per Reaper, say there are 1000 Reapers, you'd need 50000 cruisers. Easy, right? Wrong.

If the Reapers have anything resembling a sound strategy (I'd be disappointed if they haven't, considering they've been doing the same thing over and over again for milennia) they'll just divide and conquer. Turians will want to defend their worlds, same with every other race in the galaxy. Even if you somehow manage to organise them all in time resembling WWII's SACEUR/SACPAC, you're still going to need an ace up your sleeve. A "divide and conquer" strategy can take a long time and, IF you're supposed to defeat the Reapers in ME3, you'll eventually have to find a way to lure them all (or most of them) into a trap and take them out. Somehow, I don't foresee an all out final fleets battle.

Shepard can do anything she pleases.

While I do agree it seems unlikely, maybe something to do with the mass relays?